Bunka said:
It's where you send a stabhit, and then send another one before the person has rejected.
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It's where you send a stabhit, and then send another one before the person has rejected.
And sorry about the wait. http://www.europa2.ru/cgi-bin/leagu...kyrie.net XI&game=XXII&yearsave=1570&lang=eng
I NEVER lied that i was doing it at all. I even told FAL i would not stop doing it. And to re-affirm this - i did it, and i plan to do it again on the future, against FAL. If anyone does this to me, then, i will do it to him as well, if i get the chance to.
BurningEGO said:I obviously do not like such dishonourable moves, nor do i support them from my perspective of a player (this little gang of yours).
But i can live with it. I am not complaining about the gang. I actually had much fun trouncing FAL's armies around even when he had twice as many men. I do like a gang once in a while - it does make things funny! Yes, i know, this may differ from my opinion from some months ago - but hell, gangs are the "bread of everyday" on eu2 - at least to my nation. So i really have to enjoy it.
Again - not complaining.
Good, because I doubt this'll be the last one
I think deliberatly causing FAL to crash using this obvious exploit is worthy of a punishment, and reapeted usage of the exploit, despite warnings and punishments, is worthy of an even harsher punishment.
actually there is an easy sulotion to this mess to begin with.
Put up a rule against it, It's one of the easiest things to prove (just take a screenie when the 2 peace offers are there)
you say yourself that it's an expoit
Put up a rule against it, It's one of the easiest things to prove (just take a screenie when the 2 peace offers are there)
you say yourself that it's an expoit
Absolut said:
Thank you absolut - if it is not in the rules - then i am allowed to do it.
Anyway - i will NOT be punished for something i did, that is NOT against the rules, specially something that FAL also did. I will not waste a single second of my time listening to this thread, at least for today.
I did send 2 stab hits on a row to FAL every time i was able to. FAL did it a couple of times to me. It is NOT against the rules. And i did NOT do it deliberatly to make FAL CTD. I did it, to make his stability worse, and his realm full of rebels - just like he did to me. I, did not even complain when this hapened to me.
Anyway, i will try to scavenge whatever good info i can from the many saves we had.
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a more serious issue - Ampo used MA on sweden outside of Europe. I saw Frobisher around and 5 transports as well. Drake may confirm this. Ampo should have some, if not all, of his sea discoveries deleted.
BurningEGO said:
Pending a look at the chat log from before we left.
In any case, this will have to stop, whether you agree to it or not, because it CTDs Fal. Whatever he lost on the second one, we're going to have to have edited back in. Apart from that, I'm afraid you're right. I'm technically unable to do anything about it, because I was too dumb to include a rule against using lag to your advantage. However, that you did it after I said not to on the rehost, along with a bunch of other players, is still fishy.
It's too bad that the one place where I was very thorough in the rule list is the one about limiting the power of the GM
. For next week, we need to add one about using lag to your advantage.
BurningEGO said:
Yes, Drake reminded me of this too. All the eastern ones will probably need to be deleted, if he hadn't established colonies through africa that would allow him to explore those lands when he had Frobisher.
King John said:
isn't it when you stabhit enemy's alliance leader and then stabhitting him again as a separetely country? or isn't it related to a player's bad attitude to not accept a stabhit and wait until auto-rejecting? these are the two situations I remember from my Multiplayer Player-games, it's clairly a bug, isn't it?
Ulschmidt.
doesn't this kind of force a rule to be made?BurningEGO said:
as a personal opinion of mine sending more stab hits will only lead to less entertaining wars. It's just a game, some people have to learn that. If both did it then I see no idea why EGO should be punished (it was bad of him when he knew FAL would crash) but to avoid it in the future just put a rule against it and as I said it's horribly easy to prove by the victim
King John said:
A GM is not just there to keep a rule list up-to-date in the first post, but also there to protect fellow players from the shit that just happened. Especially when someone blatantly ignored his orders.
That's why an 'obey the GM' rule as the first one is necessary.
If you just keep altering rule lists after someone behaves like EGO just did and not punish offensive behaviour, you invite players to keep finding ways to exploit and cheat in-game.
P.S. You don't have a rule against altering the save game. Would you just act technically, ****** would be still playing in your campaign.
it's a matter of plinciples, values and comradeship. If the only value we consider is "world domination" we'll clash with our Mp-mates for sure, gentlemen.
I mean, comradeship should be the first attitude we should consider.
being competitive is important to improve quality, but it could be auto-destructive too if other values and principles weren't taught. Cheating, being irresponsable, taking advantage of the weaks, having inappropriate attitude is quite a consecuence, and a social perversion.o my humble opinion.
greetings, Ulschmidt.
PD: try to solve your differences in a civilized way, gentlemen. and so sorry for the intrusion, but your hyper-posting is calling our attention out there.
I mean, comradeship should be the first attitude we should consider.
being competitive is important to improve quality, but it could be auto-destructive too if other values and principles weren't taught. Cheating, being irresponsable, taking advantage of the weaks, having inappropriate attitude is quite a consecuence, and a social perversion.
o my humble opinion.greetings, Ulschmidt.
PD: try to solve your differences in a civilized way, gentlemen. and so sorry for the intrusion, but your hyper-posting is calling our attention out there.
King John said:
Ehm....one moment please.
I admit that one time I based a few ships in swedish india after an explorer died and another time accidentaly (not thinking) just before my intervention in the Great War (I just landed my conq on spanish Batavia as I forgot about the MA rule in the spur of the moment).
That was NOT frobisher, however.
I mainly used a colony in eastern Africa and later on the Andaman Islands as bases.
You can check that. And I discovered the Andamans in a direct route from my east african colony - you can check that as well.
So sorry about this folks.....but I would find editing all discovered zones away far too hard.
King John said:
Ehm....one moment please.
I admit that one time I based a few ships in swedish india after an explorer died and another time accidentaly (not thinking) just before my intervention in the Great War (I just landed my conq on spanish Batavia as I forgot about the MA rule in the spur of the moment).
That was NOT frobisher, however.
I mainly used a colony in eastern Africa and later on the Andaman Islands as bases.
You can check that. And I discovered the Andamans in a direct route from my east african colony - you can check that as well.
So sorry about this folks.....but I would find editing all discovered zones away far too hard.
http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screensave19kz1.jpg
Count all the rebels - there are about 30 provinces under siege by rebels, plus a couple more already under rebel control. France started stab hiting me December of 1467. Tell me how in little more then 6 months i got so many rebels.
Also when i was DOWed i had +3 stability. There is no way to make Spain go from +3 to -2 in that time. I had no random events giving me negative stability, mind you.
It takes 2 months to automatically refuse a peace proposal. Thus, in 6 months, he could have only sent 3 peace proposals.
These screenshots were all taken from one of the saves from our many rehosts - check it by yourself if you also think "i am lying" like FAL. Venice_May_1568 was the name of the save.