The please give Arumba a job Paradox thread
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This. I think when Arumba says on his channel that Paradox should give him a job, he's not suggesting it literally, just pointing out that he has lots of ideas for improving the games (which Paradox does often listen to, IIRC - he's already prominent enough to have the ear of the devs).
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They're a factor but I doubt people donate that much. No, he get's most of his income from ad revenue which is why he uploads so frequently. The guy's supporting his family off of it, and he's only growing, so it ain't a bad set up.
There's no reason for this thread though. All Arumba wants - and he's said it - is to essentially just be a beta tester, and not get payed by Paradox at all. So would someone create a thread asking for Paradox to hire me? I need the job more than he does.
Considering Arumba is a magical scientific calculator attached to a voice synthesizer rather than an actual person, I really doubt he's eligible for employment anyway.
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Listening to the community, the consensus seems to be, that this topic, is not the best way to go about things.
That is something I can agree with.
Should Arumba, or anyone else, want a job at Paradox they should apply themselves, or clearly ask the community for help in applying for a job.
Some have stated they would like to work for Paradox, and why don't they have their own thread. I'm all for something that would give talented people a showcase, such as a contest, or some place on the forum for showing off your talent and work.
Wishing everyone all the best for the new year.
That is something I can agree with.
Should Arumba, or anyone else, want a job at Paradox they should apply themselves, or clearly ask the community for help in applying for a job.
Some have stated they would like to work for Paradox, and why don't they have their own thread. I'm all for something that would give talented people a showcase, such as a contest, or some place on the forum for showing off your talent and work.
Wishing everyone all the best for the new year.
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I bet arumba and wiz will laugh at this thread.
What I think would really happen:
Arumba: can I be a beta tester?
Wiz: but you do already?!?
Johan/jake: no.
Wiz:sorry, next time arumba...
Arumba:
What I think would really happen:
Arumba: can I be a beta tester?
Wiz: but you do already?!?
Johan/jake: no.
Wiz:sorry, next time arumba...
Arumba:
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1) If Arumba started QAing for PDX, his YouTube channel would greatly suffer. As a fan, have you really thought this through?
2) The best way to support Arumba would be to either not use AdBlock or subscribe to his Twitch channel.
2) The best way to support Arumba would be to either not use AdBlock or subscribe to his Twitch channel.
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1) If Arumba started QAing for PDX, his YouTube channel would greatly suffer. As a fan, have you really thought this through?
2) The best way to support Arumba would be to either not use AdBlock or subscribe to his Twitch channel.
Or send him a some $ via paypal or sign up to youtube red and pay for skipping the adds (if one live a place where it is possible).
I think the youtube adds alone are not paying very well, I think that is why so many youtubers have started twitch streaming so often.
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My personal opinion about the self-proclaimed "Master of EU4" aside, Paradox's HR is not bound to the whims and wishes of anybody in the community. After all, Paradox is a company, not a democracy.
If Arumba desires to work for PDX, he will have to apply through the appropriate channels like everyone else. He already has the huge advantage of knowing several of the development team members personally.
If Arumba desires to work for PDX, he will have to apply through the appropriate channels like everyone else. He already has the huge advantage of knowing several of the development team members personally.
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Ok so people can know who he is: https://www.youtube.com/user/arumba07 ...Basically if you just typed Arumba into Bing/Google you will see his channel
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This thread seems rather pointless as paradox isn't going to attempt to hire something based on one thread on an internet forum that wasn't made by the person who is supposed to get the job or am i missing something?
My point is that it is a bit of a paradox, isn't it? Someone doesn't get hired because the software company gets the content for free from a YouTuber, yet if that YouTuber doesn't have the channel she/ he doesn't have income (or wouldn't be playing the game). From what I gathered Paradox would hire Arumba if he didn't have the YouTube channel where they got the stuff for free. That just feels wrong. Just hire the person then or pay him for some of the things she/he has contributed.
How does that policy affect the contributing community? Should you not have expectations of a job when you contribute freely? Paradox makes money from those contributions, through game sales. I don't know, it just doesn't feel right on some level. If you're taking this much to put into a game, you should pay the person for it, and maybe even protect them from themselves a bit, that is just how I feel.
I have no problems with contributing voluntarily, it is one of the things that makes this game great, but when someone isn't getting hired because they contribute freely, well that is something I think needs to be discussed as community. Like some people said more people are looking for work, and we have to have some agreement between software companies and employment seeking individuals on this.
The working for a software company and still having a YouTube channel isn't without precedent. See Agrippa Maxentius channel for example:
https://www.youtube.com/user/AgrippaMaxentius
I don't know if this thread is the best place for it, and maybe this discussion should be moved to a new thread with a different title as part of a broader discussion, because it is something that effects everyone that wants to work at Paradox, or any software company for that matter.
It's just a situation that I would rather see differently. Let's see it as a learning experience, and how we can improve.
That's just my hedgehodgian logic.
Please feel free to contribute yours in a constructive way.
How does that policy affect the contributing community? Should you not have expectations of a job when you contribute freely? Paradox makes money from those contributions, through game sales. I don't know, it just doesn't feel right on some level. If you're taking this much to put into a game, you should pay the person for it, and maybe even protect them from themselves a bit, that is just how I feel.
I have no problems with contributing voluntarily, it is one of the things that makes this game great, but when someone isn't getting hired because they contribute freely, well that is something I think needs to be discussed as community. Like some people said more people are looking for work, and we have to have some agreement between software companies and employment seeking individuals on this.
The working for a software company and still having a YouTube channel isn't without precedent. See Agrippa Maxentius channel for example:
https://www.youtube.com/user/AgrippaMaxentius
I don't know if this thread is the best place for it, and maybe this discussion should be moved to a new thread with a different title as part of a broader discussion, because it is something that effects everyone that wants to work at Paradox, or any software company for that matter.
It's just a situation that I would rather see differently. Let's see it as a learning experience, and how we can improve.
That's just my hedgehodgian logic.
Please feel free to contribute yours in a constructive way.
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Just because I drink Pepsi doesn't mean that Pepsi has to hire me. This has nothing to do with Arumba "providing content for free" - he's making suggestions based on what HE thinks would improve the game (and his suggestions aren't universally agreed upon either, there's plenty of things he suggested that I, for instance, would not want to be in the game).
But beyond that, he is just playing Paradox's game. He also makes money off of doing that. Arumba playing Paradox games and making money off of them because he puts videos on YouTube is hardly a reason to hire him.
He doesn't provide any valuable QA or anything, either. If he finds a bug, the QA team either is already aware of it, or at the very least someone else has long found and reported it.
And you can apply your logic in the other way around, as well. Plenty of people who own Paradox games will find Arumba on YouTube looking for video gameplay of these games. By your argument, Arumba would have to pay Paradox for those viewers and thus the money he gets from them.
Paradox in particular is open to community members who contribute applying, after all people like Wiz and DDRJake got hired based on their merits as contributors of the community. But they have to apply themselves and not have their cronies beg Paradox to hire that community member, and say Paradox is being unfair for not hiring Arumba because he plays their game on his YT channel.
If Arumba or anyone has skills that are valuable enough for Paradox to hire them, then I'm sure they will get considered upon application.
But beyond that, he is just playing Paradox's game. He also makes money off of doing that. Arumba playing Paradox games and making money off of them because he puts videos on YouTube is hardly a reason to hire him.
He doesn't provide any valuable QA or anything, either. If he finds a bug, the QA team either is already aware of it, or at the very least someone else has long found and reported it.
And you can apply your logic in the other way around, as well. Plenty of people who own Paradox games will find Arumba on YouTube looking for video gameplay of these games. By your argument, Arumba would have to pay Paradox for those viewers and thus the money he gets from them.
Paradox in particular is open to community members who contribute applying, after all people like Wiz and DDRJake got hired based on their merits as contributors of the community. But they have to apply themselves and not have their cronies beg Paradox to hire that community member, and say Paradox is being unfair for not hiring Arumba because he plays their game on his YT channel.
If Arumba or anyone has skills that are valuable enough for Paradox to hire them, then I'm sure they will get considered upon application.
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Well, that is a good point, one that I have wondered myself. Are Arumba's opinions being taken over too much by Wiz for example, without checking with the community if those changes are really wanted or an improvement? Is Paradox hanging it's ears too much to YouTube? Just because someone plays the game a lot doesn't make them an expert.
Edit: Check more with the community at times, not just his own opinion, is something I feel that Arumba could improve on at times to improve the quality of his work.
Nobody said that was a reason to hire someone. Also there are examples where Paradox has implemented changes, for example his keyboard shortcuts mod.
No, because Paradox flies YouTubers out to Sweden for example and invites them to events. For Paradox it is marketing.
Nobody's is begging or a cronie. Just stating my opinion in a free country, like anyone else has the right to do.
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By the way, I have listened to the community on feedback, I have stated that this thread could have been worded better and done differently, even asked moderators to remove the thread (which they don't see reason too), and tried to have a civil discussion about the topic and not resort to name calling, where this issue is going now.
Given the response on the forum it has given me pause as to this community, and how we deal with such issues.
People keep responding to the thread (with similar responses (without reading the thread?)). At this point I have nothing to add to the discussion, and as such will most likely not respond.
So, a more constructive attitude on the thread would be appreciated.
Nobody's perfect.
Given the response on the forum it has given me pause as to this community, and how we deal with such issues.
People keep responding to the thread (with similar responses (without reading the thread?)). At this point I have nothing to add to the discussion, and as such will most likely not respond.
So, a more constructive attitude on the thread would be appreciated.
Nobody's perfect.
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I am a fan of Arumba and really enjoy his videos, he gives a good commentary and I get some good ideas from him. He often does suffer from being unable to see the wood for the trees and will focus on things I overlook but I will often find myself wanting to yell because he's overlooking the most glaringly obvious thing that is right in front of him.
He's a good player, but that doesn't always translate to great developer, and I enjoy his videos so wouldn't want him to lose the time required to make them.
He's a good player, but that doesn't always translate to great developer, and I enjoy his videos so wouldn't want him to lose the time required to make them.
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