The Prestige Requirement is too D*** High!
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If you ask me, 8000 is a bit much unless you're a Viking or something that's bringing in the prestige constantly from raiding. By the time you start having that kind of prestige, you're already an emperor many times over. Sort of defeats the purpose, no? 8000 isn't the worst thing ever, but it could stand to be somewhat lower at say 6500. On the flip side it's a pittance to form a custom kingdom, which I somewhat understand because they were many places such as the British Isles where anyone with control over a fair amount of land called himself a king. Probably the fairest thing might be to add some religous head opinion as a factor like you have with the HRE decision for empires and kingdoms. It may also not be a bad idea to have some decent vassal opinion as another requirement versus prestige, which would represent your vassals seeing you as a legitimate ruler.
Not everyone has a religious head. (Most obviously, the Shi'a Caliph isn't guaranteed to exist and Cathar can't have a religious head.)
I understand why it should be harder, and it makes sense, but don't you think that it's pretty silly in a context where the majority of the "de jure" empire never even existed before? Especially ones like the Wendish empire, which are just complete senseless fiction.
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That's not the reason; only kingdoms inside unformed empires will automatically become de jure. In that case (assuming 1066 start) Africa and Mauretania will automatically drift in because the Arabian Empire doesn't have a holder, but Sicily won't because the Byzantine Empire does.
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I think the bottom line is that people want to see more custom empires and kingdoms pop up in their games
Maybe their should be a poll over this.
Maybe their should be a poll over this.
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Not everyone. I personally wish was there was an option to disable them without turning off Charlemagne completely (for the AI at least).
It is basically disabled for the ai. They need a lot lot more prestige than a person.
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Any mods or are they formed by settled nomads? I know ck2+ doesn't have the much higher prestige requirement for the ai as wessex and Mercia usually become proper kingdoms a few years into an old gods start. As long as they don't end up conquered.
Yeah, the feature CK2 needs the most right now is a mechanic to destroy a title if an empire/kingdom gets too weak.
Very true. Perhaps an exception could just be thrown in if that's case- probably a good 500 piety or so would suffice instead. I could practically envision the two versions of the event now:
With Religious Head:
"On this day, the time has finally come for you to be recognized as something more than a king. Not since the time of the Romans has one person controlled such a vast realm. With the support of your vassals and the blessing of the <insert religious head title>, history shall forever be changed. The <insert religious head title> may be considered second only to <insert god name>, but you yourself have just become something greater as well."
Without Religious Head:
"On this day, the time has finally come for you to be recognized as something more than a king. Not since the time of the Romans has one person controlled such a vast realm. With the support of your vassals, history shall be forever changed. Surely <insert god name> has truly smiled upon you that you were able to accomplish such a monumental task."
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I have only seen muslims form Custom Kingdoms, personally I think Custom Empires make more sense then most of the current empires in game.
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Alright, I will give you example from my actual game: Custom Kingdom of Slovakia (with de jure lands, being de jure part of no empire) has become Empire of Slovakia, but it didn´t become its de jure part, while Poland and Great Moravia (titular kingdom, absolutely worthless in 1066 start by the way) did. Although, it may have something to do with the fact that Slovakia is not de jure part of any empire.
It's easiest with Norse yes but I don't play only Norse. Sure you're first couple of characters can't accomplish it but if you play through about 3-4 generations and spread your dynasty a little it becomes really easy to get prestige in range around ~12k. I see that as okay since you're not supposed to accomplish everything with one character.
And I'll look into if maybe we can make dejure empires more expensive. Not sure though if raising piety cost there is that smart though.
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If you have the HL DLC, the tributary CB is a great way to gain prestige. It doesn't matter if the target is a county or duchy, it's still 200 prestige gain from winning the war.
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Please consider this very carefully - formation of empires is not a problem looking for a solution; de jure structure is the root issue and all these bandaids just make things more tedious and boring.
Really tired of seeing people trying to impose an internal HRE order world-wide even if it makes absolutely no sense to have such border-gore.
Probably won't change anything but it doesn't hurt looking into what can be done.
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That is all we can ask. Thank you for your dedication and hard work. That and your forum presence is always appreciated.
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