The Presidents: 1836-1936 - An Interactive US AAR

[Revan529]

It's far too much government control in the market! I've had trouble with this and this forces wage controls in private businesses!

As well, that 'allotted amount' concerns me greatly. It goes along the lines of 'oh, this is what we'll let you keep, since this is actually our money, not yours...'

 

[BigBadBob]

The Fair Pay Act has most commendable basic intentions. It is true that the employer-employee wage gap should not become too wide, however, the Fair Pay Act is far too draconian a measure.

I could maybe support the 1st article, if the maximum ratio were much, much larger than 2 to 3. In fact, how about instead of imposing arbitrary ratios of pay, we create a minimum wage. It is much better for everyone to know that one must be paid a reasonable wage than it is to know that one's employer is almost equally miserable.

The other two force government on business in a way that is absolutely unacceptable. Sections Two and Three propose not government intervention, but essentially government takeover of the affected businesses. American interventionism is based on working in the best interests of society and business as far as possible. Sections Two and Three are in the best interests of neither.

Therefore, should the Fair Pay Act ever reach the Resolute Desk while I am president, I will veto it.

((To clarify, I am not striking the bill down, Harrison is expressing his view on it)).

 

[King50000]

((BBB, if you merge the Democrats and Federalists together, consider my past "Yes" into a "No."
And now everyone thinks they can become a successful businessman, I'm going back to the military.......
Good think Jamous-Khur Works is still roaring and going ))

 

[Seek75]

((For the record, Calvin's just been somewhat of a nobody who hasn't really been doing anything. ))

 

[Syriana]

After further consideration, I withdraw my candidacy for the Democratic nomination and pledge my support to Mr Harrison.

- Anton Maxim

 

[yourworstnightm]

I consider the bill mr. Walsh is presenting very interesting, but I'd have to do some more research before I can decide whether I back it or not.

 

[Avindian]

I have decided to introduce this bill to congress. I hope it will pass, and encourage all Democrats to vote for it.

The Fair Pay Act

1. A shareholder of a business, whether he owns 100% or 1%, may not earn more than three dollars annually for each two dollars his lowest-paid full-time worker is paid annually.

2. If he does earn more than the allotted amount, he must invest it within two weeks in new equipment or buildings. These must be entirely us to aid production of goods for the company.

3. The company must increase their wage budget, either by hiring more workers, increasing wages for existing workers, or both, to account for the surplus.

Thsi bill will increase the investment Mr. Jarvis claims capitalists use their money for, and increase jobs and wages. I defy anyone to find any economic or social reason not to implement this.

Senator Walsh, I cannot imagine your bill would be very popular. Frankly, I would consider it unconstitutional. I am grateful that President Harrison sees wisdom, and I hope nobody else supports this.

 

[yourworstnightm]

After reading through the bill carefully I am sorry to say I can't back it. It seems to kill enterprising, and turn us right back to the monopolies where medium sized industries can't compete with the industries owned by the criminal robber barons.

 

[Syriana]

I must also respectfully disagree with the bill proposed by Senator Walsh, though I can sympathise with its aims. This bill appears to me an attempt to dictate consumer behaviour through public policy, which would undermine the spirit of capitalism and economic liberty. Moreover, the stipulations placed on revenue from shares would have dire consequences for the stock market. I would also have to second Mr Garret's opinion that the bill is unconstitutional, as it violates the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments of the United States Constitution, specifically that the State should not "deprive any person of life, liberty, or property" without due process and also the freedom of contract enshrined in the latter amendment.

- Anton Maxim

 

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"While the intentions behind the Fair Pay Act are commendable, I must concur with President Harrison's objection that it is too draconian. A less far reaching bill might strike the necessary balance to pass Congress and receive the Presidents signature."

-Representative Erica Hayden-Vallejo

 

[unmerged(432017)]

"My fellow Americans.
If the horrors of the Devine Massacre's have taught us anything it is that business's can't be trusted to alone secure the rights of their workers or be expected to not resort to violence and barbarism when the worker's standup for themselves.
In order to solve this problem I propose the creation of the Department of Union Rights
The department would have 3 main duties
1.Make sure companies are providing their worker's with a safe and sanitary work-place
2. Ensure corporations don't use local authorities, or hired "thugs" to break strikes and intimidate unions.
3.Negotiate between Unions and Corporations in labor disputes
((Can we put this to a vote))

 

[unmerged(129317)]

"My fellow Americans.
If the horrors of the Devine Massacre's have taught us anything it is that business's can't be trusted to alone secure the rights of their workers or be expected to not resort to violence and barbarism when the worker's standup for themselves.
In order to solve this problem I propose the creation of the Department of Union Rights
The department would have 3 main duties
1.Make sure companies are providing their worker's with a safe and sanitary work-place
2. Ensure corporations don't use local authorities, or hired "thugs" to break strikes and intimidate unions.
3.Negotiate between Unions and Corporations in labor disputes
((Can we put this to a vote))

((I implemented a national board to do this during the first term of my Presidency.))

 

[Mikeboy]

It has become clear that doing business in these United States freely and fairly is no longer possible, the 'Fair Pay Act' is just one manifestation of that. Therefore I am forced to move myself and my assets to somewhere more friendly to those who create wealth. I shall very soon be emigrating to the United Kingdom.

((This is essentially the end of this character))

 

[unmerged(129317)]

It has become clear that doing business in these United States freely and fairly is no longer possible, the 'Fair Pay Act' is just one manifestation of that. Therefore I am forced to move myself and my assets to somewhere more friendly to those who create wealth. I shall very soon be emigrating to the United Kingdom.

((This is essentially the end of this character))

"Mr. Orleans, I wish you well in your endeavors in our former colonial masters and the worlds foremost imperialist. It makes sense you would prefer monarchy to the republic."

- Representative Erica Hayden-Vallejo

 

[WelshDude]

((I've edited the ratio to three dollars to one. Also, Syriana, we never had a fourteenth amendment in this.))

The Fifth Amendment states that (I paraphrase) "no person may be deprived of life, liberty or property, without due compensation". I would find it very hard to say the shareholder were deprived of property, since they are in fact spending money to gain more property, and impossible to argue it was without due compensation. I find it far easier to argue that the shareholders were deprieving their worker's life without due compensation, on the other hand.

 

[Avindian]

Is there no worthy gentleman willing to step up for an ACP nomination?

 

[Syriana]

With due respect, Senator, the text reads: "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law". That is to say, that Congress cannot legislate on such matters; it must be reserved for the judiciary. The line you are referring to is: "nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation". As such, it is my opinion that the bill is unconstitutional, or at the very least must be referred to the Supreme Court for interpretation.

- Anton Maxim

 

[Revan529]

I am very reluctant to do so, as I feel I should continue serving the people of California... I may however, if only to give the American people a free market candidate...

 

[Mikeboy]

Name: Thomas Hill Terrance
Born: 1871
Party: Federal
Description: Born in Philadelphia to a middle class family T.H. Terrance as he was commonly known spent his late teens and 20's in the Navy, in which he travelled to the far east as part of a trade mission. After he left the military in 1899 he sought to enter politics so he could champion his views on economics, which were mostly based on those of President Cameron; that free markets and free trade is the only sustainable economic policy, however wealth redistribution and social welfare is also possible without infringing upon that. He disliked both the socialist idea of the state controlled economy and the ACP idea of a monopolist controlled economy once famously saying "The role of the state is like that of a good father; to regulate and set boundaries, but not to dominate and constrain." He would win his first political office in 1900 becoming mayor of Philadelphia for the Federal Party.

 

[WelshDude]

With due respect, Senator, the text reads: "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law". That is to say, that Congress cannot legislate on such matters; it must be reserved for the judiciary. The line you are referring to is: "nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation". As such, it is my opinion that the bill is unconstitutional, or at the very least must be referred to the Supreme Court for interpretation.

- Anton Maxim

It is my personal belief that there is no more due process of law than the power of an elected assembly : Congress. However, I shall await interpretation from the Supreme Court, and whether I like it's verdict or not, I will stand by the verdict.