The Presidents: 1836-1936 - An Interactive US AAR

[Revan529]

And... I was as well. I merely pointed him out because he stands out. But this is finished.

Are you going to discuss the main points of that, or are you going to gripe about the defunct Whig Party?

 

[Spitfire5793]

And... I was as well. I merely pointed him out because he stands out. But this is finished.

Are you going to discuss the main points of that, or are you going to gripe about the defunct Whig Party?

Sorry, i meant the members of your current party, the republican party. But yes that is history. We should be looking at the future.

 

[Revan529]

The Republican Party did not exist prior to the war. It was borne from the National/State's Republican Party both of our originated from.

 

[King50000]

The Federalist-New Democrat Ticket shall gain my support and the support of the Khur name. It is time that we kick these Republicans out of Office once and for all.

 

[Spitfire5793]

The Republican Party did not exist prior to the war. It was borne from the National/State's Republican Party both of our originated from.

Yes but I was saying how it was handled (before and during).

 

[Revan529]

The Federalist-New Democrat Ticket shall gain my support and the support of the Khur name. It is time that we kick these Republicans out of Office once and for all.

Ah, so a one party state? That's very democratic. I do believe you are sad that your uncle's party was beaten four years ago. I can't to see the collapse of your party!

Well, Mr. Howard, once the war began, mistakes were made, by both parties. I hold no great love for either party, or great distaste, I value the constitution, and nothing else. However, once again, let us move on.

 

[King50000]

Ah, so a one party state? That's very democratic. I do believe you are sad that your uncle's party was beaten four years ago. I can't to see the collapse of your party!

Well, Mr. Howard, once the war began, mistakes were made, by both parties. I hold no great love for either party, or great distaste, I value the constitution, and nothing else. However, once again, let us move on.

Nothing in my words shows any support for a one party state. The Republicans are as dishonorable as the traitors in Cuba, and do not deserve to hold the Office of the Presidency. I made no remark about the complete dissolving of the Republican party, only that it is time that the American people took it back.

I hold no regret over the loss of the New Democrats last election. My Uncle abstained, if you will remember, and I was busy with other duties to do anything but voice support, I could not submit an actual vote. The Federalists shall not collapse, it is the Republicans who shall collapse, once the people are sick of the Republicans wishing to ignore the traitors that assassinated our great President Cameron all those years ago and how your party also now holds politicians who wish to see a re-instatement of Slavery.

 

[Revan529]

Cameron was assassinated by a madman, not the then nonexistent Confederate Government. If you were president sir, what would you do? Actually, I am curious as to what Mr. Callahan would do once he acquired the Rebels.

As well, you seem to an unabashed opponent of the Republican Party. If we don't exist, what is the other party. Another socialist, progressive, imperialist party? That is a de facto on party state. Your uncle constantly derided President Mandrake during his run. To call the millions of Americans who are Republicans traitors is a horrible statement, and shows your bigotry and ignorance.

Since most Southernors vote Democratic, I am certain your party still holds Slavery sympathies, as well.

 

[King50000]

You once again take my words and put a different meaning to them. I have not once said the Republican Party should be dissolved. You, sir, are putting words within my mouth. The people will see past your ignorance, for I have never called the Republicans traitors, and you sir have insulted the millions of people who side with the New Democrats, and the millions who still honor my Grandfather's deeds, shoes that I intend to fill. The Federalists and New Democrats hold no sympathies with Slavery what so ever, the majority of the New Democrat politicians were voted into Congress on a anti-slavery stance, and continue to voice that. We have refused entry into our party to anyone who says slavery should be allowed, something the Republicans obviously do not employ.

And you have said that us Federalists shall collapse, who do you think will fill our shoes? A Republican puppet? That would also bring about a one party state. For all your talk of being against it, you seem to support it just as ademately.

This debate is over, I will not continue to argue with one so blind to his own ignorance.

 

[Revan529]

The Republicans are as dishonorable as the traitors in Cuba, and do not deserve to hold the Office of the Presidency.
The Federalists shall not collapse, it is the Republicans who shall collapse, once the people are sick of the Republicans wishing to ignore the traitors that assassinated our great President Cameron all those years ago...

I think you called the Republicans traitors, or as bad as them. I don't believe that the Confederate Government, which did not exist when Cameron was assassinated, or was formed immediately before his death, is a major threat. The Democrats, democratic socialists, will continue to exist, as will the Republicans, constitutional republicans.

The majority of Southerners, who aren't Black, are Democratic. Most Blacks vote Republican, because we emancipated them. Prior to that, we fought against slavery, while most Democrats tacitly supported it.

 

[Seek75]

I have never called the Republicans traitors

The Republicans are as dishonorable as the traitors in Cuba

Something doesn't seem right here.

 

[komisha]

The Republican Party is older than the post-war era. They have run America in many forms since the collapse of the Whigs. I think they'll survive one Callahan Administration.

We have never owned Cuba! Those claims are tenuous at best, an, in my opinion, illegal!

I suppose you'd be keen to return our "illegal" conquests we had "tenuous claim to" like Arizona, New Mexico and your state.

Cameron was assassinated by a madman, not the then nonexistent Confederate Government. If you were president sir, what would you do? Actually, I am curious as to what Mr. Callahan would do once he acquired the Rebels.

There is established law and precedent in the trial of confederate traitors. We may have a few more charges to lay if we can get some documents proving their connection to the Confederate insurrections along with the rebels.

 

[Spitfire5793]

Here, Here! A man who speaks sence!

 

[Revan529]

The Republican Party itself is a post-War Party. If I wanted to, I could claim your party to be the party of slavery, since it did nothing to end the horrid practice.

We own those lands, and they are occupied by American citizens. Since they were acquired in a peace treaty in which we were provoked to war, I believe we should maintain our lands.

At least you weren't going to arbitrarily hang them. I agree we should give them a fair trial.

 

[Spitfire5793]

The Republican Party itself is a post-War Party. If I wanted to, I could claim your party to be the party of slavery, since it did nothing to end the horrid practice.

We own those lands, and they are occupied by American citizens. Since they were acquired in a peace treaty in which we were provoked to war, I believe we should maintain our lands.

At least you weren't going to arbitrarily hang them. I agree we should give them a fair trial.

We are being provoked to war by the lack of Spanish cooperation. We could acquire Cuba in a peace deal. And who knows, maybe in 10 years the majority of the population would be American citizens.

Are you saying that America shouldn't have take the west from Mexico? Should America have left your state in Mexican hands?

 

[Revan529]

Should we invade countries, and seize lands that aren't ours? Why should we engage in imperialism? It's too late to return these lands, so we may as well keep them; many good Americans live there. But expansion is never a good justification for war.

 

[Mikeboy]

I would say on the issue of citizenship (which will be within my remit), if they choose to become one of our states we should take Cameron's decision after the acquisition of the Western territories as precedent; that is give all the Cuban population American citizenship, as if they were indeed born on American soil.

 

[Spitfire5793]

Should we invade countries, and seize lands that aren't ours? Why should we engage in imperialism? It's too late to return these lands, so we may as well keep them; many good Americans live there. But expansion is never a good justification for war.

So you wish that America had never taken your state from the Mexicans?

 

[Revan529]

I have no problem with Cuban citizenship; I merely don't a war over it. We could purchase it, since it would be more valuable than the Virgin Islands, though I personally would rather the money go to law enforcement. I would defer both purchases to Congress, and would negotiate the price with Spain and Denmark, respectively.

If you notice, we rebelled, and created our own nation. We then chose to become a state. Therefore, it would not have been a Mexican problem.

 

[Spitfire5793]

If you notice, we rebelled, and created our own nation. We then chose to become a state. Therefore, it would not have been a Mexican problem.

((I'm not sure that happened in this game, correct me if I'm wrong.))

I have no problem with Cuban citizenship; I merely don't a war over it. We could purchase it, since it would be more valuable than the Virgin Islands, though I personally would rather the money go to law enforcement. I would defer both purchases to Congress, and would negotiate the price with Spain and Denmark, respectively.

Spain won't sell. It's their last source of prestige and their most valuable asset.