The Provinces! (Scandinavia)

[Styrbiorn]

- Norway proper (including Båhuslen and Jamtaland)

Of course I have to disagree with this. Jamtaland shouldn't be counted in to Norway proper, as the people of that area was not represented at the election of new kings (Herjedalen was though).

Just the little nit-picker in me coming up

Anyway, Åland should be a province of it's own, and if not it should be a part of Svealand, not Åbo, as it didn't became a part of Åbo län until 1643. The population of Åland was entirely Scandinavian too, not Finnish.

 

[Norgesvenn]

Sorry...
Still, we do have a plan for a "reconquista" of Jämtland and Herjedalen...

But by the mid 1200s, Jämtland was a part of the king of Norway's jurisdiction, right?

 

[unmerged(2695)]

Originally posted by Aetius
how large is the population in these 26 provinces in Norway in 1066? Harvards list of 17 provinces in Sweden is probably more than required since most of northern Sweden had very low populations, maybe just a couple of thousand in each.

That woudl not really matter. The provinces are there for movement/combat purposes as well as for admin purposes. Some may be unsettled at the start of the game.

I realy don't know how Paradox estimates province populations.

There were perhaps as many 200.000 people in Norway in the 11th Century. This may have increased to 250-300.000 before the Black Death.

In the first census, 1801, Norway had a population of 800.000.

 

[Endre Fodstad]

Originally posted by Hardu

There were perhaps as many 200.000 people in Norway in the 11th Century. This may have increased to 250-300.000 before the Black Death.

That sounds like a low-end estimate, Hardu. Where did you get it from?

EF

 

[Styrbiorn]

Originally posted by Norgesvenn
Sorry...
Still, we do have a plan for a "reconquista" of Jämtland and Herjedalen...

You are most welcome

But by the mid 1200s, Jämtland was a part of the king of Norway's jurisdiction, right?

In 1187 Jamtland was made tributary to the Norwegian king, but remained quite autonomous, with its own ting (Jamtamot, probably since the first part of the 10th century) and jurisdiction. The real integration into Norway can be considered the creation of the lagting which removed the power of the Jamtamot. This most probably happended in 1274 with the introduction of a Norwegian Landslov (the earliest sources mentioning the lagting is from 1303 iirc).
Summary, with slight difference in time, the answer is yes

 

[Galleblære]

Although I dont have vast knowledge of the subject, Norway should indeed be more powerful than what was possible in EU2, compared to its scandinavian cousins.

IE, after 1066-1300ish, in what way was Denmark so much more powerful than Norway? Norway raided and burned danish villages during wars, and they even had an invasion force ready that was stopped due to the act of a certain bishop.

And, Sweden wasn't the united entity it became later, or so I understand.

IE, Norway was at its peak of power around 1250ish, under Håkon Håkonssen.

 

[Idiotboy]

Originally posted by Endre Fodstad


That sounds like a low-end estimate, Hardu. Where did you get it from?

EF

Considering medevial numbers I would say that the numbers aren´t completely of the scale but I would also estimate them a wee bit higher. Say half a million or so.

 

[unmerged(7651)]

Historical provinces in Finland:
http://www.tkukoulu.fi/WindMills/maakunnat.jpg

 

[unmerged(1057)]

Originally posted by Emperor of Arm
Historical provinces in Finland:
http://www.tkukoulu.fi/WindMills/maakunnat.jpg

...+ Åland...

 

[unmerged(1057)]

Originally posted by Norgesvenn
Sorry...
Still, we do have a plan for a "reconquista" of Jämtland and Herjedalen...

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Could you please extend that to Västerbotten as well..

 

[Carolus Rex]

I'm only making a guess, but I don't think I'm too far off if I say I think they'll use pretty much the same map like they had in Svea Rike 3.

 

[Idiotboy]

Originally posted by Carolus Rex
I'm only making a guess, but I don't think I'm too far off if I say I think they'll use pretty much the same map like they had in Svea Rike 3.

Indulge us that wasn´t on the train that early.

 

[Gathenhielm]

I think he needs a map. (My meaning is that could somebody be nice and post one)

 

[unmerged(1057)]

Re: Re: The Provinces! (Scandinavia)

Originally posted by Gathenhielm
Öland and not Halland What is this

What´s Halland?..

 

[Gathenhielm]

Re: Re: Re: The Provinces! (Scandinavia)

Originally posted by Wasa


What´s Halland?..

You know that province south of Västergötland, west of Småland and north of Skåne.
And it is actually larger than Öland! And you can please tell me where Västerbotten is. It sounds like a hot dog.

 

[Styrbiorn]

Bah, who need Halland anyway?

 

[Gathenhielm]

This is an attack on Halland!!!
I dont take this anymore.
*Hits Styrbiorn and Wasa*

 

[Gathenhielm]

Originally posted by Styrbiorn
Bah, who need Halland anyway?

I with all the nice beaches (pointing at Styrbiorn) sea water (poiting at Wasa)
and not as poisoned as the Baltic sea. The sea fish. Fresh shrimps (one of my worst memories is when I celebrate Midsummer in Uppsala. We had frozen shrimps *SCREAMING*).
No crazy "norrlänningar" hides in the bushes ready to attack. And off course you dont need to freeze to death down here.

 

[unmerged(234)]

Re: Re: The Provinces! (Scandinavia)

Originally posted by Gathenhielm
Öland and not Halland What is this

As alreday Havard toook up in the first post, Halland should probably be a province, but a danish one. Öland was (mostly) a Swedish one.

And while Sweden (rightly) is potraited as the strongest Scandinavian power during most of the EU/EU2 period it is porbably the weakest one in most of the CK period, particullary until the "cold" civil war betwen our two royal lines ended.

 

[Gathenhielm]

Re: Re: Re: The Provinces! (Scandinavia)

Originally posted by Janbalk

As alreday Havard toook up in the first post, Halland should probably be a province, but a danish one. Öland was (mostly) a Swedish one.

And while Sweden (rightly) is potraited as the strongest Scandinavian power during most of the EU/EU2 period it is porbably the weakest one in most of the CK period, particullary until the "cold" civil war betwen our two royal lines ended.

Im out of my mind! Where did I put the brain?
I delete it.