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Gentlemen! Point to me where I said we should invade Cuba? I simply stated the President's current "policy" is quite flawed.

Did you happen to think, even for a moment, that I say DROP the issue of Cuba? I am in favour of removing America from ALL European affairs! I am sick and tired of these millions of dollars spent on these Wars! It is time for a national renewal! Leave those delirious Rebels alone! The Southern United States is already calming down, and they can sit there and shout all they wish, they have no power!

We are the United States of America, not some global force for good!

Work at home first! Jobs for Immigrants! Factories in the South!

Only when the United States of America truly is the World Leader in everything, can we even begin to try and impose our will upon other nations. Be friends with Mexico, its time we made amends for stealing vast swaths of land from them. Ally with all the Free Nations of the world.

Say NO to the Monarchy!
Say NO to European Affairs!
Say YES to Freedom and Democracy for ALL Americans!
 

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I am fairly sure that we have repaired ties with Mexico, thanks to the efforts of Mr Vallejo. And you would have us abandon our citizens forced onto Cuban soil by the gunpoint of the rebel "government"? You call my policies flawed but I see nothing but flaws with yours. As Mr Walsh has said, we must not allow the rest of the world to hate us and our isolationist ways. And we are constructing factories in the South, for that will be one of my new policies. ((Once I get them up >.<))
 

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And this means we should not invade Cuba how exactly?

I refer to it as "fine" because the President beleives it is okay to exert dimplomatic pressure on Spain that will lead to a WAR with Spain and France! All because of a few rebels. I refuse to believe that many more American lives should die against the weapons of Spain and France, as well as brave German soldiers, who would be manipulated to help fight France to capture a few, wordless, powerless Rebels!

I am fairly sure that we have repaired ties with Mexico, thanks to the efforts of Mr Vallejo. And you would have us abandon our citizens forced onto Cuban soil by the gunpoint of the rebel "government"? You call my policies flawed but I see nothing but flaws with yours. As Mr Walsh has said, we must not allow the rest of the world to hate us and our isolationist ways. And we are constructing factories in the South, for that will be one of my new policies. ((Once I get them up >.<))

Have we apologized for taking their land? Have we made amends, proper reperations? No. I feel a new policy must be set forth with Mexico. We should work in mutual cooperation in order to bring a new partnership between us.

How would the rest of the world hate us if we keep to oursleves? Would it not make sense that if we stayed out of the courts of Europe, minding our own business here in the Americas that things would work much better? Its best to leave Europe alone and talk about inflencing and growing stronger ties with American countries.

Will there be factories for people in the both the South and the West? I am not a regionalist person. I beleive the South should have an initial push of factories, as well as investment in the West. I also support the improvement of wages and the average workday in the United States. I will soon be releasing my policies.
 

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Good sir I could not disagree more.

Do explain, good Governor, we have recently come off a terriable war. It is not our job to force our ideals on other nations, subjegate peoples who do not want it, or generally act like the world's policeman when something is not done how we want. If we proclaim ourselves the 'Global Force for Good" then surely, this would mean if we see injustice in the world, we will wrong it? How many wars, how many billions of dollars, how many poor lives wasted, just to fullfill an impossible commitment?
 

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Do explain, good Governor, we have recently come off a terriable war. It is not our job to force our ideals on other nations, subjegate peoples who do not want it, or generally act like the world's policeman when something is not done how we want. If we proclaim ourselves the 'Global Force for Good" then surely, this would mean if we see injustice in the world, we will wrong it? How many wars, how many billions of dollars, how many poor lives wasted, just to fullfill an impossible commitment?

Billions of Dollars? Mr. Hensdale this is 1869, that amount of money does not exist!!! :p

((Will you be continuing your extensive recap?))
 

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At no point do I want to subjegate peoples who don't want it. Rather it is our duty, and the duty of every free and fair democracy in this world, to liberate those who are oppressed. The United States should expand into currently tryannical and despotic regions to the purpose of extending the rights of men across the globe so that we may one day reside in a single global country; a democracy of all mankind. There is a line, and every nation must decide which side of the line they are on; are they with the people or are they against them. And upon those lines there shall be a mighty long war, a war that may well last for millenia. But ultimately it has already been decided that the side of the people shall win, not the side of kings, despots or gods. It's only impossible if we don't commit the lives, the money, and the spirit to the cause of global liberty, but if we do commit then nothing shall be able to stop us and our allies. Yes we may well make sacrifices, but everything we stand for as a nation is betrayed and spat on if we do not.
 

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Billions of Dollars? Mr. Hensdale this is 1869, that amount of money does not exist!!! :p

((Will you be continuing your extensive recap?))

As time goes on, it ineveitable that the costs will become larger. I mean billions.

((I'm on holiday, I will resume once my vacation is over. Internet here is worth as much as a stick so I have to do this on a phone, let alone update chapters))

At no point do I want to subjegate peoples who don't want it. Rather it is our duty, and the duty of every free and fair democracy in this world, to liberate those who are oppressed. The United States should expand into currently tryannical and despotic regions to the purpose of extending the rights of men across the globe so that we may one day reside in a single global country; a democracy of all mankind. There is a line, and every nation must decide which side of the line they are on; are they with the people or are they against them. And upon those lines there shall be a mighty long war, a war that may well last for millenia. But ultimately it has already been decided that the side of the people shall win, not the side of kings, despots or gods. It's only impossible if we don't commit the lives, the money, and the spirit to the cause of global liberty, but if we do commit then nothing shall be able to stop us and our allies. Yes we may well make sacrifices, but everything we stand for as a nation is betrayed and spat on if we do not.

Everything we stand for as a nation? We fought the British for freedom, the right of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness among our citizens, not the citizens of the world. My only question is why must me impose our will other nations? How do you know that YOUR way is better than their way? What if they enjoy their system of government, not having to make the choices, look to the people of the Russian Empire, they enjoy their lifestyle. The people of Britian are content, all the Germanic kingdoms are happy under their current government, why must we be the ones to go in, and FORCE our style on other people?

If we force our way on others, WE are the despot, WE are the tyrant. Libery and Freedom is not something that can be forced upon aother people! They will discover it when they themselves wake up to it - then we could aid them, monetarily or diplomaticly. The Tree of Liberty must be watered by the Blood of Tyrants. This does not mean, that the United States must be the one spilling all of this blood.
 

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At no point do I want to subjegate peoples who don't want it. Rather it is our duty, and the duty of every free and fair democracy in this world, to liberate those who are oppressed. The United States should expand into currently tryannical and despotic regions to the purpose of extending the rights of men across the globe so that we may one day reside in a single global country; a democracy of all mankind. There is a line, and every nation must decide which side of the line they are on; are they with the people or are they against them. And upon those lines there shall be a mighty long war, a war that may well last for millenia. But ultimately it has already been decided that the side of the people shall win, not the side of kings, despots or gods. It's only impossible if we don't commit the lives, the money, and the spirit to the cause of global liberty, but if we do commit then nothing shall be able to stop us and our allies. Yes we may well make sacrifices, but everything we stand for as a nation is betrayed and spat on if we do not.

America's destiny is in America, not on a foreign battlefield. Why should we as a civilized and peaceful nation get ourselves entangled in foreign conflicts? Our armed forces are here to protect our nation, not to spread our empire across the world.
 

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((I'm on holiday, I will resume once my vacation is over. Internet here is worth as much as a stick so I have to do this on a phone, let alone update chapters))

((As a stick? Doesn't that it's cheap? (You're taking about America I presume)))

I refer to it as "fine" because the President beleives it is okay to exert dimplomatic pressure on Spain that will lead to a WAR with Spain and France! All because of a few rebels. I refuse to believe that many more American lives should die against the weapons of Spain and France, as well as brave German soldiers, who would be manipulated to help fight France to capture a few, wordless, powerless Rebels!

And Jamous agrees. That's why we're not at war with Spain (and France by extension).
 

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((As a stick? Doesn't that it's cheap? (You're taking about America I presume)))

((Well. I'm in the US Virgin Islands. Internet here is pretty bad.))

And Jamous agrees. That's why we're not at war with Spain (and France by extension).

Yes, but he is still exetring diplomatic pressure, something that will lead us to war with these nations, without doubt.
 

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Chairman Callahan and his new idea of socialism should be closely watched, lest it spread to other high ranking politicians. While I agree with the idea of social reforms, a planned economy will be too much strain of our budget. Lets see how this all turns out.

Brig. General Eden

I can only assume you haven't read any of my election bids. I am in favour of small government intervention, but certain intervention against trusts and monopolies.

While not entirely in line with the Doctrine of National Vinogradism, notably in that he desires a more radical redistribution of the means of production, these principles are broadly similar to my own. If I win the Libretarian Party Nomination I Will ask Chairman Callahan to be my Vice-President and, should he choose to accept it, We will lead America into Bright and Prosperous future guided by the Principles of National Vinogradism.

Mayor Christopher R. Bryan

I would reciprocate should my nomination eventuate. My doctrine of redistribution is no more radical than the next democratic socialist. I am not looking to rob the rich and give to the poor, merely elevate the impoversihed with the disposable income of the wealthy. It is my intention that the tarif on foriegn goods should come to pay for all of the social reforms and leave taxes at near negligible levels.

At no point do I want to subjegate peoples who don't want it. Rather it is our duty, and the duty of every free and fair democracy in this world, to liberate those who are oppressed. The United States should expand into currently tryannical and despotic regions to the purpose of extending the rights of men across the globe so that we may one day reside in a single global country; a democracy of all mankind. There is a line, and every nation must decide which side of the line they are on; are they with the people or are they against them. And upon those lines there shall be a mighty long war, a war that may well last for millenia. But ultimately it has already been decided that the side of the people shall win, not the side of kings, despots or gods. It's only impossible if we don't commit the lives, the money, and the spirit to the cause of global liberty, but if we do commit then nothing shall be able to stop us and our allies. Yes we may well make sacrifices, but everything we stand for as a nation is betrayed and spat on if we do not.

Hear, hear!

America's destiny is in America, not on a foreign battlefield. Why should we as a civilized and peaceful nation get ourselves entangled in foreign conflicts? Our armed forces are here to protect our nation, not to spread our empire across the world.

Have we not already an economic empire in the americas? Just because we do not have a boot on their necks does not mean that they are free. Does the peasant soldier in Colombia have the rights of the soldier in America? And yet they would both fight the same enemies, and compete in the same market. Should we be creating tinpot dictatorships to cater to our economic needs or expanding the citizenship by expanding the borders?
 

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Have we not already an economic empire in the americas? Just because we do not have a boot on their necks does not mean that they are free. Does the peasant soldier in Colombia have the rights of the soldier in America? And yet they would both fight the same enemies, and compete in the same market. Should we be creating tinpot dictatorships to cater to our economic needs or expanding the citizenship by expanding the borders?
No we should stay out of foreign problems. No Americans should have to fight for any other sake than the safety of our country and our homes. Our foreign policy is geared towards friendship with all nations, to avoid being dragged into foreign conflicts. America is tired of war, we had a really bad one and we don't want more of it.
 

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Everything we stand for as a nation? We fought the British for freedom, the right of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness among our citizens, not the citizens of the world. My only question is why must me impose our will other nations? How do you know that YOUR way is better than their way? What if they enjoy their system of government, not having to make the choices, look to the people of the Russian Empire, they enjoy their lifestyle. The people of Britian are content, all the Germanic kingdoms are happy under their current government, why must we be the ones to go in, and FORCE our style on other people?

If we force our way on others, WE are the despot, WE are the tyrant. Libery and Freedom is not something that can be forced upon aother people! They will discover it when they themselves wake up to it - then we could aid them, monetarily or diplomaticly. The Tree of Liberty must be watered by the Blood of Tyrants. This does not mean, that the United States must be the one spilling all of this blood.

I agree with Senator Hensdale 100% on this point. The American people do not want endless war.
 

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What is War?

Have we already forgotten that? Not long ago this nation was broken due to a bloody civil war, and we're already forgetting the horrors. They talk of foreign policy, of the need to weaken France by backing the Germans, of the need to liberate all the people in the world. But what they're really talking about is war. To send out our sons and brothers to foreign battlefields to die. Haven't there been enogu dying?

But it is worse than that. Those who want wars are those who want to keep the working man silence. Because who is who will be sent to these far away battlefields if not the small people; the farmers of the midwest, the newly freed newly freed negros and the workers in our factories. Those are the ones who will be sent away. And the ones sending them away son't want them back. They want them to die in these far away lands, in these God forsaken battlefields. They want to break the spirit of the American Working Class, by sending away our sons. They want us to lose focus on the important battle for minimum wage and tolrable working hours. They want to silence the movement for equality.

That is the truth about wars and the truth about those who want it.
 

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[A speech to a convention at the newly opened state capital in Sacramento, California, by then Secretary of State Ignacio Vallejo, announcing his intention to run for president on the Republican ticket. Disturbed by some of the new directions of the New Democratic movement and encouraged by the reform of the Republicans and the passing of the issues which had caused the initial division, Vallejo hoped to bring out the old heritage of the Whigs and old liberalism]

Gentlemen, our nation has passed through many struggles - victorious. We have shown the world that a nation can thrive by the application of virtue, freedom, and equality, thrive even against great storms which seek to tear it apart. We have weathered the bitter winds of tyrants of all kinds - kings, dictators, slaveowners.

It has not been easy, nor costless. Otherwise, what would be the worth of it? It is of no cost to pretend to be equal - to pretend to have liberty - to pretend to stand to our duties in the truth that all men are created equal. It is of great cost to be free and to be right.

We are tired. We have seen wars of all kinds - petty and great. Our nation has been torn apart - politics, armies, buildings, lives. We have moved mountains and taken flight across a vast territory of fields, factories, friends, but also enemies. It is this heavy task that makes us weary. Many of us have succumbed to sleep. They tell us to turn back, envying the sweet decay of the old ways. Wrongful war. Wrongful peace. Strife, destruction, greed. This is the easy way. It is a welcoming way for those tired like us.

But I will not ask you to turn to this route. I will ask you to pick up your crosses yet again, to raise the banners again and show the world again what it means to be free. This is our next war. Not a war of sword and gunshot, but a war of purpose and effort. A war of liberty. A war of peace.

At home, we must be brothers and fellow soldiers. We must care for those sick and poor. We must profit not only ourselves, but those who work with us, above us, and under us. To this end we should support a free economy while supporting beneficial industry for our people ((Interventionism: Supporting infrastructure as needed, building forts and ports, supporting factories to keep high employment and growth, high education spending, good administrative spending, and bringing about the beginnings of anti-monopoly and workplace fairness legislation)). We must educate all people and produce jobs where they are needed. Every able man without a job is an idle hand that could be increasing production and growth. Every man lost in poverty is an idle mind that could be supporting his nation.

We must work against the divisions of politics and ideologies that some wish to use to trip us up. Neither strife nor greed, separatism nor tyranny, rebellion nor paralysis will get us anywhere. We must debate, not out of rivalrous and partisan fighting but out of sound reasoning, to support both the industrialist and the worker, the poor and the prosperous. As we have done before, let us work to such fantasies with reason - not to ignore them, but to make them real.

Militarily, we must be cautious and ready. We must continue to produce adequate and advanced ships to protect our shores, and guns and cannon to project our force on land. We must reach out to our free allies in our mission together to support and exemplify the rights of man, most especially here in our hemisphere. We must prevent the downfall of our free neighbors to the intervention of those who hate such rights. We will not do this by reckless militarism, rampant militias, overspending, or the expansion of military political power, as they have done in other nations and we have fallen prey to in the past. Every man who is not a soldier may be a writer, a statesman, a businessman, a farmer. We must balance such things with a need to have a reasonable and flexible military force. ((Defense: American alliances with other democracies and freedom loving nations, defense of our allies in America in particular in fights against tyrannical groups (including military support, especially naval power, in just fights) diplomatic and economic support for freedom and peace around the globe, supporting free nations against tyrannical imperialism. Limited expansion of the military, mostly in regards to better trained and organized troops and expanded useful navies. Military spending to decrease to a steady slow growth.)).

In the world we must be a light to all governments, showing that peace and prosperity can go hand in hand with liberty and truth. We should seek to guide those nations just hearing of our experiments of liberty in Asia and other places, and prevent the hegemony of European tyrants. We must not seek war, but we must not seek the peace of ignorance or the quietness of falsehood. ((NonIsolationism: Alliances in the Americas primarily, but also with our friends such as in Britain. Avoidance of European politics, while keeping relations cordial enough. Influence in keeping Japan and China, among others, from falling into the wrong spheres of influence. War, especially aggressive or unjust war, should be avoided at great cost. It should not be thrown away entirely, though, if a free people need our assistance [or, of course, an attack against America - we should fight then too :p]))

This is a great task before us, greater even than before - but we can achieve it. Our nation has thrown of the tyrants of imperialistic Britain, stood for the rights of our fellow men against the neglect and abuses of Santa Anna, and brought about liberty against great struggle to all men at home even in the face of widespread rebellion and destruction. We will prove to the world again that this experiment of liberty is one worth following.