While that is normally a good idea, Dexander doesn't seem clever enough to go for something complicated like that. I mean, he's the most likely spy in everyone's book without even being on a team, and got there before proposing a team. So I think he proposed that team with a spymate on it, which I can only assume would be happycats, since madchemist is becoming increasingly unlikely due to arkasas' actions, and I know I'm resistance. Which is why I don't like this team, but we have no choice in the matter. I kind of wish last team had passed, but we'd be in the same situation, and I'd be a perfect scapegoat. Here at least it's pretty likely if it's sabotaged that happycats is the spy from it. May be getting ahead of myself here though.
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While that is normally a good idea, Dexander doesn't seem clever enough to go for something complicated like that. I mean, he's the most likely spy in everyone's book without even being on a team, and got there before proposing a team. So I think he proposed that team with a spymate on it, which I can only assume would be happycats, since madchemist is becoming increasingly unlikely due to arkasas' actions, and I know I'm resistance. Which is why I don't like this team, but we have no choice in the matter. I kind of wish last team had passed, but we'd be in the same situation, and I'd be a perfect scapegoat. Here at least it's pretty likely if it's sabotaged that happycats is the spy from it. May be getting ahead of myself here though.
Possible. HC *does* have a 66% chance of being a spy judging by raw mission results, but that's discarding the Dex thing and I think I trust him over Rovs(whose silence is worrisome)
Yeah, sorry about being quiet. I also have to read through Werewolf and other forum Game threads, and this one is further down the list than them, so it gets read later.
Anyways, assuming MC and Tamius are resistance, then supporting HC would be like saying that I think PC and alxeu are spies. Alternatively, tami and MC are more likely to be spies than not. Of course, this is the last mission, so I will support it, but I find this mission interesting. I would say, that from Happycats perspective, if he's resistance, this proposal makes the most sense.
Approve
Anyways, assuming MC and Tamius are resistance, then supporting HC would be like saying that I think PC and alxeu are spies. Alternatively, tami and MC are more likely to be spies than not. Of course, this is the last mission, so I will support it, but I find this mission interesting. I would say, that from Happycats perspective, if he's resistance, this proposal makes the most sense.
Approve
Proposal is approved 8-0
Approve: all
Reject: none
The Mission was SUCCESSFUL
For the rest of the game, happycats517's vote will count double
Panzer Commader is next Leader
Approve: all
Reject: none
The Mission was SUCCESSFUL
For the rest of the game, happycats517's vote will count double
Panzer Commader is next Leader
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Sorry, PC and whoever the other person is. Oh yeah, Dexander. Welp, it's really between which of PC and HC I think are spies, then, since I figure Dex for a spy.
Awesome!
*Still mildly paranoid that HC could be a spy who supported to look good and get the double vote*
Delta should definitely be next, I agree.
*Still mildly paranoid that HC could be a spy who supported to look good and get the double vote*
Delta should definitely be next, I agree.
If we assume the team was clear, which I think it was, and that Dex is a spy, which is fairly obvious, there are only four teams left. Dex + (Panzer/Rovsea) + (Ark/aedan).
If last mission's team is on this one, and it should be in its entirety, whether the mission succeeds tells us almost as much as the reward for a success does.
If last mission's team is on this one, and it should be in its entirety, whether the mission succeeds tells us almost as much as the reward for a success does.
Obvious choice here:
Mission type: Delta
Propose team:
Panzer
HC
Madchemist
Tamius
(Last team + myself. Almost guaranteed to succeed and after that, and with Alpha still up, should be an assured win!)
Mission type: Delta
Propose team:
Panzer
HC
Madchemist
Tamius
(Last team + myself. Almost guaranteed to succeed and after that, and with Alpha still up, should be an assured win!)
If this mission succeeds, the game is already over. The spies can't let this team succeed, as the next mission would be alpha, a virtually guaranteed success.
I don't really any more. But I'm coming around on aedan being more trustworthy than Arkasas, especially with Arky seeming so sure that aedan was resistance in that one post of his. I want this last team + aedan.
Although... that would mean Dex's team was perfect. Would he do that as a spy? Or is he actually Resistance?
Your choice of mission is a favorable sign for you, though you probably didn't have much choice in the matter.
Reject I'm not on it, and I'm starting to trust HC. Honestly, if PC is a spy, he proposed this, and he expects it to be approved, then I have no idea what he's doing.
We don't know... But it wouldn't matter if you approved my team!
I'm still not. I think you are, though.
Actually, I'm very interested to see how this one turns out. I just might change to approve later on. Right now, I'm pretty certain that Dex is a spy. That leaves you and HC as possible spies. If you are a spy, you propose a team that just succeeded, and then you reject this team... then that would be fairly damning evidence against you. Which would make HC the spy, who chose not to sabotage last mission to get his double vote, knowing that a hard mission is coming up later on. Then, HC could frame you by using the logic I just displayed when this mission gets sabotaged. We have passed one mission, so I suppose it's possible that this mission will not be sabotaged, as that would, I think, fairly conclusively make me not a spy. Honestly, I can't tell which of you is a spy. But there is a spy on the mission. It's impossible for there not to be. I can't follow all the logic chains, and I don't know resistance or PC's playstyle well enough to feel like taking a risk and putting us in a bad spot with one of the two harder missions coming up.
I think I'll keep my rejection in place.
He proposed the only mission that makes sense from his perspective. Other things equal, you assume that a successful team is good, and he "knows he's resistance" (may or may not be true, obviously), so he's the most logical addition. Nothing weird here.
Well, it kind of does matter, because there's a very real chance that your team is not good, which would be a problem.
See, right now, I still can't decide between you two. And I'm not even 100% on Dex being a spy or Happycats being Resistance (though I'm assuming the latter unless and until a mission he's on gets sabotaged). Which is why I really just want to punt on this whole thing and try my luck with aedan over Arky.
Well Madchemist coming around to trusting me over Arkasas is a good sign. I don't know which of Panzer and Rovsea is a spy, so if the alternative is putting me on a team, then I certainly prefer that, since I know I can trust myself.
Reject
Reject
Not sure if I love this mission choice here. I'd have preferred it if we picked Alpha with a team of the first mission team + one of the four non-team members (obviously I'd prefer myself here). Since we know the first mission only has one spy if that mission fails then we know the second spy was the non-team member placed on the team (which I think would be valuable info since we could then look at who they were sticking up for/who stuck up for them.) and if it passes then we have two passed missions. Now if this mission fails then we have to choose right on Alpha no matter what.
Since I think I explained that poorly here are the scenarios I see:
Scenario 1:
Gamma FAILED
Epsilon PASSED
Delta PASSED
Alpha PASSED
Best scenario with our current situation.
G FAILED
E PASSED
D FAILED
A FAILED
We lose
G FAILED
E PASSED
D FAILED
A PASSED
Now we need to get beta right without being completely sure about any of the spies.
Now with Alpha first
G F
E P
A F
We now know a spy and have created three groups. The spy, the players not on mission team 1 or 3 (3 players w/ 1 spy), and mission team 1 (4 players 1 spy). This of course assumes the team was MC, Tam, Ark, Aedan, (A group that we know can only contain one spy) and one other player. I think this gives us a much better chance at choosing the right teams from here on out.
G F
E P
A P
Now we need to get Delta to pass and we are in a similar position as the first situation with choosing Delta first, except we just frontloaded the "easy" mission.
I think choosing Alpha first would have put us in a better situation, giving us more favorable outcomes than Delta does. My opinion as a noob at least.
Also, Reject
I'm hesitantly willing to trust the other members on my mission, and I obviously trust myself, but I'm not sure if I can trust Panzer. I'd rather see what some of the other leaders propose.
Since I think I explained that poorly here are the scenarios I see:
Scenario 1:
Gamma FAILED
Epsilon PASSED
Delta PASSED
Alpha PASSED
Best scenario with our current situation.
G FAILED
E PASSED
D FAILED
A FAILED
We lose
G FAILED
E PASSED
D FAILED
A PASSED
Now we need to get beta right without being completely sure about any of the spies.
Now with Alpha first
G F
E P
A F
We now know a spy and have created three groups. The spy, the players not on mission team 1 or 3 (3 players w/ 1 spy), and mission team 1 (4 players 1 spy). This of course assumes the team was MC, Tam, Ark, Aedan, (A group that we know can only contain one spy) and one other player. I think this gives us a much better chance at choosing the right teams from here on out.
G F
E P
A P
Now we need to get Delta to pass and we are in a similar position as the first situation with choosing Delta first, except we just frontloaded the "easy" mission.
I think choosing Alpha first would have put us in a better situation, giving us more favorable outcomes than Delta does. My opinion as a noob at least.
Also, Reject
I'm hesitantly willing to trust the other members on my mission, and I obviously trust myself, but I'm not sure if I can trust Panzer. I'd rather see what some of the other leaders propose.