The political lesson from Victoria II playing the US
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Oh thanks okay so he's talking about me 
Yeah I must say I did very little for the military, I focused on economy industries and politics. It might totally be what doomed me...
Yeah I must say I did very little for the military, I focused on economy industries and politics. It might totally be what doomed me...
Oh thanks okay so he's talking about me
Yeah I must say I did very little for the military, I focused on economy industries and politics. It might totally be what doomed me...
What caused all the revolts, though?
I leaned on the side of conservatism and pro-slavery as well but as I said had not the slightest problem with rebels.
Unless it's a rebellion to protect a status quo believed to be in danger, which sounds about right for potential Northern rebels.
The conditions for how rebels spawn are IIRC in a text file, common/rebel_types.txt, so in the actual released game you should be able to edit the text file to further limit the conditions under which Jacobin rebels or any type of rebel appears.
It's early 1848 and :
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Just an example (but that's something a silple patch can't change I think as it would need new political tools) : just before the entire State of New York fell to the Commune of New York City, the political affiliations were with 30% of the voters voting for "Southern Democrats" !!! In NY State !!!
Historically I think that there were a great many "Copperheads" in the North during the War, Democrats who supported the South's rebellion or at least opposed opposition to it enough to count them the way V2 counts them.
I did it without any civil war, but I also got cuba as part of the union immediately after finishing off the Mexicans. Mind you I was at war with mexico from game start, and I'm quite sure that helped.
A slightly tangential question regarding the ACW:
In V1, it was possible to avoid the Civil War, but it was generally a bad idea, because it meant you were stuck being a slave-owning country until the end of the game, because the ACW was the only way to emancipate the slaves. Now that slavery (or emancipation) has been implemented as a reform, would it be possible to avoid the Civil War in the early game and free the slaves at some later date by enacting the reform? More to the point, is there an end date for the ACW event, or would emancipating the slaves in 1900 lead to a delayed ACW?
In V1, it was possible to avoid the Civil War, but it was generally a bad idea, because it meant you were stuck being a slave-owning country until the end of the game, because the ACW was the only way to emancipate the slaves. Now that slavery (or emancipation) has been implemented as a reform, would it be possible to avoid the Civil War in the early game and free the slaves at some later date by enacting the reform? More to the point, is there an end date for the ACW event, or would emancipating the slaves in 1900 lead to a delayed ACW?
This thread makes me want to play a peaceful game in the demo. In Ricky, I played a game with Finland from 1839 (took me three years to collapse myself as Russia, then switched to Finland) and played all the way to 1936 without a single war. I called it a "political sandbox" game.
Pretty much the only way to avoid the ACW would be to get enough liberals in the UH to outlaw slavery without getting enough CON to trigger the key slavery events. Just ending slavery on it's own doesn't trigger the ACW, I guess it's assumed if you manage it you either reached an agreement with the South, or you kept the pops there with such low CON they didn't realise what was going on.
So is there an end date for the ACW, or the events leading up to it? Will the ACW still trigger in 1935 if CON rises high enough, even if you emancipated the slaves years ago?
As Darkrenown said, if you outlaw slavery while keeping CON low, the event will not trigger. Once slavery is outlawed, the ACW cannot happen any more.
Code:
trigger = {
tag = USA
slavery = yes_slavery
NOT = {
has_global_flag = american_civil_war_has_happened
}
has_country_flag = john_browns_raid
has_country_flag = dred_scott_decision
upper_house = {
ideology = liberal
value = 0.4
}
}
trigger = {
tag = USA
slavery = yes_slavery
NOT = {
has_country_flag = john_browns_raid
has_global_flag = american_civil_war_has_happened
}
any_state = {
is_slave = no
average_consciousness = 6
}
upper_house = {
ideology = liberal
value = 0.1
}
}
trigger = {
tag = USA
slavery = yes_slavery
NOT = {
has_country_flag = dred_scott_decision
has_global_flag = american_civil_war_has_happened
}
any_state = {
is_slave = yes
average_consciousness = 5
}
upper_house = {
ideology = liberal
value = 0.1
}
}So, either keep all your slave states under average consciousness 5 or keep all your non-slave states under average consciousness 6.
Is emancipation the only thing that will prevent the ACW for good? As long as slavery is legal, it can still trigger even in 1935?