The Polish Question

[King]

Poland does have rather a lot of cores. We also after much thought shunted the Poles into its own culture group and made Poland the Union Tag for the Polish culture group. This stopped a Poland AI trying to form Czechsolvakia when we put them in with the rest of the West Slavs. The upshot of all this is if you as Krakow can get all the Polish cores then you can form Poland.

 

[King]

Thanks King (yay respect)
another question, say I as Poland take out Lithuania, can I reenact the Union of Lublin and reform the PLC (ahistorically of course)

Well you can conquer Lithuania if you want, but no there is no PLC in the game.

 

[King]

Huh, I never thought of that. You would have to be some player to do that though...

EDIT: do you reckon you could do it King?

I wouldn't try in multiplayer, but for single player you need to leverage your position. You start in Austria's sphere, so you need to cash in on the fact that Austria is more likely to back to go after Prussian parts of Poland (taking BB as you go). You also need to pray to God that three things happen. That Austria will back you, that Austria won't screw you in the peace and that Prussia doesn't return the favour and stick an annex wargoal on you. Then it is all about avoiding GP status, hope that Russia knocks you out of Austria's sphere and sticks you into theirs. Then cash in that alliance to start grabbing pieces of Austrian Poland. Once you are big enough you can start thinking of a way to go after the Russian bits.

 

[King]

If Russia got in a serious war with Japan or China, then you would have to pounce. I'd be amazed if anyone does it though

That's true, although now that I think about more you are probably wrong to gun for Prussian Poland first. Those are also German Union cores so you hand a free CB on you to German cultured Great Power. You are probably better waiting for Russia to try and grab you into their sphere and then see if you can then grab yourself a slice or two of Austrian Poland.

 

[King]

Who's else under that union tag? I mean, apart from Krakow...

That's it I am afraid.

 

[King]

I'm guessing that means no Danzig revolter then?

Danzig is a German cultured state.

 

[King]

I'm not King but nevertheless I'm almost sure that won't be in. Since there will be only the GC in Vic2, there's only slight chance for the events to be the same as they did in reality.

War goals of course, you can demand countries to free other people in war.

 

[King]

So it means you can make your enemies liberate other countries as it was in EU3?

Of course. Each state you free is another war goal. So you even get decide how much you want to free. The enemy can decide how much it can stomach being free.

 

[King]

Can we demand full release of Poland through 3 separate wars?

IE. I as France or Britain smash Prussia and force them to release Poland. Now Poland exists, but only from the portion owned by Prussia, while the remainder of the territory is owned by Russia.

Next I fight Austria and Russia. Can I force each to release Polish territory to Poland in same manner as initial liberation, or do I have to have Poland in the war and have them occupy the provinces I demand in peace treaty as alliance leader?

Yes

 

[King]

Can the system handle freeing a country held between two different nations that are both at war with you?

Yes.

 

[King]

Even if when Danzig is created the land it's in is majority Polish culture?

Yes

 

[King]

Maybe add(mod in) a Gdansk revolter for Polish pops in Danzig.

Maybe we just have Polish people in Danzig wanting to be part of Poland?

 

[King]

It seems I had updated my post the same instant you replied.

But it is historically so. I presume it is the same with Trieste and Fiumme/Rijeka if they exist as potential states. Separatism and eventual union with Italy is an issue of Italian pops alone, while Austrian, Slovenian and Croatian seek to be part of their native nation or union tag.

It depends on the historic context of these contries. We have things like a North Italian Venice as a potential revolter. It did happen so we try our best to allow it.

 

[King]

I don't know what the Danziger people think of this , but the province should certainly be a Polish core -- I mean Poland (had it appeared) should want it together with the longed-for access to sea.

It certainly is

 

[King]

That's reasonable answer to my second question King, nothing is scripted but at the same time it's not blocked by engine to recreate Poland. What about the answer to my first question, about population totals?

To be honest I don't know what the Population totals are for anyt given province off the top of my head and I am not going to answer question like that because that would be all I would end up doing and people would complain. All I can say is that the POP files were redone from scratch for Victoria 2, not ported from Victoria 1. So Victoria 1 is no guide.

 

[King]

That answer makes me happy, at least there is hope the new data sources were better.

Does Polish cores are some/most pre-partition provinces (that would be ok, since it's only 40 years after the event), or post-WW1 provinces (like in Victoria 1) or others?

post WWI

 

[King]

Funny how did they knew in 1836 what would be their cores in 85 years in the future Actually it was not even decided in 1920 - only the peace treaties finally made the province list as we know it now. All sides (Germans, Russians, Lithuanians, Czechs and Polish) wanted to get or keep more than they did...

The eu3 system would be better here, but I think it's not ported to Victoria?

Yes game mechanics are funny that way.

 

[Johan]

Hmm. I assume this requires both occupying nations to be arrayed against you in the same war? What happens if I, as say, France, fight two separate wars against Prussia and Russia? If I negotiate the release of Poland from Russia, can I then ask Prussia to give land back to the Polish? This is assuming Poland is not my ally at the time, having just been released. Is such a thing possible?

yes.

 

[podcat]

Can Poland into space?

sadly no:

POL - Poland.txt
-----
capital = 706
primary_culture = polish
government = democracy
can_into_space = no
...

maybe for an expansion?

 

[podcat]

can into space whats that mean?

its originally a joke from an online comic, that also made its rounds on our OT forum. info here:

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/polandball
(the link to the "can into space" comic is at the bottom