The Presidents: 1836-1936 - An Interactive US AAR

[William the III]

I for one agree with the republicans on this matter. How can we intrude on the freedom of the trade and enterprise and say that we are defending the rights of the workers. If naything we are oppressing them more by making it more difficult to raise their position in life. We can not stand for this blatant intrusion into the affairs of the economy. We must oppose this. I am deeply disapointed in the new leaders of the this nation and in the members of my party.
-Rep. Leo

 

[Tanya | Tokryva]

I cannot stand idly by while the Republican Party gets slandered into the ground by the winners of this election. Congratulations on winning the elections, but you do not have to kick a dog when it is already down, that is just degrading and detestable.

As for this Second Bill of Rights, it will never get through the entire ratification process, there will be too much opposition against it, be it in the House, the Senate or all the State Legislatures, there will be enough voices that will not get this passed. Even if every new amendment gets broken up into separate proposals, it is still too controversial to pass them through. None of the proposed amendments will ever get past the States. ((And to be honest, even though women's suffrage is the most likely to actually get through, we are still in a male dominated mindset in the US. Mostly because of changes in work and lifestyle of the Progressive age did women suffrage movements become stronger; so wait until after BBB's character gets a shot at the Presidency ))

When we look at the Bill of Rights, it was needed to get the Constitution amended at all. If there weren't any promises made that the eventually 10 amendments from the Bill of Rights would be proposed and ratified, most states would not have voted in favor, and our glorious nation would not have even existed. To further iterate on the Constitution, one of the most important amendments is number X or 10. I quote: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." The States have the final say if Amendments get ratified, and none of the proposed 6 will ever be ratified by the necessary 75% of all States.

Now, I am not here to criticize the actual proposal, I just want to let you know that you will get a lot more done if you focus energy, legislation and government towards different goals.

 

[William the III]

I would also like to make aware to mr. Khur that I present myself for the assistant sec. of state position.

 

[zagoroth]

(This just in, we Republicans can predict the future. Cue in The Twilight Zone music)

 

[Revan529]

((Henry Jarvis, former vice-president of the United States... born 1802, died (static), is about to go on a journey through... the Twilight Zone...

It's true, I have the power of prophesy; told you all to vote for me!!!))

 

[unmerged(252567)]

(( Numerically speaking, I would believe that the Callahan victory means that if it put up to a referendum vote, the Second Bill of Rights will pass. You can't just dictate policy by declaring something to have too much opposition, if that opposition does not truly exist. ))

 

[King50000]

((Once BBB shows the nationwide statistics for this election, it will show we have more then the necessary 75% needed to pass the new Bill of Rights. So sorry Republicans, but it looks like your long legacy of mudslinging has finally come to an end And Chimina, women's suffrage has already passed a looong time ago, so I define your entire logic as wrong We win once again))

Give up the ghost members of the Republican party, you may talk loud and tough, but the people have spoken, and they have said of how tired they are with your ridiculous policies. They have voted to bring the nation back to it's glory from before Mandrake took office and brought our country low. This is the Federalist-Democrat era, and nothing will stop us now. The people will side with us on the new Bill of Rights, as they are smarter than you Republicans give them credit for.

 

[William the III]

((Conservitism to the rescue!

Is it me just me or is all this moving a bit to quickly?
I real life this kinds thing didn't happen untill 1900.
And Now its time for us to kill it just like in real life.))

 

[King50000]

((Too late, we gave women the right to vote back in 1840-44, so we are sticking to it. And it was a Whig (predecessor to the Republicans) who gave women suffrage.))

 

[zagoroth]

Oye, indeed. The Republicans should be Liberal and the New Democrats conservative right now.

but I forget myself, I am a federalist who refuses to ally with the New Democrats.

 

[unmerged(252567)]

(( For the record, i have to be long-winded: I'm playing a William Jennings Bryan expy! heheh ))

 

[King50000]

Oye, indeed. The Republicans should be Liberal and the New Democrats conservative right now.

but I forget myself, I am a federalist who refuses to ally with the New Democrats.

((We are, the Republicans are so liberal they are radical, thus they need to be liquidated. And it is impossible to the a Federalist who hates the Democrats, if we split the Republicans will come right back up like a bad rash with no ointment. And they aren't the New Democrats anymore, just Democrats per BBBs orders.))

 

[Revan529]

Is it so radical to support free markets, low taxes, low tariffs, individualism, states' rights, and peace; and oppose government intrusion, unfair taxation on one class, collectivism, statism, and war?

((Extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue -Barry Goldwater.))

 

[unmerged(252567)]

Not at all, that's why so many people voted against you. The fact that you do not allow yourself to even consider the possibility that your idea of liberty is tyranny for many Americans, never allow yourself any doubt or to care one wit about the feelings of others for what they desire in their own lives, shows your autocratic character.

No one can believe in a "majority of one" without believing in every majority of one - Even if you are as virtuous as you imagine yourself to be, if you allow your own zealousness to justify the overthrowing of popular democracy then you will be opening the flood gates for every would be tyrant. The moment one person convinced of their own righteousness can do whatever they wish, dictatorship has dawned upon a land; they will be followed by a legion of fanatics each convinced of their own right to rule.

 

[zagoroth]

or rather, so many people abstained from the election. It would seem this goes in cycles of which characters ignore the elections.

 

[Revan529]

((Well, we did so well last time, everyone probably though it was in the bag, so they didn't bother showing up. Those who did were discouraged by our low numbers, and psychologically, saw an inevitable defeat... of course that is only me blathering on, and probably isn't true... or is it ))

 

[King50000]

or rather, so many people abstained from the election. It would seem this goes in cycles of which characters ignore the elections.

((Proof? Names of those abstained?))

 

[atomicsoda]

Perhaps it may be better to split the 2nd Bill of Rights into seperate Bills. One Bill will contain the political rights and the other the economic proposals. Personally while I support the constitutional ban on a poll tax and the political rights, I do not think we out to put the vague economic rights in the Constitution. I support Health Care, Education, safety regulations and the other social reforms we have but believe that the legislative process is the best place to handle those issues rather than a Constitutional Amendment that will be subject to endless legal battles over its meaning for decades to come.

Joseph Walker

 

[Devotist]

It may be best to do so, Mr. Walker.

((Also, you know the Republican Party lost a huge percentage when it only got 4 votes this time and at least twice that last time, with no internal splits. I am disappointed in the lack of will this election cycle. :sad)

 

[Avindian]

It may be best to do so, Mr. Walker.

((Also, you know the Republican Party lost a huge percentage when it only got 4 votes this time and at least twice that last time, with no internal splits. I am disappointed in the lack of will this election cycle. :sad)

((I honestly think it's the whole union-party ticket. I think BBB is right to stop them, for now. I can easily see the New Dems and Federalists splitting the vote, and either backing the Republicans entirely or trying to form some sort of quasi-coalition with the Republicans))