The Prince and the Thane (MOD + WIP)

Sujit · May 7, 2012

Il Moro said:
ambition

Well your cardinal must be given the honorary title of "Primate" or be a duke. Honestly I do not know about the duke since all I did was to give the cardinal the Primate title.

Callendor · May 7, 2012

As a Jew that his family (from both sides) came from Romania, I can tell you that Europan Jews are not tan. Even that I lived all my life in Israel, my skin color looks European.

I suggest splitting the "Israelite" culture into two: "Ashkenazi" (European Jews) and "Sephardic" (In Hebrew: "Spanish". This is how Jews from the Middle-East and North Africa are called).

It looks quite wierd as Duke of the isles, to have Tan Jews in my court.

EmperorTojo · May 7, 2012

Clendor said:
As a Jew that his family (from both sides) came from Romania, I can tell you that Europan Jews are not tan. Even that I lived all my life in Israel, my skin color looks

I suggest splitting the "Israelite" culture into two: "Ashkenazi" (European Jews) and "Sephardic" (In Hebrew: "Spanish". This is how Jews from the Middle-East and North Africa are called).

It looks quite wierd as Duke of the isles, to have Tan Jews in my court.

They were all arabic before, so I think they look a bit better at the moment.

Not perfect of course, but yeah.

Korbah · May 7, 2012

Uhm...no we weren't?

*edit* Wait nevermind, I thought you were suggesting jewish people were arabic, as in, outside of CK2 lol, but you meant the graphics.

EmperorTojo · May 7, 2012

Korbah said:
Uhm...no we weren't?

*edit* Wait nevermind, I thought you were suggesting jewish people were arabic, as in, outside of CK2 lol, but you meant the graphics.

Yeah, sorry. Maybe I made it sound wrong. Lol.

But yeah, I meant that they had the looks of arabs in game before. It could be a good idea to split the culture into two and all, one which has a "tan" and what not.

It could easily be made.

Mojshe · May 7, 2012

Clendor said:
As a Jew that his family (from both sides) came from Romania, I can tell you that Europan Jews are not tan. Even that I lived all my life in Israel, my skin color looks

I suggest splitting the "Israelite" culture into two: "Ashkenazi" (European Jews) and "Sephardic" (In Hebrew: "Spanish". This is how Jews from the Middle-East and North Africa are called).

It looks quite wierd as Duke of the isles, to have Tan Jews in my court.

So, no difference between Sephardim and Mizrahim then? Nowadays these two terms at least in Israel have conflated quite heavily and Middle Eastern Jews quite often are called Sephardim. Even Sephardi Chief Rabbis of Israel are often Mizrahi.
My point is that if there is to be a division (IMHO, no particular reason to do that although I'm definitely not against), Mizrahim have to included. Since Iraqi, Persian, Indian and even Khazar Jews (in territorial sense) are Mizrahi. Oh, and there definitely should be Sabras.

Especially since there are conversion events + Israel.

In other words if idib has time and thinks this is reasonable then sure, why not. But really, as much as I would like to see a genealogical diversity in my own brethren (+ some heresies and all that), that's definitely not absolutely necessary, because it's CK2 and TPatT and not CK2 and a Radhanite mod or Knights and Merchants or something.

There are also some bugs left that need to be rooted out.

EDIT: Ashkenazim (European gfx), Sephardim (Andalusian/Muslim gfx), Mizrahim (Muslim gfx). Sort of.

Callendor · May 7, 2012

Mizrahim ("Eastern") and Sephardic Jews are just the same thing. I suggest the term "Sephardic" just because it is used in Vic2.

Mr. Capiatlist · May 7, 2012

Clendor said:
Mizrahim ("Eastern") and Sephardic Jews are just the same thing. I suggest the term "Sephardic" just because it is used in Vic2.

And more importantly more people have heard it, and instant understanding means good design.

unmerged(208745) · May 7, 2012

Clendor said:
Mizrahim ("Eastern") and Sephardic Jews are just the same thing. I suggest the term "Sephardic" just because it is used in Vic2.

Mmmh, true and not true. Mizrahim are the Jews originary from the middle-easter Muslim countries (Mizrah, East, says it all) while Sephardic are the Jews that are originally from Spain (Sfarad) and that are now considered as all the Jews coming from the mediterrenean area (it has to be said that many people still don't make the distinction between Sephardic and Mizrahim Jews). All those differences though originated much later than the historical period we are talking about. At CK2 times in Europe there were only Sephardic Jews, which weren't even Sephardic yet since that distinction originated after they were kicked out of Spain right after the Reconquista. That's why I opted for a single "Semitic" (Israelite) culture group, rather than the 2 or 3 (depending on who you follow and your personal beliefs) Jewish ethnic groups that we refer to nowadays. I wanted them to look Semitic so I gave them the same looks as the Andalusian-Arabic people which are the group that in-game looks the more resembling to Jews to me.

Of course everything can change

INFO: I'm not talking "Stam" as they say in Hebrew, I have a degree/minor in Middle Eastern history at Tel-Aviv University.

laertes · May 7, 2012

First of all, thank you for the mod, it's very good.
But I have to ask, where did all the church taxation go? Neither I nor the pope do get any gold from the bishops.

Karelian · May 7, 2012

First of all, thanks for the great mod. For me it has enabled an already enjoyable game to truly reach the full potential it has to offer.
Now, here's my modest contribution to your work, should you see the need to include it to future patches: modified Finnic Viking Age/Early Medieval non-Christian names and naming system:

Code:

	finnish = {
		graphical_culture = nordicgfx
		
		color = { 0.1 0.6 0.6 }

		male_names = {
			Aikamieli Aikio Ampuja Ano Aranti Arijoutsi Armas Arpia Artukka Arvo Asikka Asikko Auvo Ensio Eura Harmaa Haukka Havu Himottu Hintsa Hirvi Huuhka Hyvälempi Hyväri Hyvätty Härkäpää 
			Ihalempi Ihamuoto Ihanti Ikitiera  Ikopäivä Ikävalko Ilakka Ilma Ilmatoivia Ilmo Into Jalkava Jurva Kainu Kaipia Kaivattu Kaleva Kalevi Kaukovalta Keiho Kekko Kettu Kokko Kolli 
			Kostia Kotarikko Kova Koveri Kukko Kulta Kultamies Kupias Kurittu Leino Lemetti Lemmäs Lempi Lempo Lintu Maanavilja Menikko Miela Mielikko Mielitty Miemo Miero Mietti Montaja Mustia 
			Neuvo Nousia Nuolia Ohto Oivas Ora Osma Otava Otra Otso Paaso Pitkä Pitkäpää Puukko Päiviö Rahikka Rautio Reko Repo Satajalka Satatieto Saukko Seppo Sotijalo Suorsa Susi Tammi 
			Tapatora Tapavaino Terho Terätautia Tietävä Titti Toikka Toivas Toivo Torio Torittu Tornio Tulo Tuokki Ukko Unaja Uoti Urho Uro Utujoutsi Vaania Vaito Valta Valtari Valto Vartia Veli Vihavaino Viljakka Villi Viti Voitto Väinö
		}
		female_names = {
			Aamu Aino Hellä Helmi Hellikki Hopea Ilta Kaarina_Catherine Käpy Kielo Kukka Kuutamo Läpsä Lauha Lempi Liekko Mahla Maija Marja Mesi Metta Oiva Päivä Päivi Pihla Pilvi Pyry Rauha Raita Sati
			Sisko Suoma Salme Taimi Talvikki Terhi Tuija Tuovi Tuuli Tuulikki Tuomikki Tyyne Tyyni Vanamo Venla
		}
		from_dynasty_prefix = "of "
		male_patronym = "npoika"
		female_patronym = "ntytär"
		prefix = no # The patronym is added as a suffix

		modifier = default_culture_modifier
	}

I've also modified all Finnic characters accordingly, listed above. I also have reworked more historical-sounding Finnic dynasty names should you need them as well.

Code:

144626 = {
	name="Eura"
	dynasty=100384
	martial=6
	diplomacy=7
	intrigue=6
	stewardship=8
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="just"
	add_trait="skilled_tactician"
	father = 28003
	1100.1.1={
		birth="1100.1.1"
	}
	1170.1.1={
		death="1170.1.1"
	}
}

144627 = {
	name="Ihanti"
	dynasty=100384
	martial=6
	diplomacy=7
	intrigue=6
	stewardship=8
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="just"
	add_trait="skilled_tactician"
	father = 228003
	1180.1.1={
		birth="1180.1.1"
	}
	1250.1.1={
		death="1250.1.1"
	}
}

144631 = {
	name="Allikas"
	dynasty=100379
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	father = 28026
	1100.1.1={
		birth="1100.1.1"
	}
	1170.1.1={
		death="1170.1.1"
	}
}

144634 = {
	name="Asikka"
	dynasty=100388
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	father = 28004
	1080.1.1={
		birth="1080.1.1"
	}
	1150.1.1={
		death="1150.1.1"
	}
}

144635 = {
	name="Voitto"
	dynasty=200002
	martial=8
	diplomacy=5
	intrigue=6
	stewardship=5
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	father = 20612
	1090.1.1={
	birth="1090.1.1"
	}
	1158.1.1={
	death="1158.1.1"
	}
}

144636 = {
	name="Kostia"
	dynasty=100390
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	father = 28005
	1100.1.1={
		birth="1100.1.1"
	}
	1170.1.1={
		death="1170.1.1"
	}
}

144637 = {
	name="Mietti"
	dynasty=100390
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	father = 228005
	1190.1.1={
		birth="1190.1.1"
	}
	1250.1.1={
		death="1250.1.1"
	}
}

144638 = {
	name="Miela"
	dynasty=100411
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	father = 28007
	1100.1.1={
		birth="1100.1.1"
	}
	1170.1.1={
		death="1170.1.1"
	}
}

144639 = {
	name="Neuvo"
	dynasty=100411
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	father=228007
	1200.1.1={
		birth="1200.1.1"
	}
	1249.1.1={
		death="1249.1.1"
	}
}

144640 = {
	name="Uoti"
	dynasty=100376
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	father = 28021
	1100.1.1={
		birth="1100.1.1"
	}
	1170.1.1={
		death="1170.1.1"
	}
}

144641 = {
	name="Ilmo"
	female = yes
	dynasty=100384
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	father = 28011
	1100.1.1={
		birth="1100.1.1"
	}
	1158.1.1={
		death="1158.1.1"
	}
}

144642 = {
	name="Ilakka"
	dynasty=100392
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	father = 28035
	1100.1.1={
		birth="1100.1.1"
	}
	1170.1.1={
		death="1170.1.1"
	}
}

144643 = {
	name="Ihanti"
	dynasty=100392
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	father = 228035
	1190.1.1={
		birth="1190.1.1"
	}
	1249.1.1={
		death="1249.1.1"
	}
}

20612 = {
	name="Pitkäpää"
	dynasty=100592
	dna="rsndypotgcc"
	properties="tj0ebk0000"
	martial=8
	diplomacy=5
	intrigue=6
	stewardship=5
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="tough_soldier"
	1050.1.1={
		birth="1050.1.1"
	}
	1120.1.1={
		death="1120.1.1"
	}
}

20630 = {
	name="Tyuey-kezhut"
	# AKA: Tyuey
	dynasty=100588
	martial=7
	diplomacy=8
	intrigue=5
	stewardship=5
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="envious"
	add_trait="amateurish_plotter"
	1039.1.1={
		birth="1039.1.1"
	}
	1089.1.1={
		death="1089.1.1"
	}
}

228002 = {
	name="Jurva"
	dynasty=100382
	martial=5
	diplomacy=5
	intrigue=4
	stewardship=5
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="humble"
	add_trait="scholarly_theologian"
	1155.1.1={
		birth="1155.1.1"
	}
	1250.1.1={
		death="1250.1.1"
	}
}

228003 = {
	name="Mustia"
	dynasty=100383
	martial=6
	diplomacy=7
	intrigue=6
	stewardship=8
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="just"
	add_trait="skilled_tactician"
	father = 144626
	1150.1.1={
		birth="1150.1.1"
	}
	1200.1.1={
		death="1200.1.1"
	}
}

228004 = {
	name="Aikamieli"
	dynasty=200011
	martial=4
	diplomacy=6
	intrigue=7
	stewardship=7
	religion="orthodox"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="greedy"
	add_trait="proud"
	add_trait="tough_soldier"
	1150.1.1={
		birth="1150.1.1"
	}
	1200.1.1={
		death="1200.1.1"
	}
}

228005 = {
	name="Kotarikko"
	dynasty=100390
	dna="puzepuwddoz"
	properties="tg0dbk0000"
	martial=6
	diplomacy=7
	intrigue=5
	stewardship=7
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="chaste"
	add_trait="just"
	add_trait="tough_soldier"
	father = 144636
	1150.1.1={
		birth="1150.1.1"
	}
	1210.1.1={
		death="1210.1.1"
	}
}

228006 = {
	name="Koveri"
	dynasty=100391
	martial=5
	diplomacy=5
	intrigue=4
	stewardship=7
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="just"
	add_trait="flamboyant_schemer"
	1150.1.1={
		birth="1150.1.1"
	}
	1200.1.1={
		death="1200.1.1"
	}
}

228007 = {
	name="Harmaa"
	dynasty=100411
	martial=6
	diplomacy=4
	intrigue=6
	stewardship=5
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="tough_soldier"
	father=144638
	1150.1.1={
		birth="1150.1.1"
	}
	1220.1.1={
		death="1220.1.1"
	}
}

228008 = {
	name="Tapavaino"
	dynasty=100385
	martial=5
	diplomacy=4
	intrigue=7
	stewardship=5
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="skilled_tactician"
	1150.1.1={
		birth="1150.1.1"
	}
	1200.1.1={
		death="1200.1.1"
	}
}

228010 = {
	name="Tietävä"
	dynasty=100389
	martial=8
	diplomacy=4
	intrigue=7
	stewardship=5
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="flamboyant_schemer"
	1150.1.1={
		birth="1150.1.1"
	}
	1200.1.1={
		death="1200.1.1"
	}
}

228011 = {
	name="Maanavilja"
	dynasty=100384
	martial=4
	diplomacy=6
	intrigue=8
	stewardship=7
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="deceitful"
	add_trait="scholarly_theologian"
	1150.1.1={
		birth="1150.1.1"
	}
	1200.1.1={
		death="1200.1.1"
	}
}

228021 = {
	name="Vetseke"
	dynasty=100376
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	father=144640
	1150.1.1={
		birth="1150.1.1"
	}
	1228.1.1={
		death="1228.1.1"
	}
}

228035 = {
	name="Aranti"
	# AKA: Ikapaiva
	dynasty=100392
	martial=5
	diplomacy=4
	intrigue=4
	stewardship=5
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="kind"
	add_trait="proud"
	add_trait="flamboyant_schemer"
	father = 144642
	1150.1.1={
		birth="1150.1.1"
	}
	1210.1.1={
		death="1210.1.1"
	}
}

228070 = {
	name="Torio"
	dynasty=100579
	martial=7
	diplomacy=7
	intrigue=4
	stewardship=4
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="greedy"
	add_trait="cynical"
	add_trait="underhanded_rogue"
	1150.1.1={
		birth="1150.1.1"
	}
	1236.1.2={
		death="1236.1.2"
	}
}

228071 = {
	name="Jurva"
	dynasty=100384
	martial=4
	diplomacy=6
	intrigue=8
	stewardship=8
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="martial_cleric"
	1150.1.1={
		birth="1150.1.1"
	}
	1200.1.1={
		death="1200.1.1"
	}
}

228072 = {
	name="Osma"
	dynasty=100593
	martial=6
	diplomacy=6
	intrigue=6
	stewardship=7
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="patient"
	add_trait="amateurish_plotter"
	1150.1.1={
		birth="1150.1.1"
	}
	1200.1.1={
		death="1200.1.1"
	}
}

28003 = {
	name="Arijoutsi"
	dynasty=100383
	dna="mttxfdlzgcg"
	properties="ch0edd0000"
	martial=6
	diplomacy=7
	intrigue=6
	stewardship=8
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="just"
	add_trait="skilled_tactician"
	1050.1.1={
		birth="1050.1.1"
	}
	1120.1.1={
		death="1120.1.1"
	}
}

28004 = {
	name="Ikitiera"
	dynasty=100386
	dna="twpccqkunfn"
	properties="ciocgd0000"
	martial=4
	diplomacy=6
	intrigue=7
	stewardship=7
	religion="orthodox"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="deceitful"
	add_trait="proud"
	add_trait="skilled_tactician"
	1050.1.1={
		birth="1050.1.1"
	}
	1100.1.1={
		death="1100.1.1"
	}
}

28005 = {
	name="Hyväri"
	dynasty=100390
	martial=6
	diplomacy=7
	intrigue=5
	stewardship=7
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="chaste"
	add_trait="just"
	add_trait="tough_soldier"
	1050.1.1={
		birth="1050.1.1"
	}
	1120.1.1={
		death="1120.1.1"
	}
}

28006 = {
	name="Tulo"
	dynasty=100391
	martial=5
	diplomacy=5
	intrigue=4
	stewardship=7
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="just"
	add_trait="flamboyant_schemer"
	1039.1.1={
		birth="1039.1.1"
	}
	1089.1.1={
		death="1089.1.1"
	}
}

28007 = {
	name="Mielikko"
	dynasty=100411
	dna="isjyaqrzgcj"
	properties="gbzdcd0000"
	martial=6
	diplomacy=4
	intrigue=6
	stewardship=5
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="tough_soldier"
	1050.1.1={
		birth="1050.1.1"
	}
	1120.1.1={
		death="1120.1.1"
	}
}

28010 = {
	name="Keiho"
	dynasty=100389
	martial=8
	diplomacy=4
	intrigue=7
	stewardship=5
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="flamboyant_schemer"
	1039.1.1={
		birth="1039.1.1"
	}
	1089.1.1={
		death="1089.1.1"
	}
}

28011 = {
	name="Satatieto"
	dynasty=100592
	dna="jtlbuyycgho"
	properties="tj0ebd0000"
	martial=4
	diplomacy=6
	intrigue=8
	stewardship=7
	religion="catholic"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="diligent"
	add_trait="scholarly_theologian"
	1050.1.1={
		birth="1050.1.1"
	}
	1120.1.1={
		death="1120.1.1"
	}
}

28021 = {
	name="Vaito"
	dynasty=100376
	dna="maozoyrvjzx"
	properties="ti0jbj0000"
	martial=8
	diplomacy=6
	intrigue=8
	stewardship=6
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="ugribaltic"
	add_trait="skilled_tactician"
	1050.1.1={
		birth="1050.1.1"
	}
	1120.1.1={
		death="1120.1.1"
	}
}

28023 = {
	name="Vihavaino"
	dynasty=100377
	dna="qqjucwevgcy"
	properties="giedcd0000"
	martial=7
	diplomacy=6
	intrigue=5
	stewardship=4
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="ugricbaltic"
	add_trait="diligent"
	add_trait="tough_soldier"
	1039.1.1={
		birth="1039.1.1"
	}
	1089.1.1={
		death="1089.1.1"
	}
}

28025 = {
	name="Kettu"
	dynasty=100379
	dna="ahuyntligci"
	properties="ej0cak0000"
	martial=4
	diplomacy=8
	intrigue=4
	stewardship=6
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="ugribaltic"
	add_trait="clubfooted"
	add_trait="flamboyant_schemer"
	1039.1.1={
		birth="1039.1.1"
	}
	1089.1.1={
		death="1089.1.1"
	}
}

28026 = {
	name="Allikas"
	dynasty=100376
	dna="dylpzfhpgci"
	properties="tbpcbd0000"
	martial=8
	diplomacy=4
	intrigue=7
	stewardship=6
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="ugricbaltic"
	add_trait="diligent"
	add_trait="humble"
	add_trait="martial_cleric"
	1050.1.1={
		birth="1050.1.1"
	}
	1120.1.1={
		death="1120.1.1"
	}
}

28035 = {
	name="Ikopäivä"
	# AKA: Ikapaiva
	dynasty=100392
	dna="dmguuktngcc"
	properties="ci0eed0000"
	martial=5
	diplomacy=4
	intrigue=4
	stewardship=5
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="kind"
	add_trait="proud"
	add_trait="flamboyant_schemer"
	1050.1.1={
		birth="1050.1.1"
	}
	1120.1.1={
		death="1120.1.1"
	}
}

228026 = {
	name="Vaishvilkas"
	dynasty=100376
	martial=8
	diplomacy=4
	intrigue=7
	stewardship=6
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="diligent"
	add_trait="humble"
	add_trait="martial_cleric"
	father = 144631
	1150.1.1={
		birth="1150.1.1"
	}
	1219.1.1={
		death="1219.1.1"
	}
}

428070 = {
	name="Viljakka"
	dynasty=100579
	martial=7
	diplomacy=7
	intrigue=4
	stewardship=4
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="greedy"
	add_trait="cynical"
	add_trait="underhanded_rogue"
	1300.1.1={
		birth="1300.1.1"
	}
	1350.1.1={
		death="1350.1.1"
	}
}

486030 = {
	name="Ihalempi"
	dynasty=100389
	martial=6
	diplomacy=4
	intrigue=7
	stewardship=8
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	add_trait="tough_soldier"
	1300.1.1={
		birth="1300.1.1"
	}
	1350.1.1={
		death="1350.1.1"
	}
}

143150 = {
	name="Maanavilja"
	dynasty=100377
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	father = 28023
	1069.1.1={
		birth="1069.1.1"
	}
	1139.1.1={
		death="1139.1.1"
	}
}

143151 = {
	name="Tornio"
	dynasty=100377
	religion="finnish_pagan"
	culture="finnish"
	father = 143150
	1119.1.1={
		birth="1119.1.1"
	}
	1187.1.1={
		death="1187.1.1"
	}
}

Note that I added two Catholic chieftains to Satakunta and a Orthodox to Karelia for earliest starts - this is for historical flavour mostly, and hasn't really altered game balance in the North in my test games. As a future suggestion I'd recommend that you split the ahistorical large "kingdoms" from the area of modern-day Finland and Northern Russia completely up - they weren't such advanced state formations there historically, unlike in the Baltic area, and having them split up to one-province counties would represent the historical situation of the area much better. Keep up the good work regardless

unmerged(208745) · May 7, 2012

laertes said:
First of all, thank you for the mod, it's very good.
But I have to ask, where did all the church taxation go? Neither I nor the pope do get any gold from the bishops.

You have to be careful about what church taxation law you have. Also don't worry the Pope and the Antipope get enough money to survive and make them richer than 99% of the game's population. I just nerfed it a bit so that the Pope wouldn't hire a million mercs for each war he gets into. Because okay he's the Pope, but he can't hold off the HRE.

Mojshe · May 7, 2012

Clendor said:
Mizrahim ("Eastern") and Sephardic Jews are just the same thing. I suggest the term "Sephardic" just because it is used in Vic2.

If you say so.

It's just that here in post-Soviet Union we usually differentiate all groups of Jews depending on their religious (traditions, ceremonies etc.), ethnic, linguistic and other characteristics. Matter of habit and scientific study I guess.
My point was that in modern terms Mizrahim and Sephardim are often (at least in Israel) considered the same, however, within CK2 time frame they were most certainly not quite the same (West European/German, Iberian, Middle Eastern + myriads of others such as Beta Israel, Bene Israel or Kaifeng Jews). That's pretty much it.
And yes, if it's a matter of implementing something more or less fast and already known to many people, then Sephardim will do, no particular doubt there.

unmerged(208745) · May 7, 2012

Karelian said:

First of all, thanks for the great mod. For me it has enabled an already enjoyable game to truly reach the full potential it has to offer.
Now, here's my modest contribution to your work, should you see the need to include it to future patches: modified Finnic Viking Age/Early Medieval non-Christian names and naming system:

Code:

    finnish = {
        graphical_culture = nordicgfx
        
        color = { 0.1 0.6 0.6 }

        male_names = {
            Aikamieli Aikio Ampuja Ano Aranti Arijoutsi Armas Arpia Artukka Arvo Asikka Asikko Auvo Ensio Eura Harmaa Haukka Havu Himottu Hintsa Hirvi Huuhka Hyvälempi Hyväri Hyvätty Härkäpää 
            Ihalempi Ihamuoto Ihanti Ikitiera  Ikopäivä Ikävalko Ilakka Ilma Ilmatoivia Ilmo Into Jalkava Jurva Kainu Kaipia Kaivattu Kaleva Kalevi Kaukovalta Keiho Kekko Kettu Kokko Kolli 
            Kostia Kotarikko Kova Koveri Kukko Kulta Kultamies Kupias Kurittu Leino Lemetti Lemmäs Lempi Lempo Lintu Maanavilja Menikko Miela Mielikko Mielitty Miemo Miero Mietti Montaja Mustia 
            Neuvo Nousia Nuolia Ohto Oivas Ora Osma Otava Otra Otso Paaso Pitkä Pitkäpää Puukko Päiviö Rahikka Rautio Reko Repo Satajalka Satatieto Saukko Seppo Sotijalo Suorsa Susi Tammi 
            Tapatora Tapavaino Terho Terätautia Tietävä Titti Toikka Toivas Toivo Torio Torittu Tornio Tulo Tuokki Ukko Unaja Uoti Urho Uro Utujoutsi Vaania Vaito Valta Valtari Valto Vartia Veli Vihavaino Viljakka Villi Viti Voitto Väinö
        }
        female_names = {
            Aamu Aino Hellä Helmi Hellikki Hopea Ilta Kaarina_Catherine Käpy Kielo Kukka Kuutamo Läpsä Lauha Lempi Liekko Mahla Maija Marja Mesi Metta Oiva Päivä Päivi Pihla Pilvi Pyry Rauha Raita Sati
            Sisko Suoma Salme Taimi Talvikki Terhi Tuija Tuovi Tuuli Tuulikki Tuomikki Tyyne Tyyni Vanamo Venla
        }
        from_dynasty_prefix = "of "
        male_patronym = "npoika"
        female_patronym = "ntytär"
        prefix = no # The patronym is added as a suffix

        modifier = default_culture_modifier
    }

I've also modified all Finnic characters accordingly, listed above. I also have reworked more historical-sounding Finnic dynasty names should you need them as well.

Code:

144626 = {
    name="Eura"
    dynasty=100384
    martial=6
    diplomacy=7
    intrigue=6
    stewardship=8
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="just"
    add_trait="skilled_tactician"
    father = 28003
    1100.1.1={
        birth="1100.1.1"
    }
    1170.1.1={
        death="1170.1.1"
    }
}

144627 = {
    name="Ihanti"
    dynasty=100384
    martial=6
    diplomacy=7
    intrigue=6
    stewardship=8
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="just"
    add_trait="skilled_tactician"
    father = 228003
    1180.1.1={
        birth="1180.1.1"
    }
    1250.1.1={
        death="1250.1.1"
    }
}

144631 = {
    name="Allikas"
    dynasty=100379
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    father = 28026
    1100.1.1={
        birth="1100.1.1"
    }
    1170.1.1={
        death="1170.1.1"
    }
}

144634 = {
    name="Asikka"
    dynasty=100388
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    father = 28004
    1080.1.1={
        birth="1080.1.1"
    }
    1150.1.1={
        death="1150.1.1"
    }
}

144635 = {
    name="Voitto"
    dynasty=200002
    martial=8
    diplomacy=5
    intrigue=6
    stewardship=5
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    father = 20612
    1090.1.1={
    birth="1090.1.1"
    }
    1158.1.1={
    death="1158.1.1"
    }
}

144636 = {
    name="Kostia"
    dynasty=100390
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    father = 28005
    1100.1.1={
        birth="1100.1.1"
    }
    1170.1.1={
        death="1170.1.1"
    }
}

144637 = {
    name="Mietti"
    dynasty=100390
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    father = 228005
    1190.1.1={
        birth="1190.1.1"
    }
    1250.1.1={
        death="1250.1.1"
    }
}

144638 = {
    name="Miela"
    dynasty=100411
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    father = 28007
    1100.1.1={
        birth="1100.1.1"
    }
    1170.1.1={
        death="1170.1.1"
    }
}

144639 = {
    name="Neuvo"
    dynasty=100411
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    father=228007
    1200.1.1={
        birth="1200.1.1"
    }
    1249.1.1={
        death="1249.1.1"
    }
}

144640 = {
    name="Uoti"
    dynasty=100376
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    father = 28021
    1100.1.1={
        birth="1100.1.1"
    }
    1170.1.1={
        death="1170.1.1"
    }
}

144641 = {
    name="Ilmo"
    female = yes
    dynasty=100384
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    father = 28011
    1100.1.1={
        birth="1100.1.1"
    }
    1158.1.1={
        death="1158.1.1"
    }
}

144642 = {
    name="Ilakka"
    dynasty=100392
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    father = 28035
    1100.1.1={
        birth="1100.1.1"
    }
    1170.1.1={
        death="1170.1.1"
    }
}

144643 = {
    name="Ihanti"
    dynasty=100392
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    father = 228035
    1190.1.1={
        birth="1190.1.1"
    }
    1249.1.1={
        death="1249.1.1"
    }
}

20612 = {
    name="Pitkäpää"
    dynasty=100592
    dna="rsndypotgcc"
    properties="tj0ebk0000"
    martial=8
    diplomacy=5
    intrigue=6
    stewardship=5
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="tough_soldier"
    1050.1.1={
        birth="1050.1.1"
    }
    1120.1.1={
        death="1120.1.1"
    }
}

20630 = {
    name="Tyuey-kezhut"
    # AKA: Tyuey
    dynasty=100588
    martial=7
    diplomacy=8
    intrigue=5
    stewardship=5
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="envious"
    add_trait="amateurish_plotter"
    1039.1.1={
        birth="1039.1.1"
    }
    1089.1.1={
        death="1089.1.1"
    }
}

228002 = {
    name="Jurva"
    dynasty=100382
    martial=5
    diplomacy=5
    intrigue=4
    stewardship=5
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="humble"
    add_trait="scholarly_theologian"
    1155.1.1={
        birth="1155.1.1"
    }
    1250.1.1={
        death="1250.1.1"
    }
}

228003 = {
    name="Mustia"
    dynasty=100383
    martial=6
    diplomacy=7
    intrigue=6
    stewardship=8
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="just"
    add_trait="skilled_tactician"
    father = 144626
    1150.1.1={
        birth="1150.1.1"
    }
    1200.1.1={
        death="1200.1.1"
    }
}

228004 = {
    name="Aikamieli"
    dynasty=200011
    martial=4
    diplomacy=6
    intrigue=7
    stewardship=7
    religion="orthodox"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="greedy"
    add_trait="proud"
    add_trait="tough_soldier"
    1150.1.1={
        birth="1150.1.1"
    }
    1200.1.1={
        death="1200.1.1"
    }
}

228005 = {
    name="Kotarikko"
    dynasty=100390
    dna="puzepuwddoz"
    properties="tg0dbk0000"
    martial=6
    diplomacy=7
    intrigue=5
    stewardship=7
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="chaste"
    add_trait="just"
    add_trait="tough_soldier"
    father = 144636
    1150.1.1={
        birth="1150.1.1"
    }
    1210.1.1={
        death="1210.1.1"
    }
}

228006 = {
    name="Koveri"
    dynasty=100391
    martial=5
    diplomacy=5
    intrigue=4
    stewardship=7
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="just"
    add_trait="flamboyant_schemer"
    1150.1.1={
        birth="1150.1.1"
    }
    1200.1.1={
        death="1200.1.1"
    }
}

228007 = {
    name="Harmaa"
    dynasty=100411
    martial=6
    diplomacy=4
    intrigue=6
    stewardship=5
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="tough_soldier"
    father=144638
    1150.1.1={
        birth="1150.1.1"
    }
    1220.1.1={
        death="1220.1.1"
    }
}

228008 = {
    name="Tapavaino"
    dynasty=100385
    martial=5
    diplomacy=4
    intrigue=7
    stewardship=5
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="skilled_tactician"
    1150.1.1={
        birth="1150.1.1"
    }
    1200.1.1={
        death="1200.1.1"
    }
}

228010 = {
    name="Tietävä"
    dynasty=100389
    martial=8
    diplomacy=4
    intrigue=7
    stewardship=5
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="flamboyant_schemer"
    1150.1.1={
        birth="1150.1.1"
    }
    1200.1.1={
        death="1200.1.1"
    }
}

228011 = {
    name="Maanavilja"
    dynasty=100384
    martial=4
    diplomacy=6
    intrigue=8
    stewardship=7
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="deceitful"
    add_trait="scholarly_theologian"
    1150.1.1={
        birth="1150.1.1"
    }
    1200.1.1={
        death="1200.1.1"
    }
}

228021 = {
    name="Vetseke"
    dynasty=100376
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    father=144640
    1150.1.1={
        birth="1150.1.1"
    }
    1228.1.1={
        death="1228.1.1"
    }
}

228035 = {
    name="Aranti"
    # AKA: Ikapaiva
    dynasty=100392
    martial=5
    diplomacy=4
    intrigue=4
    stewardship=5
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="kind"
    add_trait="proud"
    add_trait="flamboyant_schemer"
    father = 144642
    1150.1.1={
        birth="1150.1.1"
    }
    1210.1.1={
        death="1210.1.1"
    }
}

228070 = {
    name="Torio"
    dynasty=100579
    martial=7
    diplomacy=7
    intrigue=4
    stewardship=4
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="greedy"
    add_trait="cynical"
    add_trait="underhanded_rogue"
    1150.1.1={
        birth="1150.1.1"
    }
    1236.1.2={
        death="1236.1.2"
    }
}

228071 = {
    name="Jurva"
    dynasty=100384
    martial=4
    diplomacy=6
    intrigue=8
    stewardship=8
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="martial_cleric"
    1150.1.1={
        birth="1150.1.1"
    }
    1200.1.1={
        death="1200.1.1"
    }
}

228072 = {
    name="Osma"
    dynasty=100593
    martial=6
    diplomacy=6
    intrigue=6
    stewardship=7
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="patient"
    add_trait="amateurish_plotter"
    1150.1.1={
        birth="1150.1.1"
    }
    1200.1.1={
        death="1200.1.1"
    }
}

28003 = {
    name="Arijoutsi"
    dynasty=100383
    dna="mttxfdlzgcg"
    properties="ch0edd0000"
    martial=6
    diplomacy=7
    intrigue=6
    stewardship=8
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="just"
    add_trait="skilled_tactician"
    1050.1.1={
        birth="1050.1.1"
    }
    1120.1.1={
        death="1120.1.1"
    }
}

28004 = {
    name="Ikitiera"
    dynasty=100386
    dna="twpccqkunfn"
    properties="ciocgd0000"
    martial=4
    diplomacy=6
    intrigue=7
    stewardship=7
    religion="orthodox"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="deceitful"
    add_trait="proud"
    add_trait="skilled_tactician"
    1050.1.1={
        birth="1050.1.1"
    }
    1100.1.1={
        death="1100.1.1"
    }
}

28005 = {
    name="Hyväri"
    dynasty=100390
    martial=6
    diplomacy=7
    intrigue=5
    stewardship=7
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="chaste"
    add_trait="just"
    add_trait="tough_soldier"
    1050.1.1={
        birth="1050.1.1"
    }
    1120.1.1={
        death="1120.1.1"
    }
}

28006 = {
    name="Tulo"
    dynasty=100391
    martial=5
    diplomacy=5
    intrigue=4
    stewardship=7
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="just"
    add_trait="flamboyant_schemer"
    1039.1.1={
        birth="1039.1.1"
    }
    1089.1.1={
        death="1089.1.1"
    }
}

28007 = {
    name="Mielikko"
    dynasty=100411
    dna="isjyaqrzgcj"
    properties="gbzdcd0000"
    martial=6
    diplomacy=4
    intrigue=6
    stewardship=5
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="tough_soldier"
    1050.1.1={
        birth="1050.1.1"
    }
    1120.1.1={
        death="1120.1.1"
    }
}

28010 = {
    name="Keiho"
    dynasty=100389
    martial=8
    diplomacy=4
    intrigue=7
    stewardship=5
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="flamboyant_schemer"
    1039.1.1={
        birth="1039.1.1"
    }
    1089.1.1={
        death="1089.1.1"
    }
}

28011 = {
    name="Satatieto"
    dynasty=100592
    dna="jtlbuyycgho"
    properties="tj0ebd0000"
    martial=4
    diplomacy=6
    intrigue=8
    stewardship=7
    religion="catholic"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="diligent"
    add_trait="scholarly_theologian"
    1050.1.1={
        birth="1050.1.1"
    }
    1120.1.1={
        death="1120.1.1"
    }
}

28021 = {
    name="Vaito"
    dynasty=100376
    dna="maozoyrvjzx"
    properties="ti0jbj0000"
    martial=8
    diplomacy=6
    intrigue=8
    stewardship=6
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="ugribaltic"
    add_trait="skilled_tactician"
    1050.1.1={
        birth="1050.1.1"
    }
    1120.1.1={
        death="1120.1.1"
    }
}

28023 = {
    name="Vihavaino"
    dynasty=100377
    dna="qqjucwevgcy"
    properties="giedcd0000"
    martial=7
    diplomacy=6
    intrigue=5
    stewardship=4
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="ugricbaltic"
    add_trait="diligent"
    add_trait="tough_soldier"
    1039.1.1={
        birth="1039.1.1"
    }
    1089.1.1={
        death="1089.1.1"
    }
}

28025 = {
    name="Kettu"
    dynasty=100379
    dna="ahuyntligci"
    properties="ej0cak0000"
    martial=4
    diplomacy=8
    intrigue=4
    stewardship=6
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="ugribaltic"
    add_trait="clubfooted"
    add_trait="flamboyant_schemer"
    1039.1.1={
        birth="1039.1.1"
    }
    1089.1.1={
        death="1089.1.1"
    }
}

28026 = {
    name="Allikas"
    dynasty=100376
    dna="dylpzfhpgci"
    properties="tbpcbd0000"
    martial=8
    diplomacy=4
    intrigue=7
    stewardship=6
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="ugricbaltic"
    add_trait="diligent"
    add_trait="humble"
    add_trait="martial_cleric"
    1050.1.1={
        birth="1050.1.1"
    }
    1120.1.1={
        death="1120.1.1"
    }
}

28035 = {
    name="Ikopäivä"
    # AKA: Ikapaiva
    dynasty=100392
    dna="dmguuktngcc"
    properties="ci0eed0000"
    martial=5
    diplomacy=4
    intrigue=4
    stewardship=5
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="kind"
    add_trait="proud"
    add_trait="flamboyant_schemer"
    1050.1.1={
        birth="1050.1.1"
    }
    1120.1.1={
        death="1120.1.1"
    }
}

228026 = {
    name="Vaishvilkas"
    dynasty=100376
    martial=8
    diplomacy=4
    intrigue=7
    stewardship=6
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="diligent"
    add_trait="humble"
    add_trait="martial_cleric"
    father = 144631
    1150.1.1={
        birth="1150.1.1"
    }
    1219.1.1={
        death="1219.1.1"
    }
}

428070 = {
    name="Viljakka"
    dynasty=100579
    martial=7
    diplomacy=7
    intrigue=4
    stewardship=4
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="greedy"
    add_trait="cynical"
    add_trait="underhanded_rogue"
    1300.1.1={
        birth="1300.1.1"
    }
    1350.1.1={
        death="1350.1.1"
    }
}

486030 = {
    name="Ihalempi"
    dynasty=100389
    martial=6
    diplomacy=4
    intrigue=7
    stewardship=8
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    add_trait="tough_soldier"
    1300.1.1={
        birth="1300.1.1"
    }
    1350.1.1={
        death="1350.1.1"
    }
}

143150 = {
    name="Maanavilja"
    dynasty=100377
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    father = 28023
    1069.1.1={
        birth="1069.1.1"
    }
    1139.1.1={
        death="1139.1.1"
    }
}

143151 = {
    name="Tornio"
    dynasty=100377
    religion="finnish_pagan"
    culture="finnish"
    father = 143150
    1119.1.1={
        birth="1119.1.1"
    }
    1187.1.1={
        death="1187.1.1"
    }
}

Note that I added two Catholic chieftains to Satakunta and a Orthodox to Karelia for earliest starts - this is for historical flavour mostly, and hasn't really altered game balance in the North in my test games. As a future suggestion I'd recommend that you split the ahistorical large "kingdoms" from the area of modern-day Finland and Northern Russia completely up - they weren't such advanced state formations there historically, unlike in the Baltic area, and having them split up to one-province counties would represent the historical situation of the area much better. Keep up the good work regardless

If you PM me with your material I'll add it to the mod

I hate to copy and paste

EDIT: Needless to say you'll be credited for it

unmerged(208745) · May 7, 2012

Mojshe said:
If you say so. It's just that here in post-Soviet Union we usually differentiate all groups of Jews depending on their religious (traditions, ceremonies etc.), ethnic, linguistic and other characteristics. Matter of habit and scientific study I guess.
My point was that in modern terms Mizrahim and Sephardim are often (at least in Israel) considered the same, however, within CK2 time frame they were most certainly not quite the same (West European/German, Iberian, Middle Eastern + myriads of others such as Beta Israel, Bene Israel or Kaifeng Jews). That's pretty much it.
And yes, if it's a matter of implementing something more or less fast and already known to many people, then Sephardim will do, no particular doubt there.

Look at my post about it, I hope it clarifies things

Mojshe · May 7, 2012

idib816 said:
Mmmh, true and not true. Mizrahim are the Jews originary from the middle-easter Muslim countries (Mizrah, East, says it all) while Sephardic are the Jews that are originally from Spain (Sfarad) and that are now considered as all the Jews coming from the mediterrenean area (it has to be said that many people still don't make the distinction between Sephardic and Mizrahim Jews). All those differences though originated much later than the historical period we are talking about. At CK2 times in Europe there were only Sephardic Jews, which weren't even Sephardic yet since that distinction originated after they were kicked out of Spain right after the Reconquista. That's why I opted for a single "Semitic" (Israelite) culture group, rather than the 2 or 3 (depending on who you follow and your personal beliefs) Jewish ethnic groups that we refer to nowadays. I wanted them to look Semitic so I gave them the same looks as the Andalusian-Arabic people which are the group that in-game looks the more resembling to Jews to me.

Of course everything can change

INFO: I'm not talking "Stam" as they say in Hebrew, I have a degree/minor in Middle Eastern history at Tel-Aviv University.

Oh right! I forgot that Jews now have Andalusian gfx. Just saw countesses of Mosul and Sussex. Nice.

Lord Tywin · May 7, 2012

Lord Tywin said:
This is a brilliant mod but I must say that the kidnapping plot doesn't really make sense, since if that would happen to a medieval ruler why the wouldn't he just say "Oh, take the province" and then instead of actually giving it away to some scum that has threatened to kill him he takes the guilty and put their heads on spikes? Furthermore it doesn't make sense from the plotters part either since the man they kidnapped is now their liege and there is nothing that is stopping him from just march over to their new county and butcher them.

I suggest that maybe instead of asking for a county they ask for money and that after the kidnapping they flee to another court.

Any comment Idib?

Mojshe · May 7, 2012

idib816 said:
Look at my post about it, I hope it clarifies things

It does.

By the way, I just restored Charles' empire with the Vermandois branch. Well, it's Franconia actually but that's not the point. Thing is that Franconia has a de jure territory and I have all three kingdom titles (France, Arles and Brittany). Since I'm the holder of every one of them, shouldn't the royal laws (authority + investiture) apply to 3 kingdoms depending on what Franconia has? Since Franconia currently has minimal authority and France, Brittany and Arles have medium and their laws are applied and not Franconia's. Have I missed something or is this WAD?

unmerged(208745) · May 7, 2012

Lord Tywin said:
Any comment Idib?

You're right. I was planning on taking it off as I'm working on a couple event chains for plotting.

unmerged(208745) · May 7, 2012

Mojshe said:
It does.
By the way, I just restored Charles' empire with the Vermandois branch. Well, it's Franconia actually but that's not the point. Thing is that Franconia has a de jure territory and I have all three kingdom titles (France, Arles and Brittany). Since I'm the holder of every one of them, shouldn't the royal laws (authority + investiture) apply to 3 kingdoms depending on what Franconia has? Since Franconia currently has minimal authority and France, Brittany and Arles have medium and their laws are applied and not Franconia's. Have I missed something or is this WAD?

Kingdom's crown authority if the kingdom is existant surpasses the empire's one. Also Franconia shouldn't be de jure so I guess you're gonna have to either stick with the kingdom's laws or just raise your own crown authority until it equals or surpasses the one of the kingdoms you own. For instance in the HRE if you're under the kingdom of Bohemia you are affected by the kingdom's crown laws and not by the empire's ones. So there shouldn't be anything weird going on if I understood what you're telling me right.

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