Sure, your suggestion sounds much more interesting and plausible/realistic at the same time. I can get on board with that.
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The Republicans in Spain were not Communist
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Indeed, thats what I realised when I wrote "democratic socialist".
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Perhaps the reason the Devs made Republican Spain communist is simply to help the AI follow the historical path. Historically Soviet Union offered more support than most democracies. Likelly AI is programmed to want to support countries following the same ideology. So If Republican Spain was represented as a democracy Soviet AI might not move a finger to help them and you might see democracies that historically remained mostly neutral (like UK or United States) helping them instead.
Hopefully there will be a DLC/patch focused on the Spanish civil war that will be able to represent the complexity of Republican Spain and offer different outcomes depending on the relatives contribution of democracies and Soviet Union to Republican Spain war effort.
Hopefully there will be a DLC/patch focused on the Spanish civil war that will be able to represent the complexity of Republican Spain and offer different outcomes depending on the relatives contribution of democracies and Soviet Union to Republican Spain war effort.
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The Devs could also just add a "Support Spanish Republicans" to the Soviet focus tree, which should've already been there as historically the Soviet support for the Republicans was significant.
For instance, France's focus trees have a "Nationalist Intervention" and "Republican Intervention" and Italy's focus tree has a "Support Nationalist Spain". I'm sure they could put one somewhere in the Soviet tree.
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so much this. i'd even love to see the SCW go cold with the end of WWII and have spain wind up split like germany, korea, vietnam, and yemen.
You do realize that you can make the exact same argument for Nationalist Spain as non-fascist, right? Both terms are there as game simplifications.
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Why would the soviets ever support them then if they had a chance to not even join their side?
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Pretend for a moment you're Joseph Stalin, leader of the mighty worker's paradise that is the USSR.
In Spain, there is a civil war going on. One side is an assortment of fascists, hyper-catholic (mind you, you are atheist as you're Joseph Stalin), traditionalists, and monarchists united under a rather right-wing banner. They could be potential allies to the Germans and Italians, which means Germany would be even stronger.
On the other hand is an assortment of Social Democrats, Socialists, Communists, Anarchists, and Centrists. They are considerably more secular (some are even anti-theist), are far more leftist, and many of them are loyal to the ideals of Stalinism and many talk of the day of Revolution.
That's it. It's far more advantageous to have a left-wing government in power than to have a catholic, fascist state that could ally with Germany and Italy.
Also, you still get experience that you can use to upgrade your units/edit your divisions with.
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Can someone explain to me why it's impossible to just have more ideological descriptions of nations, like in HOI2? Rather than only 3 factions?
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The republicans being counted as ideologically socialist/communist also puts them in the same ideology group as the soviet union. This probably makes it more likely that the Soviets will support with lendlease and volunteers.
It might be a design choice.
It might be a design choice.
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Now imagine I'm hitler, I send support, the nationalists win, I now have a potential ally. If Stalin does this and wins, well, he avoids a potential enemy, and has a chance of gaining an ally. So overall, ingame, fascist countries gain another country to maybe join them and communist countries don't get that at all. Isn't that imbalanced? Where only fascism has a good chance of getting an ally out of all of this?
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Having a chain event for if the Republicans win would be more fun imho.
Again, you also gain military experience and the AI can be weighed to usually become Communist if it has better relations with the USSR.
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Communist countries can ally Democracies, there's no problem with that. I imagine it's not even hard after first buying their favor with military support.
I can imagine it'd be hard to get a democratic country to join the comintern though.
An event chain would be better, but as it stands, they don't have time for that.
Obviously it's not impossible, but time spent on that could be better spent in other ways since it doesn't add much if anything to the main focus of the game.
It's hardly impossible either. I think it just needs more positive relations with the country if the ideology is different. Also, the Soviets could always stage a coup in favor of the less-democratic socialist movements...
That would be great, and the amount of ideological drift could and should depend on the amount of help. So support from fascist nations should boost Falangist power within Nationalist Spain. It would be complicated to balance, so I'm not going to be disappointed or surprised if this isn't in the game at launch. The Spanish Civil War lasting 3 months every game I will be disappointed to see at release. But it's something to save for a Spain(or Iberia) DLC, which in my mind would include:
- Focus trees for Nationalist Spain, Republican Spain, Portugal, Navarre and Catalonia.
- Unit sprites for these nations
- A large amount of focus on balance for this region.
- More detailed and complete mechanics for sending volunteers to other nations
Well, the normal thing would be to script the AI to do the historical path. From democratic to the revolution of Negrín. At the end it was indisputably communist. More communist that the soviets, maybe. "Homenage to Catalonia" George Orwell is recommended to read, as he fought in the civil war and explains there what he saw. In hoi3 was easily done by events. Dunno how it will change in hoi4.
They have 'til June 6th. I'm sure they could find some time where in the 70+ days still remaining to make at least a basic event chain.
The Spanish civil war we saw was from a build all the day back in December. Let's see how long the Spanish Civil War lasts with Daniel's WWW.
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