There, there, marty. If it's any consolation, with only 3 or so exceptions, the only times I'm ever in a WW JL is if I hold a major role.
EDIT: And wait a minute; you did get a card. Remember, you JUST played it.
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There, there, marty. If it's any consolation, with only 3 or so exceptions, the only times I'm ever in a WW JL is if I hold a major role.
EDIT: And wait a minute; you did get a card. Remember, you JUST played it.
Well, Arkasas didn't sabotage, and I didn't (although you don't know that, I admit.) so we should use the cards on Cliges and Aedan, which would mean giving the cards to Alexu, Panzer, or Falc, if you wanted to switch the two I mentioned out. If aedan doesn't give at least one to Alxeu, though, so he can be scanned, then I might be inclined to think he's a spy. I think giving the cards to Alexu and Panzer will yield the most information, however, of all these.
I would rather the cards be given to me and Cliges. Chains, people. I don't have the time to explain it but chains are really important here. Also, Aedan, care to explain why you used your SL now?
I have the card stealing card. Maybe he's afraid that he'd lose it if he didn't use it. While I wasn't going to take the card anyhow, I now have to wonder why he was fearful of not getting to be leader again so quickly.
Primarily due to paranoia. Perhaps an overreaction, but I trust myself more than any other player. And yes, chains would be good, more useful than separate distribution. A you, Cliges myself chain would give good information, but I'm wary about it since you proposed it. I'm tempted to try a Falc-Alphabet-You chain instead. I'll wait to propose the team until those have been resolved.
So thoughts? Panzer-Cliges-Me, or Falc-Alphabet-Panzer?
It wasn't Arkasas, so there's a Spy among Asd/Cliges/Aedan
Aedan using his SL at that point looks very suspicious.
Arkasas is already vouching for Cliges, remember!
Aedan using his SL at that point looks very suspicious.
Arkasas is already vouching for Cliges, remember!
So one to Cliges to have him check Aedan
And one to me or marty to check Arkasas? But we know he didn't sabotage, so...
Better to give the second to me or Panzer to check Asd?
And one to me or marty to check Arkasas? But we know he didn't sabotage, so...
Better to give the second to me or Panzer to check Asd?
Let me check Cliges, and Cliges check Aedan.
If Cliges is a spy, then great! We know Arkasas must also be, and we've won this.
If he's not, then we can trust his Intel on Aedan and so know whether it was him or Asdf that sabotaged.
If Cliges is a spy, then great! We know Arkasas must also be, and we've won this.
If he's not, then we can trust his Intel on Aedan and so know whether it was him or Asdf that sabotaged.
Well if we have panzer check Cliges, then the only way Cliges could be a spy is if panzer and Arkasas are as well. If he is and then checks me, then I will be 100% cleared, meaning we have a core around which to make any future teams. of course, that's assuming both of them are resistance. Since panzer suggested it, I worry that he may be planning something and is a spy.
Technically speaking, the cards need to be handed out and immediately resolved, one at a time.
So we can use one and then wait to see the result before handing out the second.
Also, what cards are left in the deck?
So we can use one and then wait to see the result before handing out the second.
Also, what cards are left in the deck?
I'm gonna go along with the idea of having Panzer first check Cliges.
If he says he's good, then Cliges can check Aedan.
If Cliges says Aedan is good, we can be 99% certain it's Asd that sabotaged. The only other option would be that Cliges, Arkasas and Panzer are the baddies.
If Panzer says Cliges is bad, then either Cliges and Ark are bad, or Panzer is lying.
If Panzer is lying, then we know either Aedan or Asd sabotaged. Checking Panzer is tricky, though, since if we ask Cliges to do it, he'll have to say Panzer is bad, and if we ask Asd, well, they may be spymates.
So if Panzer says Cliges is bad, we'd best check Arkasas.
And I missed one option: Panzer says Cliges is good but he's lying. Meaning they're spymates. That would require checking Panzer, through Asd.
Sooo...
Panzer => Cliges
If GOOD:
Asd => Panzer
OR
Cliges => Aedan
If BAD:
Marty/Me => Arkasas
If he says he's good, then Cliges can check Aedan.
If Cliges says Aedan is good, we can be 99% certain it's Asd that sabotaged. The only other option would be that Cliges, Arkasas and Panzer are the baddies.
If Panzer says Cliges is bad, then either Cliges and Ark are bad, or Panzer is lying.
If Panzer is lying, then we know either Aedan or Asd sabotaged. Checking Panzer is tricky, though, since if we ask Cliges to do it, he'll have to say Panzer is bad, and if we ask Asd, well, they may be spymates.
So if Panzer says Cliges is bad, we'd best check Arkasas.
And I missed one option: Panzer says Cliges is good but he's lying. Meaning they're spymates. That would require checking Panzer, through Asd.
Sooo...
Panzer => Cliges
If GOOD:
Asd => Panzer
OR
Cliges => Aedan
If BAD:
Marty/Me => Arkasas
I like this approach, but I'd rather have it be me checking Panzer than Cliges checking Aedan if Cliges is good.
I don't like the idea of agreeing with anything Falc proposes because his behaviour has been classic spy, but it seems to be too late for me to make my case. We could end up losing it here, but oh well.
It's a matter of probabilities and choices going forward.
If Panzer says Cliges is good, then we have two people vouching for Cliges. If we assume we didn't end up picking the three Spies, then we need to decide in what direction we lengthen the chain.
Checking either Panzer or maybe Arkasas is nice since it may get us two known goodies (and it would prove whether or not it's Panzer-Ark-Cliges).
Having Cliges check Aedan is perhaps better, because like I said, if Aedan is shown to be good, then we also get two known goodies AND by deduction we know that YOU Asd had to have sabotaged the mission.
So yeah, I fully understand why you don't want Cliges checking Aedan.