The Presidents: 1836-1936 - An Interactive US AAR

[Lyly]

Jimmy Nigthmore

((I think you mean Joe Hayden, Jimmy Nightmore is not a candidate in the election. Also, you're supposed to bold your vote.))

((EDIT - Saw your post below. Sorry about that! I wasn't quite sure what you had meant with the post.))

((It wouldn't make sense to lose in game with the current atmosphere, though I suppose that's the difference between having an actual electorate and a bunch of uber-wealthy narcissists.))

((America's never been a real democracy, there's no reason to pretend it is for the sake of the game.

Of course, if we really wanted to play fairly, we'd use the election system in the game itself. We would have our own primaries and vote on bills and things, but the parties in Congress and in the White House would be elected by the game since it's a better simulator of the consciousness of the people than we are.))

 

[yourworstnightm]

((I think you mean Joe Hayden, Jimmy Nightmore is not a candidate in the election. Also, you're supposed to bold your vote.))

I have already voted. That was just my signature. I was trying to get people to vote for Hayden and Harrison.

 

[WelshDude]

Of course, if we really wanted to play fairly, we'd use the election system in the game itself. We would have our own primaries and vote on bills and things, but the parties in Congress and in the White House would be elected by the game since it's a better simulator of the consciousness of the people than we are.

I've had that idea for ages. Someone else was just bound to come up with it, I suppose.

 

[komisha]

((It's too easy to predict the winner. Most Democratic countries in Vic2 have rather monotonous periods of government.
I am curious as to how BBB removed the ingame election cycle, if indeed that's what he did; I personally find it a good reason not to allow voting when I play...))

 

[Lyly]

((It's too easy to predict the winner. Most Democratic countries in Vic2 have rather monotonous periods of government.
I am curious as to how BBB removed the ingame election cycle, if indeed that's what he did; I personally find it a good reason not to allow voting when I play...))

((I usually (as the US anyway) ignore what the game says for the first few election cycles, but after a while, it becomes dynamic enough that I allow it to determine elections and the policies of the winning party is what I go with. I find it's easy enough to manipulate the process to make a real contest of things while also being unpredictable and random enough to not be determined exclusively by the player.

In any case, this is just a game in which we're trying to make up a story, so it's no matter.))

 

[BigBadBob]

I just allowed democracies to appoint the ruling party.

 

[Seek75]

I find it's easy enough to manipulate the process to make a real contest of things while also being unpredictable and random enough to not be determined exclusively by the player.

Because that's totally democratic, right?[/endsarcasm]

 

[unmerged(129317)]

Because that's totally democratic, right?[/endsarcasm]

((I believe he was talking about Vicky II's election mechanics.))

 

[Mikeboy]

((9-8 now by my count, still to Orleans.))

 

[roy_mustang]

This may well be the most bizarre choice I have ever had to make. However, it seems clear to me that the only party that is not willing to throw the country totally to the highest or the lowest classes is the Federal Party. As such, despite my distaste for Comrade Joe, I must cast my vote for the Hayden/Harrison ticket.

 

[Revan529]

This 'trust-busting' as they wish to call it, is highly dangerous and harmful to this nation. Not only did Harrison unlawfully dictate businesses, he didn't even resolve the problem, simply let the captains of industry reshuffle a bit! Hayden has grossly expanded governmental power, and his policies will lead to an even bigger crash in the future!

Richard Orleans is the only candidate who would at least attempt to free the market from these overburdening regulations. He would restore economic prosperity through competition, through freedom, rather than picking the winners and losers as Hayden and Harrison have done!

 

[unmerged(347468)]

((Bah! I can't stand these liberal radicals. I'll continue to stand with Khur and make sure my vote counts this time!))

Orleans! Orleans! Orleans! Forward to victory!! Mwahhhaaa!!!!!

 

[zagoroth]

Who are you calling a liberal radical? I see no representation of the liberal ideology in this election.

 

[unmerged(252567)]

So the leisure class lead by one vote once more.

Producing classes of all varieties, come out and vote for limited government under Hayden and Harrison. They know that advantages derived from government are what created these fortunes, and that the government has a Constitutional duty to not allow these government-derived powers to be unlimited in the way they are used against the people of this country.

If you believe in limited government, you will vote to limit the monopolies which only exist because of the sufferance of the government, not because they have a constitutional right to exist - which they do not.

It is men like Orleans, Jarvis, and their set who believe in absolute power, unlimited government, the power of the state and state-derived institutions such as capital to control Americans' lives. It is President Hayden and Mr. Harrison who want you to run your own lives and keep what you make, not have what you make taken from you by Mr.Orleans!

 

[unmerged(347468)]

Who are you calling a liberal radical? I see no representation of the liberal ideology in this election.

((liberals, socialists, apes, there all the same! And I can't stand any of then! Sound the horns! Beat the drums! It's time to win the war! Haaaahaaaa!))

 

[zagoroth]

Ah, I believe I understand the honorable Senator William VIII Orange...

 

[Spitfire5793]

((It seems he has gone slightly mad ))

 

[Revan529]

I support absolute power? How can you make such a claim! I want to shrink government, hand power over to the people and the states, and return to the government of our founders (not reactionary, simply a good model for us to follow). It is the socialists, the 'trust-busters,' and their ilk that seek to expand government, and if say otherwise ((you're a daft git!)) you have ignored the past few decades!

Mr. Taggarman, they just don't understand true liberals like us... they hear the term and associate it with these progressives, interventionists, and socialists; perhaps, one day, our ideals will see a return to popularity...

 

[WelshDude]

Richard Orleans is the only candidate who would at least attempt to free the market from these overburdening regulations. He would restore economic prosperity through competition, through freedom, rather than picking the winners and losers as Hayden and Harrison have done!

"Picking winners and losers". The winners and losers have already been picked! Do you seriously think the monopolies are going to voluntarily breakup? "Restore economic prosperity through competition" the only way there is ever going to be competition is if we destroy these monopolies once and for all! "Free the market once and for all" the market has been doing fantastic, hasn't it?

 

[Revan529]

If the government stopped propping up these monopolies, we would see competition return. These government regulations naturally favour the monopolies of businessmen allied to politicians. Do you think the weak regulations of Harrison would fix the problem? Would Hayden's massive spending policies? They are weakening our economy!

Under King, the market was strong, under every free marketer, we saw growth, or the beginning of an economic recovery, save Davis. His case is the exception in that he came to office just prior to the crash, which was caused by the interventionist policies of presidents past!