This is government "by the people, for the people" and, ACP or not, you are one of the people. I look forward to potentially working with you.
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This is government "by the people, for the people" and, ACP or not, you are one of the people. I look forward to potentially working with you.
((I think the current rule is that you also need to go to your first post and edit it saying that you've changed the vote. This way, BBB doesn't accidentally record a vote one way then see this post and have to go back and figure out which way the vote needs to go now. (It's not so bad if just one person does it, but if you get a lot of folks changing votes, it gets confusing))
((Callahan got elected on a unity ticket with the Federals and the vote was 12-4 in his favor and ever since I've been paranoid of coalitions. Therefore, Callahan Syndrome.))
My friend, I can appreciate this mythos about the self-made man; it seems fundamentally true as we should believe that all men are equal, however, it is patently false. The truth is that very few men ever achieve this rise from "rags-to-riches". Most people in society remain in the class they were born into, with people more likely to descend, than ascend, the ladder. What will allow each man to display his natural talents and become an innovator is if each man has the equal opportunity of education and experience. The education and experience which the children of the wealthy are born into give them incredible advantages in the realm of success, advantages bestowed solely from birth, not the merit of which the ACP are such advocates.
I dont disagree with the importance of a public education, I simply disagreed with the punishment of those innovators who were in fact self made, and have formed companies from this dream which are net benefits for the nation.
But, I believe we already have every single social improvement available as ordained by fate (We have every single social reform, perhaps we need to add some fake ones for Role playing reasons?)
But, I believe we already have every single social improvement available as ordained by fate (We have every single social reform, perhaps we need to add some fake ones for Role playing reasons?)
One PM vote from Die Rote Fahne for Hayden/Harrison.
Score is at 12:9 in favor of Hayden/Harrison.
Score is at 12:9 in favor of Hayden/Harrison.
((BBB said several of the social's can still be upgraded.))
As I have stated, most of these "self-made men" are not, indeed, self-made. Most of them had the advantage of wealth, a starting point well above that of the common man. I merely seek to even the playing field and allow all people to display their true potential in society.
We've had two cases, if memory serves, where for one reason or another a person has been unable to post on the thread. Likely a technical issue.
((It is really paradoxical if you think about it, but as a conservative he supports public order over anything, so that is why he voted democrat, to restore the economic prosperity of the US. Many conservatives voted for FDR, even though they had different ideologies and Roosevelt was seen as socialist like. It was to save the country, and I see the democrat candidate as an early FDR ))
((Were doomed! DOOMED I tell yee! They can't win!
You cant take my factories! I'll defend them with my pitchfork!))
You cant take my factories! I'll defend them with my pitchfork!))
((Since I don't really have anything to add to a debate here, I'll finish off an old friend...))
January 3, 1897
We received word from the Jarvis family that the elderly family patriarch, Henry James Jarvis has died. He was found in his bed, dead from a heart attack. Over the last few years, his health had been in significant decline; indeed, he had rarely been seen since his retirement from politics in 1890. There has been no official statement from his grandson, Governor Joseph P. Jarvis (R-Ca), though we are expecting one for tomorrow's paper. He was ninety-four.
Henry Jarvis was born in Boston, Massachusetts, on April 24, 1802, to Charles A. Jarvis, a successful businessman and Revolutionary War veteran, and Elizabeth Adams-Jarvis, a distant relative to Presidents John Adams and John Q. Adams. As a young college student (attending Harvard), he became influenced by the liberals and abolitionists, and soon became a staunch supporter of a free market and a free nation. After graduating, he joined his father's business. When the Texan War of Independence began, he, and a few friends and associates, volunteered and headed to San Antonio, where they constantly harassed Mexican patrols. Becoming a strong force in the War, he was chosen to be the Secretary of State for the new Texas Republic. In this capacity, he was instrumental in getting Texas into the United States as a free state. He then ran for Lt. Governor, but was driven out by pro-slavery groups after Texas was allowed to become a slave state. He arrived in California in 1840, and by 1842, he became a force for pro-American immigrants.
When the Mexican-American war broke out, he and other pro-American leaders, formed the California Union Militia, with Jarvis as commander in chief. Shortly after beating the main Mexican force in the region, they declared the Republic of California, with Jarvis as Governor (he chose that office rather than president), and applied for statehood. With the war going on, the Congress could not review the bill, so California joined as a territory, with Jarvis remaining governor. His governorship was, until Oliver Glynne, the longest in California history (1842-1854). With his term over, he ran, and easily, won a California Senate seat. His biggest achievement was getting his Indian Citizenship Bill passed with broad support.
In 1872, the seventy year old Senator announced his candidacy for President. Despite strong showings, he was unable best the popular general, Maximilian Mandrake (R-Oh). To better unify the party, Jarvis was made Vice-President. The term was uneventful overall, and Mandrake opted out of running for a second term, instead endorsing his aging Vice-President. Jarvis, now the oldest candidate running, handily beat his longtime ally Calvin Carr (who was also recently beaten for the ACP nomination at age 70) and chose him be Vice-President. Jarvis-Carr was beaten by social democrat Eamon Callahan in a coalition ticket. With this defeat, he worked to become a Justice for the California Supreme Court. Jarvis would once again seek the nomination, at age 78, in 1880. This defeat marked the last attempt by Jarvis for the presidency.
Jarvis spent the last decade of his political career in marked silence, dedicated wholly to California, becoming Chief Justice in 1881. A the age of ninety, Jarvis announced his retirement, right as his grandson began his first moves for Governor.
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VICE-PRESIDENT JARVIS DEAD
VICE-PRESIDENT JARVIS DEAD
January 3, 1897
We received word from the Jarvis family that the elderly family patriarch, Henry James Jarvis has died. He was found in his bed, dead from a heart attack. Over the last few years, his health had been in significant decline; indeed, he had rarely been seen since his retirement from politics in 1890. There has been no official statement from his grandson, Governor Joseph P. Jarvis (R-Ca), though we are expecting one for tomorrow's paper. He was ninety-four.
Henry Jarvis was born in Boston, Massachusetts, on April 24, 1802, to Charles A. Jarvis, a successful businessman and Revolutionary War veteran, and Elizabeth Adams-Jarvis, a distant relative to Presidents John Adams and John Q. Adams. As a young college student (attending Harvard), he became influenced by the liberals and abolitionists, and soon became a staunch supporter of a free market and a free nation. After graduating, he joined his father's business. When the Texan War of Independence began, he, and a few friends and associates, volunteered and headed to San Antonio, where they constantly harassed Mexican patrols. Becoming a strong force in the War, he was chosen to be the Secretary of State for the new Texas Republic. In this capacity, he was instrumental in getting Texas into the United States as a free state. He then ran for Lt. Governor, but was driven out by pro-slavery groups after Texas was allowed to become a slave state. He arrived in California in 1840, and by 1842, he became a force for pro-American immigrants.
When the Mexican-American war broke out, he and other pro-American leaders, formed the California Union Militia, with Jarvis as commander in chief. Shortly after beating the main Mexican force in the region, they declared the Republic of California, with Jarvis as Governor (he chose that office rather than president), and applied for statehood. With the war going on, the Congress could not review the bill, so California joined as a territory, with Jarvis remaining governor. His governorship was, until Oliver Glynne, the longest in California history (1842-1854). With his term over, he ran, and easily, won a California Senate seat. His biggest achievement was getting his Indian Citizenship Bill passed with broad support.
In 1872, the seventy year old Senator announced his candidacy for President. Despite strong showings, he was unable best the popular general, Maximilian Mandrake (R-Oh). To better unify the party, Jarvis was made Vice-President. The term was uneventful overall, and Mandrake opted out of running for a second term, instead endorsing his aging Vice-President. Jarvis, now the oldest candidate running, handily beat his longtime ally Calvin Carr (who was also recently beaten for the ACP nomination at age 70) and chose him be Vice-President. Jarvis-Carr was beaten by social democrat Eamon Callahan in a coalition ticket. With this defeat, he worked to become a Justice for the California Supreme Court. Jarvis would once again seek the nomination, at age 78, in 1880. This defeat marked the last attempt by Jarvis for the presidency.
Jarvis spent the last decade of his political career in marked silence, dedicated wholly to California, becoming Chief Justice in 1881. A the age of ninety, Jarvis announced his retirement, right as his grandson began his first moves for Governor.
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((They probably don't have a Pdox serial so got locked out of the forums after a few days.))
EDIT: ((End of an era. The Jarvis is dead! Long live the Jarvis!))
((Well, his grandson is still around, is a governor, and is fairly young, so don't get excited 
When I read 'The Jarvis is Dead Long live the Jarvis!' I stated laughing... brilliant! And that is the reason I like this AAR))
When I read 'The Jarvis is Dead Long live the Jarvis!' I stated laughing... brilliant! And that is the reason I like this AAR
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((Well, his grandson is still around, is a governor, and is fairly young, so don't get excited
When I read 'The Jarvis is Dead Long live the Jarvis!' I stated laughing... brilliant! And that is the reason I like this AAR
((No, seriously, some of these family dynasties remind me of The Doctor. Just a change of face, but everything else remains the same, including the demeanor of a grumpy old man in your case, lol.))
((Actually, i think it's worse with this guy, because has really gotten bigger, and it just leaves him stymied... poor guy, he's never happy... I have to agree with you though, our characters rarely change, if at all...))
((Mine do. I had a Liberal Reublican from California, then Hayden. And in SotA I had a Nationalist and now a Communist.))