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Sounds like someone beat me to reading the new Caro. Also, there is an OTL Sparkman Center, it turns out. It's not on the UAH campus, it's over on Redstone Arsenal, right across from the Von Braun Center... which is ridiculously huge. I didn't realize the US was in the habit of building monuments to German aristocrats accused of war crimes, but seriously, bigger footprint than the Louvre complex if you include the parking lots.
Skybolt. Pentagon procurement practices. "Efficiency Streamlining". True, the last one netted us the epic F-4, but probably killed half a dozen other promising projects.
Not that the F-4 was an unmitigated success - to do away with gun capacity in the dawn of the missile age was a mistake, and to try to make a one-size-fits-all aircraft just doesn't work. It's a camel... a horse designed by committee. A carrier fighter that's also a recon bird that's also a land-based air superiority fighter that's also a ground-attack aircraft that's also meant for export to NATO allies? Yes please, sign me up for THAT design team...
For that reason they had to hurry the F-4E to fight in Vietnam. And even then the plane wasn't as agile as the MiGs. I'm a Phantom fan, I must say.
I wonder why the Yanks have that silly mentality: "it has to be multi-role" (Phantom), "If it's not ours, we don't want it" (The P-51s with the Merlin engine) "if it's from the navy, we (the army, the USAF, whatever) don't want it (and viceversa)". So childish.
I wonder why the Yanks have that silly mentality: "it has to be multi-role" (Phantom), "If it's not ours, we don't want it" (The P-51s with the Merlin engine) "if it's from the navy, we (the army, the USAF, whatever) don't want it (and viceversa)". So childish.
Pride and principles are important factors, you can't really do much about that.
Sure sounds like the F-35 to me!~
On a related note; would certain weapons programs be cancelled like they were in our timeline due to politics? (Avro Arrow and the TSR-2)
And what happened to the YB-49?
I had deliberately refrained from any F-35 comparisons because that (and the fact that for the price of two F-22s, you have the entire Army construction program budget for the year - Stateside, OCONUS, emergency, planned, and $192M West Point barracks...) is one of the things that makes me start ranting uncontrollably.
I should point out that the American military actually has a better record for interoperability since WW2 than Kurt gives them credit for. Part of this is because, as the single largest buyer, the Army is usually willing to let other services do the prototyping and testing - the Stryker is a loose adaptation of the Marine LAAV concept, the M16 was first adopted by the Air Force, the upgrade programs on the M16 were driven by the Marines... you get the idea. Part of it is because of the pressures for joint operation - if everyone has to use the same ammunition types (7.62 NATO, 5.56 NATO, and 9mm in rough order of adoption), everyone might as well use the same magazine types, and if you have to be able to talk to the British, the Germans, the Italians, and the Poles, you might as well make it so your army and your air force can talk to each other. Wasn't always the case; early in WW2, Marine observers calling for naval gunfire had to rely on wigwag flags because the shore radios and the ship radios weren't capable of operating in the same frequencies.
I should point out that the American military actually has a better record for interoperability since WW2 than Kurt gives them credit for. Part of this is because, as the single largest buyer, the Army is usually willing to let other services do the prototyping and testing - the Stryker is a loose adaptation of the Marine LAAV concept, the M16 was first adopted by the Air Force, the upgrade programs on the M16 were driven by the Marines... you get the idea. Part of it is because of the pressures for joint operation - if everyone has to use the same ammunition types (7.62 NATO, 5.56 NATO, and 9mm in rough order of adoption), everyone might as well use the same magazine types, and if you have to be able to talk to the British, the Germans, the Italians, and the Poles, you might as well make it so your army and your air force can talk to each other. Wasn't always the case; early in WW2, Marine observers calling for naval gunfire had to rely on wigwag flags because the shore radios and the ship radios weren't capable of operating in the same frequencies.
True. The US Armed Forces have improved since the 1940s -a world war and several minor ones should have caused that effect.
H.Appleby: The Republican conservatives are still alive...just not in a commanding position yet.
We'll see.
You'll see.
I don't know. I am not militarily geeky.
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J.J.Jameson: I mentioned the Joint Chiefs back in 1958.
Kurt_Steiner: Oh, come on. Give Johnson a chance, Kurt. It's not like he's running a war or anything.
trekaddict: You won't be seeing McNamara at all in this AAR.
H.Appleby: He also makes things interesting.
c0d5579: Yup.
trekaddict: Ah. Nothing about a war I see.
c0d5579: It sounds like I need to put a few butterflies into airplane design.
Kurt_Steiner: Out of pride?
Asalto: Sadly so.
J.J.Jameson: Cost effectiveness...an overrated concept. I don't care how much money you save. If it doesn't work...
Ciryandor: Yes. I see the Avro Arrow still getting cancelled. As for the TSR-2, it's too early to tell but probably. The YB-49 still manages to go nowhere, although the Smithsonian does manage to obtain one for its' collection.
c0d5579: Wow.
Kurt_Steiner: Good thing I have been researching all those techs.
We'll see.
You'll see.
I don't know. I am not militarily geeky.
oJ.J.Jameson: I mentioned the Joint Chiefs back in 1958.
Kurt_Steiner: Oh, come on. Give Johnson a chance, Kurt. It's not like he's running a war or anything.
trekaddict: You won't be seeing McNamara at all in this AAR.
H.Appleby: He also makes things interesting.
c0d5579: Yup.
trekaddict: Ah. Nothing about a war I see.
c0d5579: It sounds like I need to put a few butterflies into airplane design.
Kurt_Steiner: Out of pride?
Asalto: Sadly so.
J.J.Jameson: Cost effectiveness...an overrated concept. I don't care how much money you save. If it doesn't work...
Ciryandor: Yes. I see the Avro Arrow still getting cancelled. As for the TSR-2, it's too early to tell but probably. The YB-49 still manages to go nowhere, although the Smithsonian does manage to obtain one for its' collection.
c0d5579: Wow.
Kurt_Steiner: Good thing I have been researching all those techs.
In hindsight, I think Disney should build his new amusement park at least somewhere in the Mid-Atlantic (MD/DE/VA/WV), because at least it's between the Northeast states and the South. Anywhere within these states, I'm open to any suggestions.
hoi2geek: On a side note, I think Japan should build an amusement park. You know, something big to entertain all those people who live there. It could have a giant clock tower in the middle with a large pendulum swinging inside.
I found Soviet Disney. If not we can always trim our hair in accordance with the Socialist Lifestyle (wait no DPRK TTL damn). That cartoon is like a communist Dr. Seuss, or just Dr. Seuss
That does not even begin to do the sheer strangeness of that cartoon justice. I half expected the pink elephants from Dumbo to make a cameo.
EDIT: I found a stranger one. It stars a Russian guy named Captain Pronin, which I'm going to assume is Russian for "Duke Nukem" and he fights gangsters, in America, seriously. It's like you mixed one of those "Muzzy" cartoons, Bevis and Butthead, some unreleased work from one of those Legend of Zelda CD games and the friggin' Godfather and then watched that while high. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DSO54E43YU&feature=related
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I'd ask for subtitles for that second one but even if it had them I still wouldn't understand what the hell it was about
EDIT: Now I have that "Captain Pronin: Superstar" song stuck in my head.
EDIT: Now I have that "Captain Pronin: Superstar" song stuck in my head.
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H.Appleby: OMG! That's like a really bad '80s cartoon.
Undead-Hippie: I can see why Nikita was such a fan of Disney.
Undead-Hippie: I can see why Nikita was such a fan of Disney.