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Ironhead 5

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(1) Ironhide G1 has a history of making extremely poor decisions in Resistance games, without soliciting advice or even waiting for people to counsel him on the best way to play. He is like the Leeroy Jenkins of this game.
(2) And in all those games, he always turns out to be Resistance -- defying the odds somehow, both in his ability to draw a Resistance role and in his ability to hand the game to the Spies.
(3) In this game, Ironhide professes his noobishness and solicits advice.
(4) He then proceeds to put JermanTK on a team anyway.

I conclude that Ironhide G1 is a Spy.

REJECT
 

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Why do people always assume I'm a spy.

I trust this team, the only way we can fail is if you are a spy, which I hope isn't the case.

Approve

In answer to your first question, because you rejected two teams (MC-Ironhead-Ironhide, Ironhead-Audren-Aedan) on mission set 1 for little to no reason (your "newb senses" for MC's mission, no reason for Ironhead's mission, and then approved a team with 1 only other member on it (Falc-Aedan-Ironhead), proposed by someone who didn't put himself on the team, for little to no reason. Since Health was the proposer, and Falc was the extra man on the team, that would seem to indicate that you know either Health or Falc was a spy. Also, why exactly are you suspicious of Ironhead? What has he done (relative to the rest of us, anyway) that would make him particularly suspicious? His play with the In the Spotlight card (in the light blue type, hoping to catch Aedan off guard) seemed clever to me, actually, and makes me more likely to believe him than otherwise.

In answer to your second statement: From your standpoint, Ironhide could be a spy, and might very well have lied about me (making us both spies), or even told the truth about me to make me trust him so I would support future missions with him on it. (Even I am worried about the latter possibility; however, his voting record suggests that he is a villager, albeit a fairly selfish one who will only approve a team if he is on it.) The In the Spotlight card is publicly played, so I doubt Ironhead would lie about that card, as the rulebook says that the card would normally be played publicly. Still, Aedan could very possibly be a spy who held a sabotage order if there were another spy on the mission, which I find plausible, as madchemist tripped my radar early and Audren is by no means cleared. Granted, I don't find aedan being a spy particularly likely (his claim early game about being resistance and the resistance "having a chance" seems oddly in character for him), but plausible.

From my standpoint, I'm not quite as sure as others seem to be that you're a spy, as you are fairly new to this game. But I see little reason to mistrust Ironhead - both madchemist and Luft strike me as far more suspicious possible rejects on turn 1, as madchemist has been on both failed teams (which you rightly called out, his handwaving to the contrary) and Luft proposed the mission that ended in turn 1 failure. And your odd vote patterns on day 1 make me not want you on this team.

Ironhide, I really, really wish you had made Ironhead the 4th member of the team instead of Jerman. Even if my mission is approved, madchemist gets the cards next round, and I am still leery of him. Your proposal isn't the worst possible team, but I'm next proposer, I trust my teambuilding skills, and I am going to...

REJECT

Also, the next person who claims that they are stupid as an excuse for any bad votes/proposals will get first-day hunted/lynched/auto-rejected in any future WW/Resistance games, just to make a point. Stupid people don't come and play these kinds of games. Yes, there is a learning curve, but no, you are not idiots. And it really, really bugs me that people use supposed stupidity as an excuse for bad analysis. [end rant]
 

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Also, the next person who claims that they are stupid as an excuse for any bad votes/proposals will get first-day hunted/lynched/auto-rejected in any future WW/Resistance games, just to make a point. Stupid people don't come and play these kinds of games. Yes, there is a learning curve, but no, you are not idiots. And it really, really bugs me that people use supposed stupidity as an excuse for bad analysis. [end rant]

Since when did I do that?
 

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REJECT

The path to victory is not paved with Jerman.
 

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LEEROY JENKINS!
And won't you guys be surprised when it turns out I'm Resistance again!
 

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And won't you guys be surprised when it turns out I'm Resistance again!
Stop this, it doesn't help you at all. Rather than whining and repeating this same dribble over and over, you should improve yourself. For example, this team is being rejected, and some are doubting your allegiance, because you put Jerman on this team without any explanation. And rather than explain why you did that, you're giving up and defaulting to this retarded "I told you so" line of thinking.

You don't get to say "I told you so" because you screw over your own side by playing too poorly to be trusted.

For the record, I do think you're resistance this game, but I can't stand this endless whining you do in place of actual contribution.
 

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Stop this, it doesn't help you at all. Rather than whining and repeating this same dribble over and over, you should improve yourself. For example, this team is being rejected, and some are doubting your allegiance, because you put Jerman on this team without any explanation. And rather than explain why you did that, you're giving up and defaulting to this retarded "I told you so" line of thinking.

You don't get to say "I told you so" because you screw over your own side by playing too poorly to be trusted.

For the record, I do think you're resistance this game, but I can't stand this endless whining you do in place of actual contribution.
seconded on all counts
 

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Even though Stalingrad is paved with the bodies of Jermans at this point our victory doesn't seem to lie there at this point. I don't have much to add.

REJECT
 

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Ironhide's proposal of himself, Jerman, Ironhead, and Aedan is rejected 2-8

Approved: IG, Jerman

Rejected: IH, Aedan, MC, DBW, Falc, Health, Luftwafer, Audren

@deathbywombat, you propose the next mission
 

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Alright, I am putting myself on the team, obviously. I dislike Ironhide's team choice immensely (more specifically, his team choice of Jerman, the rest were fine), but what he seems to have done is waited for a bit of input, got it from 3 people (myself/aedan/Jerman), and tried to do a compromise of the 3 choices he heard. Foolish, but I'm still going to trust that he is a bumbling resistance player.

That leaves two more. Of the remaining players, I trust Aedan and Ironhead the most, for reasons I have already articulated (see below). So I am going with them.

You and I have to be on it, obviously. Aedan I'm inclined to agree should be on the team as well, as it would have been hard to coordinate a sabotage with that card being played on Aedan when Audren proposed the team, (especially with Ironhead trying to hide it in plain sight - clever). The way Ironhead played that card makes me want to trust Ironhead as well.

Ironhide could be a spy, and might very well have lied about me (making us both spies), or even told the truth about me to make me trust him so I would support future missions with him on it. (Even I am worried about the latter possibility; however, his voting record suggests that he is a villager, albeit a fairly selfish one who will only approve a team if he is on it.) The In the Spotlight card is publicly played, so I doubt Ironhead would lie about that card, as the rulebook says that the card would normally be played publicly. Still, Aedan could very possibly be a spy who held a sabotage order if there were another spy on the mission, which I find plausible, as madchemist tripped my radar early and Audren is by no means cleared. Granted, I don't find aedan being a spy particularly likely (his claim early game about being resistance and the resistance "having a chance" seems oddly in character for him), but plausible.

But I see little reason to mistrust Ironhead - both madchemist and Luft strike me as far more suspicious possible rejects on turn 1, as madchemist has been on both failed teams and Luft proposed the mission that ended in turn 1 failure.

Team proposal:

DeathbyWombat
IronhideG1
Aedan777
Ironhead5


APPROVE

More thoughts on the remaining 6 players in a bit.
 

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Approve

I think this is the best team going off the information we have.
 

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APPROVE, and...
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Falc strikes me as a likely spy, as he is basically telling the new players how suspicious they are playing without giving much actual analysis this game, which is both true and incredibly useless for the purposes of helping the resistance.