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The rooms of my my house are currently a mess of torn wallpapers and fresh paint, and such an environment is ill-suited for books I intend to read for the next update. But don't worry, the next update about the immense suffering and tragedies of the Chinese Civil War will be upon you eventually.
 
I wonder if this... project (it's not really an AAR at this point, is it?) ever gets to the point where the "New Europe" regimes collapse - to a National Socialist 1989, in other words. Europe will be in terrible mess when that happens - all the crazy borders created by this timeline's WW2 will be open to revision, minorities will struggle for independence, etc. And I am afraid the idea of European unity will be discredited for a thousand years.

Or maybe the transition will happen relatively peacefully and in an orderly fashion. Hm.
 
I wonder if this... project (it's not really an AAR at this point, is it?) ever gets to the point where the "New Europe" regimes collapse - to a National Socialist 1989, in other words. Europe will be in terrible mess when that happens - all the crazy borders created by this timeline's WW2 will be open to revision, minorities will struggle for independence, etc. And I am afraid the idea of European unity will be discredited for a thousand years.

Or maybe the transition will happen relatively peacefully and in an orderly fashion. Hm.

The original timeline of Ville Rydman actually ended in early 1980s, when the economic reforms initiated by Führer Thomas Ehrl fail to stir life to the stagnating planned macro-economy of Neuropa during a time when arms race against the USSR and West is once again speeding up and the limited resources the Third Reich has in it's disposal are no longer enough to allow the Nazis to compete with other superpowers. It's a direct paraller to the disolution of OTL Soviet Union, even though it neatly leaves the final conclusions and "what's next"-questions to the reader.

As for this AAR, we'll see once we get there.
 
I wonder if this... project (it's not really an AAR at this point, is it?) ever gets to the point where the "New Europe" regimes collapse - to a National Socialist 1989, in other words. Europe will be in terrible mess when that happens - all the crazy borders created by this timeline's WW2 will be open to revision, minorities will struggle for independence, etc. And I am afraid the idea of European unity will be discredited for a thousand years.

Or maybe the transition will happen relatively peacefully and in an orderly fashion. Hm.

I would think 1989, and the world to date, has shown two different outcomes, no?

Germany still has more of a free market than OTL's USSR and China had. Maybe 2011 sees a revitalized pan-europa taking the role of OTL's China.

Ugh. I hate dystopia.
 
I would think 1989, and the world to date, has shown two different outcomes, no?

Germany still has more of a free market than OTL's USSR and China had. Maybe 2011 sees a revitalized pan-europa taking the role of OTL's China.

Ugh. I hate dystopia.

Do you really think the "Chinese model" is feasible in Europe? I know it sounds like a giant cliché, but the Chinese are more "tuned" culturally to authoritarian rule. When OTL Communist regimes tried to liberalize a bit here in Europe, the people quickly seized the opportunity and got rid of them altogether.

Unless you'd also want to have some sort of Neuropa's very own Tien-an-men massacre where the Reich's tanks would crush any hope of political liberalization. ... Yes, it's indeed a very depressing thought - especially if you're a Czech or a Pole or a member of any other "minority" under a Nazi-like regime...
 
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Well, those "culturally attuned" Chinese students still tried to follow suit when the Iron Curtain fell. A world where Gorbachev would have followed the course taken by Deng Xiaoping by reforming the economy while keeping the Party apparatus and state security firmly in control is a rather interesting what-if scenario.

Faeelin: Happy and content Polish migrant workers churning out dirt-cheap Fords for foreign export at the special economy zone of Stadt des KdF-Wagens...o_O
 
Well, those "culturally attuned" Chinese students still tried to follow suit when the Iron Curtain fell. A world where Gorbachev would have followed the course taken by Deng Xiaoping by reforming the economy while keeping the Party apparatus and state security firmly in control is a rather interesting what-if scenario.

Faeelin: Happy and content Polish migrant workers churning out dirt-cheap Fords for foreign export at the special economy zone of Stadt des KdF-Wagens...o_O

A Nazi ruled Europe would not be China. China is one nation with (more or less) one dominant ethnicity, that makes it 100x times easier to run the place. Europe under the Nazis would be a chafing, restless place where a minority of Germans lords it over a diverse and complex mix of nations. (90-100 million Germans vs. 200-300 million non Germans) Even the USSR was easier to rule, because the fraction of slavic populations vs non-slavic populations favored the "politically reliable" slavic populations. German-ruled Europe would not be China but a super-Yugoslavia, with Germans = Serbs.
 
Well, those "culturally attuned" Chinese students still tried to follow suit when the Iron Curtain fell. A world where Gorbachev would have followed the course taken by Deng Xiaoping by reforming the economy while keeping the Party apparatus and state security firmly in control is a rather interesting what-if scenario.

This, a thousand times this.

Let's recall that it was the freedom loving Europeans who stuck six million Jews in gas chambers, who carved empires across the world between 1800 and 1960, and so forth. And of course I wouldn't call the Soviet Union a freedom loving state. Contrast this with India, which seems to be getting along fine with a (admittedly messy) democracy.

The distant ending I had for the Sun Yat-sen Timeline was a socialist, more or less democratic China dominating East Asia while the Nazis ruled Europe under an iron fist.
 
This, a thousand times this.

Let's recall that it was the freedom loving Europeans who stuck six million Jews in gas chambers,

:rolleyes: Yes, let's blame all those occupied millions living under the Nazi rule for the crimes of Nazism. How very fair.

who carved empires across the world between 1800 and 1960, and so forth.

How is this even relevant to my argument? I never said Europeans were strangers to violence and oppression (especially of those they viewed as inferior). I said that European and Western culture in general isn't conducive to the Chinese model, which depends in large part on the traditional Chinese views of what a good government should be like (the 'mandate of heavens' and all that stuff). Also, China went up from being essentially a very poor Third World nation, and it still isn't as developed as New Europe would be at the same period, so it hasn't advanced that high on the Maslow's hierarchy of needs, so to speak - which again makes it easier to quell pro-democratic movements.

This "New Europe" would clearly not be analogous to modern day OTL China - especially not since it was forged by German military victories, as Leviathan07 pointed out. In China, which is relatively homogeneous compared to Europe, it is possible for the government to massacre a few thousand students and still not be seen as an enemy of the Chinese people. If on the other hand German tanks crushed pro-democracy demonstrations at Champs-Élysées, it would result in an universal condemnation by the French people. And if the puppet French government did it for them, everybody would still blame that on the Germans.

It would be just like 1989 in the Communist bloc. People were fed up, and when it became clear the Soviets wouldn't unleash their tanks like in 1956 and 1968, they took to the streets and brought the regimes down. It had generally nothing to do with the living standards, which for most people were fairly decent, especially in Czechoslovakia and East Germany. People just wanted their dignity back, it's what they missed the most under the totalitarian systems - but I guess that's hard to explain to someone who's never experienced such a life.

Since the "New Europe" system is a tongue-in-cheek analogy to the Communist system, I foresee the same ending for it.

And of course I wouldn't call the Soviet Union a freedom loving state. Contrast this with India, which seems to be getting along fine with a (admittedly messy) democracy.

Again, how is this relevant? You seem to be arguing against something I never said nor suggested.
 
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It's autumn, and I once again have time to write this. The focus will still remain in East Asia, but where excatly: China, Korea or Indonesia?
 
It's autumn, and I once again have time to write this. The focus will still remain in East Asia, but where excatly: China, Korea or Indonesia?

Are you offering us a choice?
 
My choice would be China first, then Korea, then Indonesia. :)
 
Any chance of a pdf of this? I want to read it all, but I really wanna print it off and hold it in my hands and read it. An excellent job!