The Prestige Requirement is too D*** High!
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If you have a properly empire-sized realm and hold several kingdom titles, then getting 8000 prestige in 30-40 years is not that much of a big deal.
And besides, it is supposed to be a lot harder than making a de jure empire, since those are already accepted by the other ruler, while new titles have to fight for that acceptance.
And besides, it is supposed to be a lot harder than making a de jure empire, since those are already accepted by the other ruler, while new titles have to fight for that acceptance.
I'm not a hardcore CK2 player (I'm probably one of the more 'casual' CK players with 300 hours under their belts, although I know that's probably not the strictest definition of casual), and I've formed at least one custom empire, and cracked 8K prestige with a character on multiple occasions. Never my first generation or two (particularly if you start early on and need to get your inheritance laws lined up to keep the right titles in the right places), but if you're ruling a decent sized kingdom or two, and have a decent enough dynasty, it shouldn't be a problem. You might luck out with people dying before their time and the like, but I don't think I've played a game of CK2 playing 'large' (obviously, deliberately playing small won't have you cracking 8K, but if you're a count in Ireland you shouldn't be forming an empire anyways!) when I haven't got over 8K in at least one or two characters.
And I'm not fully on top of the UI, don't care for plots, don't pay tooo much attention to what's going on (enough, but I'm no pro player). I note even the OP was actually able to create an empire, they just needed to be patient. I don't see the issue here. That said, I am a filthy casual, so maybe it's just me being oblivious
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And I'm not fully on top of the UI, don't care for plots, don't pay tooo much attention to what's going on (enough, but I'm no pro player). I note even the OP was actually able to create an empire, they just needed to be patient. I don't see the issue here. That said, I am a filthy casual, so maybe it's just me being oblivious
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Then why does Empire of Carpathia, having only Dacia and parts of Pannonia and areas behind Danube, exist? Why does Empire of Hispannia exist? Why does Wendish Empire exist? Why does Britannia exist?
If it were about declaring yourself heir to Rome, then there would only be HRE and Byzantine Empire (+ Latin Empire in 13th century or in case of Byzantine Empire falling) in Christian world.
I just had a guy get over 12k. Started as a Welsh Duke, took 3 or 4 generations to form Kingdom of Byrionathad (sp?). I started eating up pieces of England, then decided on a lark to get involved in a Crusade in Spain and ended up taking virtually the entire Iberian peninsula. Tewydos "The Dragon" Rhos died with around 12.2K prestige, but was unable to form the Empire of Hispania because of a lingering Umayyad presence.
Weird. I very rarely see the ai make a titular kingdom and never a titular empire.
Why not a prestige cost to create a de jure empires?
Really good point. This caused problems in my recent game when I tried to form the dejure empire of Abyssinia (which required creating Nubia and Egypt first). "Can't destroy title with Gavelkind" "Have to reign 10 years before changing laws."
You'd think those rules could be tweaked for non-tribals with advanced Legalism.
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But most of the de jure empires are made up silliness no different than a custom empire anyway.
If it were such that it gave you the succession laws of your primary title then perhaps. As is? No. Needs to be reduced.
Best I got was 24K on a Viking World Conquest character. Good ol' Fylkir Grom.
On topic, I think the pestige requirement is in a good place. Declaring yourself equal to great nations like Francia, HRE, and Byzantine should require a large amount of prestige, or else if you claim you are an Emperor people will just think you are an idiot and ignore you.
Whether you think it should be lower for humans or not, it should be lowered for the AI. I mean, 125K prestige?! That's pretty much impossible.
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