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((With 78% of the vote going Republican, the Federals better hope like a dozen progressives sign up soon; is this the most decisive election we've had? This could be bigger than the National Union vs. SNP))
 

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((With 78% of the vote going Republican, the Federals better hope like a dozen progressives sign up soon; is this the most decisive election we've had? This could be bigger than the National Union vs. SNP))

OOC: Why?
 

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((With 78% of the vote going Republican, the Federals better hope like a dozen progressives sign up soon; is this the most decisive election we've had? This could be bigger than the National Union vs. SNP))

((I wouldn't call that election "Decisive" despite the landslide National Union victory given that the SNP accomplished all of its legislative goals despite never electing a president.))
 

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My, how things have changed since 1912... Referring to Terrance as an Emperor, then, only twelve years later, moving away from his principled, if misguided, view, into one political of opportunism. If he wants to support the man who lead us to war in Europe, and apparently, by his own admission, has been weak on economic issues, then fine, but this coalition, which seems bound to fail, is already built on a weak, divided foundation.

I am certain he would like to believe the placating assurances that Terrance has given him, but if France or Britain call us to war, will he heed that call, just as he did in 1913? If he does, he breaks his promise to Americans not to get us in a war we would be waging needlessly, and would never be able to fulfill his economic and social goals. If he doesn't, then he challenges the legitimacy of joining the Great War a dozen years ago.

Shockingly, Mister Jarvis, things have indeed changed since 1912. It was once very productive for me to stand on the outskirts of the political debate, hurling rhetorical firebombs to move the discussion away from jingoism and economic compromise, as I tried to shape the debate between two moderate parties. Unfortunately, the Republican Party no longer stands for moderation in any respect.

The Republican Party now stands as a racist, anti-worker, pro-business, total-isolationist entity seeking to raise up the moneyed elite over the average citizen, dismantle public infrastructure and the welfare state, and keep black Americans unrepresented and repressed. In fact, Mister Jarvis, I can thank your efforts as President for helping my Progressive Party to find common ground with our Federal coalition partners. You single-handedly destroyed any prospect of a League of Nations, sapped the government of much-needed funds for things like roads and old-age pensions with your deceptive and elitist 'flat tax', abandoned efforts at repealing Jim Crow after you thought it might be too hard to get your ridiculous economic plan passed if you bothered to stand up for anyone who wasn't a millionaire, and did nothing to create an American League. You broke almost every single campaign promise you ever made; the only thing you bothered passing was your plan to dismantle the federal government, which hadn't featured prominently in any of your campaigning. You are, by any reasonable measure, a failed President and entirely responsible for the radicalization of your Republican Party.

I have had my differences with T.H. Terrance in the past and I will likely continue to do so as his Vice-President. But I believe he will stand up for an America that is free and fair, not an anarcho-capitalist nightmare where the voices of the minority are suppressed and the working man is kept in perpetual poverty while the rich continue to benefit. I believe that, together, we can create a better America, and oppose the voices of reaction and selfishness that seek to bring down our great welfare state.

Also, I would like to note that I was referring to Mister Terrance as the Emperor's lapdog, not the Emperor himself; that was Harrison. It was a fine piece of fiery rhetoric and I don't appreciate being misquoted.
 

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((With 78% of the vote going Republican, the Federals better hope like a dozen progressives sign up soon; is this the most decisive election we've had? This could be bigger than the National Union vs. SNP))

((Yeah, it's like a bunch of Republicans suddenly rejoined the thread after the heady scent of Jim Crow made itself known. The last election had exactly six votes and was won by Golden Vote. Thread participation is down in general, we just don't have the advantage of people seeing the Civil War Round 2 and thinking "man, standing up for the rights of minorities sounds really good right about now".))
 

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As head of socialist Labor I would like to merge my party with Mr. Sullivans progressives, and cast my support for the federalist coalition.
 
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((Wow Republican revolution much? Once we get to the great depression though it will be interesting to see if this new conservative movement fractures.
 

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((Leeroy bold your vote so BBB sees it, and thanks for your support I think we need it.))

((I wouldn't call that election "Decisive" despite the landslide National Union victory given that the SNP accomplished all of its legislative goals despite never electing a president.))

((Because Cameron let you more than anything, that particular election and the one that followed it were barely elections, similar to the 1918 election in Britain or the Democratic-Republican monopoly of the early 1800s.))
 

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((Because Cameron let you more than anything, that particular election and the one that followed it were barely elections, similar to the 1918 election in Britain or the Democratic-Republican monopoly of the early 1800s.))

((Hey, give Davis some credit too. Sure Cameron was willing to work with the SNP in return for concessions on slavery & militia's and enabled the legislation, but the SNP & Ex-SNP had established de-facto southern autonomy by COMP 1856. Essentially what I'm saying is that while the Whigs were extremely succesful in presidential elections in the 1836-1856 period and won all but one most whig initiatives were stymied whereas most SNP initiatives were succesfull..))
 

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I supported Civil Rights; a bill was passed only recently, and Jim Crow is not only a Republican issue; it has found support in some Federal circles. Since the income of the worker, and indeed their general standard of living has skyrocketed. I am not, and have never been pro-business; I am pro-capitalist, which is much more pro-consumer than economic regulations that ultimately impede growth and progress. On being isolationist, I support free trade, negotiating with other nations; however, I fail to see any reason to get ourselves involved in needless wars, or put ourselves in a position to be called to war, as you and Terrance seem to think internationalism is (really that idea is warmongering and a soft form of imperialism, but will lead to the expansion of the military industrial complex all the same).

If my flat tax is 'elitist,' then explain why everyone's taxes were reduced, and explain to me why, when the poor are already seeing vast improvement, we need to raise taxes and use government power to slow growth, or cause a recession? Infrastructure can, and should, be handled on a state or private level, and we have continued to help states in certain, limited cases. And most social reforms were only reformed to make them more effective, and this time of economic growth, people can, and should, save their own money (which they can with the lower taxes I put in place).

The only reason I stopped pushing so hard for civil rights (though I did make more progress than practically any president since Williams and, to a lesser degree, Jamous) was that no one supported my moves; the Federals were silent on the issue, and the Southern Republicans opposed any measures. The American League, however, became a secondary concern with my push for civil rights, supporting voting reform, and pushing for my economic reform. However, Latin America has, by and large, settled down, and I hope that such a League can be made in the near future.

You say the poor are perpetually poor; that is simply not the case. The vast majority of poor are doing better than before, certainly much better than they did under Terrance, when they were drafted into fighting a European war. Under my administration, there has been cultural, economic, and industrial growth; under Terrance, there was tyranny, governmental expansionism, hawkishness, and economic stagnation (that growth people want to claim happened under him, did not, as anything produced was created to destroy growth). The rich benefit, yes, but all Americans have prospered under my administration, and if we keep the government out of their lives, we can hopefully keep that prosperity going.

And I apologize for the misquote; I thought you were referring to the Democrats as the lapdogs with Terrance being the Emperor; though in either case you were correct.
 

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((Well with the Republicans Winning the greatest landslide in a century, I think this one is decided. When is BBB planning to call this one?))

((BTW, for all the fuss I made over the CSA Gov. trials back when I was Samuel L. Davis I can't believe I missed something massive, By declaring Seccesion unconstitutional 20 years after the military defeat of the SRCSA the Federal Government created an Ex Post-Facto law, something the founders found so reprehensible that they put it literally in the notoriously vague constitution "shall make no bill of attainder or Ex Post Facto Law." I wonder If I should write a "Lost Cause" little something extra about that....))
 

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Nice one Projekt. Just remember that, though my wording seems to have made it look like the SRCSA gov. was on trial for secession, the accused's charges were rebellion against the United States and conspiracy to commit it. The argument was merely over whether secession was actually illegal, and thus fell within the scope of these crimes.

Also:

The Polls are closed.

With a 7-3 margin, John T. Sherman will be the next President of the Republic.
 
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Congratulations, Mr Sherman. May I remind you I have been waiting for an opportunity to regain my post as ambassador, to serve my nation with might and loyalty!
 

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Congratulations to our President Sherman, I wish you well and I humbly request that my petition to become head of the FBI is granted.
 

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Congratulations to our President Sherman, I wish you well and I humbly request that my petition to become head of the FBI is granted.

Unfortunately, the position of Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation is currently occupied by Anderson Savage, who is essentially as powerful as J. Edgar Hoover, and he won't retire until 1933.
 

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Unfortunately, the position of Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation is currently occupied by Anderson Savage, who is essentially as powerful as J. Edgar Hoover, and he won't retire until 1933.

Then I request a Position as Attorney General, rather than the one I was offered by President-elect Sherman Earlier.