We can't change it, that's why we have to take it out alltogether. Also the AI uses any nukes they have immediately in event of any war. That means every Syrian and Iranian city would be nuked in the first 4 hours in event of a war.
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Alright on the plot I like the basic outline but I think the should not be such a grand buildup to war with major EU-US splits and world depression and such. I picture US overextension in the war on terrorism combined with general European apathy leading to a grab for power by China, perhaps to prop up the Communist government at home, that gets out of control. This leads to a major war that really came out of nowhere. More like WW1 than WW2.
And of course there could be several ways China goes about this as we all want variety. They could support Pakistan in a war with India, or invade Central Asian nations like Kazakhstan in an effort to stop Muslim terrorists in their western territories leading to war with Russia. They could support N.Koria in a war with the South or declare a path to return traditional Chinese territories back to China leading to war with Russia, Mongolia, Taiwan, and South East Asia.
In the end I see most of this happening as the war spins out of control.
For Nukes I think if we have them at all they must be by event. The AI with thousands of nukes is a crazy thing. The US would be nuking Iraq and such without real need. I think Nukes should be last ditch event options such as during invasions.
For manpower how about this idea, Instead of using the traditional gaining manpower every day in normal HOI we set the provinces to have little or no manpower. To gain Manpower we’ll use events to gain large numbers in lump sums. This would keep nations from building hundreds of divisions until a major war comes. This could be used if we can't get the AI to do what we want.
And of course there could be several ways China goes about this as we all want variety. They could support Pakistan in a war with India, or invade Central Asian nations like Kazakhstan in an effort to stop Muslim terrorists in their western territories leading to war with Russia. They could support N.Koria in a war with the South or declare a path to return traditional Chinese territories back to China leading to war with Russia, Mongolia, Taiwan, and South East Asia.
In the end I see most of this happening as the war spins out of control.
For Nukes I think if we have them at all they must be by event. The AI with thousands of nukes is a crazy thing. The US would be nuking Iraq and such without real need. I think Nukes should be last ditch event options such as during invasions.
For manpower how about this idea, Instead of using the traditional gaining manpower every day in normal HOI we set the provinces to have little or no manpower. To gain Manpower we’ll use events to gain large numbers in lump sums. This would keep nations from building hundreds of divisions until a major war comes. This could be used if we can't get the AI to do what we want.
Well, personally I think having an event for every country might not work, since I don't want to see Malta and Cyprus getting their manpower surges of 2 MP. Although for the majors it would make sense and the events would help.
Nukes definitely have to be event-only.
You manpower idea is good for the majors, but will be too troublesome for the minors. Also, by lowering manpower in the provinces, wouldn't that lower consumer needs?
"1) Three simultaneous nuclear blasts decimate the city of Dallas"
Really? Ok, that's an - despite unlikely - good start.
"2) United States accuses North Korea of leaking the neccessary nuclear information and materials to some Fatwah Jihad Forever organization."
A very, very, very, very, very stupid thing to do, but quite probable.
"3) United States conducts a massive bombing campaign of North Korea in response, but does not declare war"
Nah-nah. A crapload of those bombers would be shot down by North Korean tripple-A and interceptor aircraft. If a single bomb is dropped on North Korean soil they'll emmideatly blitz through the DMZ and launch a few hundred thousand artillery shells at ROK and US positions.
Basically, that would be a DOW by the US. Bombing a country is a quite vulgar way to DOW, btw.
"4) China declares solidarity with North Korea over the US agression without presenting and proof or reason to the global community."
Probable.
"5) North Korea declares war, and gets an event to get a few nukes. The AI or player uses them. Honolulu and Seol are in ruins (or wherever they send them). China does not get any because they don't like the idea of every city in the world glowing with radiation."
NK won't use nukes unless
A) Kim feels that he can't win using conventional means
B) A stupid son'f a bitch in the chain of command uses them without his permission.
Kim knows that nukes are a last resort and a ticket to suicide. Don't portray him like a complete idiot just because he's ruthless.
"6) US, Australia, UK declare war. Germany & Co pressure rest of EU to stay neutral."
If the US hasn't got any evidence of NK supplying some terrorist group with nukes, I doubt that GB will DOW. Blair is being grilled by the media after his WMD lies. The Brit's won't therefore be as easy to get into war. Basically, this'd mean that in the scenario itself GB gets an event on whether to support the US or not. If yes (60% chance of AI using this?) they get a massive dissent hit. If no, the conservatives react with some anger (big but much smaller dissent hit). Dunno about Australia, though.
Germany and France would be strongly against the war, though. Correct.
"7) North Korea, with Chinese support, sweeps through South Korea."
Most probable. Chance that the US/ROK will get slaughtered: 98%
"8) Vietnam and Laos declae Solidarity with China and their Asian Brothers."
Quite likely.
"9) Failed US landing in Hanoi: 50,000 US Soldiers dead, 80,000 Vietnamese and Chinese."
The US should be able to choose whether to do that or not. But it'd most certainly end in failure. Sino-Viet losses would be smaller, thoug. 40-60K. US losses would also be smaller. More POWs...
"10) Tensions between Pakistan and India continue to rise. United States warns India that they will support Pakistan and Russia warns Pakistan that they will support India."
China will also support India.
"11) China offers Indonesia the countries of East Timor and Papua New Guinea, as well as weapons and advisors, if they join them in a military alliance. Indonesia Agrees."
Probable, but the Indonesian player should at least be allowed to choose whether to join or not.
"12) Indonesia sweeps through the western half of Papua New and the entirety of East Timor. In the large battle of Port Moresby, Australian troops manage to become victorious through superior naval support. East Timor is Annexed."
Probable.
"13) China offers India their claims on Chinese territory, as well as some advanced electronic technology to support any "Pakistani agressions". "
Go on...
14) In the second battle of Port Moresby, the presence of Chinese tanks turns the tide in favor of the Indonesians. Papua New Guinea is Annexed.
Probable.
15) Skirmishes in Kashmir, India backs down.
Backs down? Nah...
"16) France, Russia, Germany, Luxembourg, and Belgium form a military alliance. Go on a massive diplomatic campaign to bring in the rest of the countries. Over the next 6 month, Europe is close to united except for a select few."
I doubt it, but it'll be good for a game.
"17) Chinese assault on Taiwan fails miserably. Heads roll in Chinese army administration."
LOL! The Taiwanese would NEVER win there! Either it becomes a Chinese victory or a stalemate.
"18) Army coup in India supported by China creates a military regime."
Doubtful.
"19) Tensions europe over Kashmir and neither back down. More and more troops enter the skirmish until it becomes a war. With Chinese support, Pakistan become the Modern Day Scenario's Ethiopia. "
China wouldn't support Pakistan. They're allied with the country that they're nearly at war at for Christ sake!
"20) Successful US invasion of Haiku. Held for two weeks until Chinese and Indian planes establish air superiority and US troops forced to retreat. "
No comment.
"21) Russia gives the US one last chance to back down before their previous support for India goes all the way. US refuses, Russia declares war on India's enemies. Rest of Europe follows."
Like Jack said in Speed I, "He's crazy, not stupid!" . Putin would only aid India and at most send some "advisors". DOW? HA!
"22) Spain takes Gibraltar, Ireland takes Northern Ireland."
Good for them.
"23) British invasion of Ireland, all the major cities in Ireland fall."
... With heavy losses on both sides.
"24) EU invasion of Southern England, United Kingdom quickly withdraws troops from Ireland and manages to save London. The rest of the battles don't go as smoothly and London is surrounded."
IMPOSSIBLE! COMPLETELY REDICILOUS!
"25) English troops hold a line South of Scotland. Despite many assaults, EU troops can't break through."
England won't be invaded. No-one in the Europen leaderships would for a minute consider it.
"26) US forces to a reactionary, defensive role for several years. Whenever they build more units and train more infantry, those have to be sent to react to another assault in Asia, or be added to the lines in Scotland."
No offenses? That's not the US I know of. The US battle plan is what Patton said: "You won't hold any lines. Let the enemy do that. We'll crush them in a offensive" or something like that.
"27) Scotland falls, London still surrounded. US paradrops supplies and troops to reinforce London."
ROFL
"28) Chinese establish a beachhead in Southern Taiwan. Can't push to Taipai. Firebombs Taipai with a massive aircraft loss due to Taiwan's impressive anti-air system."
Didn't they already beat the Taiwanese badly? And you underestimate Chinese intelligence like hell now. They'd try to knock out as much of the Taiwanese AA/Interceptors before conducting such operations.
Really? Ok, that's an - despite unlikely - good start.
"2) United States accuses North Korea of leaking the neccessary nuclear information and materials to some Fatwah Jihad Forever organization."
A very, very, very, very, very stupid thing to do, but quite probable.
"3) United States conducts a massive bombing campaign of North Korea in response, but does not declare war"
Nah-nah. A crapload of those bombers would be shot down by North Korean tripple-A and interceptor aircraft. If a single bomb is dropped on North Korean soil they'll emmideatly blitz through the DMZ and launch a few hundred thousand artillery shells at ROK and US positions.
Basically, that would be a DOW by the US. Bombing a country is a quite vulgar way to DOW, btw.
"4) China declares solidarity with North Korea over the US agression without presenting and proof or reason to the global community."
Probable.
"5) North Korea declares war, and gets an event to get a few nukes. The AI or player uses them. Honolulu and Seol are in ruins (or wherever they send them). China does not get any because they don't like the idea of every city in the world glowing with radiation."
NK won't use nukes unless
A) Kim feels that he can't win using conventional means
B) A stupid son'f a bitch in the chain of command uses them without his permission.
Kim knows that nukes are a last resort and a ticket to suicide. Don't portray him like a complete idiot just because he's ruthless.
"6) US, Australia, UK declare war. Germany & Co pressure rest of EU to stay neutral."
If the US hasn't got any evidence of NK supplying some terrorist group with nukes, I doubt that GB will DOW. Blair is being grilled by the media after his WMD lies. The Brit's won't therefore be as easy to get into war. Basically, this'd mean that in the scenario itself GB gets an event on whether to support the US or not. If yes (60% chance of AI using this?) they get a massive dissent hit. If no, the conservatives react with some anger (big but much smaller dissent hit). Dunno about Australia, though.
Germany and France would be strongly against the war, though. Correct.
"7) North Korea, with Chinese support, sweeps through South Korea."
Most probable. Chance that the US/ROK will get slaughtered: 98%
"8) Vietnam and Laos declae Solidarity with China and their Asian Brothers."
Quite likely.
"9) Failed US landing in Hanoi: 50,000 US Soldiers dead, 80,000 Vietnamese and Chinese."
The US should be able to choose whether to do that or not. But it'd most certainly end in failure. Sino-Viet losses would be smaller, thoug. 40-60K. US losses would also be smaller. More POWs...
"10) Tensions between Pakistan and India continue to rise. United States warns India that they will support Pakistan and Russia warns Pakistan that they will support India."
China will also support India.
"11) China offers Indonesia the countries of East Timor and Papua New Guinea, as well as weapons and advisors, if they join them in a military alliance. Indonesia Agrees."
Probable, but the Indonesian player should at least be allowed to choose whether to join or not.
"12) Indonesia sweeps through the western half of Papua New and the entirety of East Timor. In the large battle of Port Moresby, Australian troops manage to become victorious through superior naval support. East Timor is Annexed."
Probable.
"13) China offers India their claims on Chinese territory, as well as some advanced electronic technology to support any "Pakistani agressions". "
Go on...
14) In the second battle of Port Moresby, the presence of Chinese tanks turns the tide in favor of the Indonesians. Papua New Guinea is Annexed.
Probable.
15) Skirmishes in Kashmir, India backs down.
Backs down? Nah...
"16) France, Russia, Germany, Luxembourg, and Belgium form a military alliance. Go on a massive diplomatic campaign to bring in the rest of the countries. Over the next 6 month, Europe is close to united except for a select few."
I doubt it, but it'll be good for a game.
"17) Chinese assault on Taiwan fails miserably. Heads roll in Chinese army administration."
LOL! The Taiwanese would NEVER win there! Either it becomes a Chinese victory or a stalemate.
"18) Army coup in India supported by China creates a military regime."
Doubtful.
"19) Tensions europe over Kashmir and neither back down. More and more troops enter the skirmish until it becomes a war. With Chinese support, Pakistan become the Modern Day Scenario's Ethiopia. "
China wouldn't support Pakistan. They're allied with the country that they're nearly at war at for Christ sake!
"20) Successful US invasion of Haiku. Held for two weeks until Chinese and Indian planes establish air superiority and US troops forced to retreat. "
No comment.
"21) Russia gives the US one last chance to back down before their previous support for India goes all the way. US refuses, Russia declares war on India's enemies. Rest of Europe follows."
Like Jack said in Speed I, "He's crazy, not stupid!" . Putin would only aid India and at most send some "advisors". DOW? HA!
"22) Spain takes Gibraltar, Ireland takes Northern Ireland."
Good for them.
"23) British invasion of Ireland, all the major cities in Ireland fall."
... With heavy losses on both sides.
"24) EU invasion of Southern England, United Kingdom quickly withdraws troops from Ireland and manages to save London. The rest of the battles don't go as smoothly and London is surrounded."
IMPOSSIBLE! COMPLETELY REDICILOUS!
"25) English troops hold a line South of Scotland. Despite many assaults, EU troops can't break through."
England won't be invaded. No-one in the Europen leaderships would for a minute consider it.
"26) US forces to a reactionary, defensive role for several years. Whenever they build more units and train more infantry, those have to be sent to react to another assault in Asia, or be added to the lines in Scotland."
No offenses? That's not the US I know of. The US battle plan is what Patton said: "You won't hold any lines. Let the enemy do that. We'll crush them in a offensive" or something like that.
"27) Scotland falls, London still surrounded. US paradrops supplies and troops to reinforce London."
ROFL
"28) Chinese establish a beachhead in Southern Taiwan. Can't push to Taipai. Firebombs Taipai with a massive aircraft loss due to Taiwan's impressive anti-air system."
Didn't they already beat the Taiwanese badly? And you underestimate Chinese intelligence like hell now. They'd try to knock out as much of the Taiwanese AA/Interceptors before conducting such operations.
@MartyWolf: Do I look like some one with the energy to go through 20 new posts? I'm Russian - what do you expect of me?!!
@MegaPIMP: A Canadian world domination sounds more appealing to me.
@MegaPIMP: A Canadian world domination sounds more appealing to me.
Yes, I realized that shortly afterwards. But why miss an excellent opportunity to humiliate a bad idea for... 2 minutes and then look stupid because you bitched about something that's about as obsolete as feudal knights?
I certainly won't!
I certainly won't!
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Good, I'm going to start deleting my irrelevant stuff also, and I suggest everybody (Lord_VR and his great review) should also delete the irrelevant posts, also.
Good, I'm going to start deleting my irrelevant stuff also, and I suggest everybody (Lord_VR and his great review
) should also delete the irrelevant posts, also.
If anyone knows how to speak Latin, are there any good acronyms that could replace "EU"? You know, Mutual Defense League, Defense and Justice Alliance or something like that translated? I could use a Latin-English dictionary but I'm not sure if it can be translated directly (what side of the noun adjectives go on and so on).
Europa Communio Tutamen Foedus (ECTF).
That is the European Mutual Defense League, and it sounds pretty cool to me.
How about just CTF? That rolls off the tongue nicely as well. "CTF forces route the Coalition in a major battle in..."
Europa Communio Tutamen Foedus... I like that name. I like it a lot! Almost better than a Kebab plate and a six pack of coke on a saturday evening, even!
Lol
Yeah, it's a pretty cool name, In my opinion, and Lunar came up with the English, I just got the latin. I'm happy you like it
I think new history (sorry for my bad english):
1) North Korea and China make alliance
2) North Korea reclaim territory of South Korea, China reclaim territory of Taiwan.
3) China declare war and annex Taiwan.
4) North Korea test a Nuclear Bomb.
5) North Korea and China declare war to south Korea, CTF and COTW for fear of nuclear war in Korean peninsula they don´t intervention. South Korea is anexioty.
6) Japan is scared, japan think will be the next on the China campaign. Japan allied to COTW
7) Vietnam enter to alliance whith China.
8) Tension is higger in Pakistan and Indian, Pakistan reclaim territory of Chameria India, India reclaim territory of Chameria Pakistan.
9) CTF offer alliance to Turkey, South Africa and New Zeland.
10) Middel east is a disaster, The Jewhis community of USA pressure of USA Goverment, COTW accept alliance to Israel.
11) China declare war to Mongolian, COTW and CTF offer alliance to Rusia, Mongolian offer terrytory and army to Rusia.
12) Mongolia is anexionity, China reclaim territory of the new Mongolian zone of Rusia.
13) India is attaked by Biological Islamic terrorist, India declare war to Pakistan.
14) Goverment of Irak down, International force are evacuated, Irak Civil war event ( Bahhas party [Saddam Hussein], Sunis, Chiies [pro Irani ]), Iran intervention event, China Intervention event, COTW intervention event, CTF intervention event, Libya
Intervention event.
1) North Korea and China make alliance
2) North Korea reclaim territory of South Korea, China reclaim territory of Taiwan.
3) China declare war and annex Taiwan.
4) North Korea test a Nuclear Bomb.
5) North Korea and China declare war to south Korea, CTF and COTW for fear of nuclear war in Korean peninsula they don´t intervention. South Korea is anexioty.
6) Japan is scared, japan think will be the next on the China campaign. Japan allied to COTW
7) Vietnam enter to alliance whith China.
8) Tension is higger in Pakistan and Indian, Pakistan reclaim territory of Chameria India, India reclaim territory of Chameria Pakistan.
9) CTF offer alliance to Turkey, South Africa and New Zeland.
10) Middel east is a disaster, The Jewhis community of USA pressure of USA Goverment, COTW accept alliance to Israel.
11) China declare war to Mongolian, COTW and CTF offer alliance to Rusia, Mongolian offer terrytory and army to Rusia.
12) Mongolia is anexionity, China reclaim territory of the new Mongolian zone of Rusia.
13) India is attaked by Biological Islamic terrorist, India declare war to Pakistan.
14) Goverment of Irak down, International force are evacuated, Irak Civil war event ( Bahhas party [Saddam Hussein], Sunis, Chiies [pro Irani ]), Iran intervention event, China Intervention event, COTW intervention event, CTF intervention event, Libya
Intervention event.
Just a quick point for the start date. Since I know I want to recreate Operation Iraqi Freedom how about we start the scenario the First day of the Iraq war. I would like to start earlier to allow diplomatic moves but to allow the war to go as close to reality we should start already at war. This would also start us off with some splits between Europe and the US.
And it will make sure Coalition troops in Kuwait wont be pulled out by the AI before the war, hopefully.
And it will make sure Coalition troops in Kuwait wont be pulled out by the AI before the war, hopefully.
You speak not real things.
For instance China never will conclude Alliance with North Korea and Vietnam