Sid Meier said:
If you are like that, then I am glad you aren't in the game anymore.
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If you are like that, then I am glad you aren't in the game anymore.
BurningEGO said:
Except that you are building 5 manufactories already.
I hate this outright exploiting of the looting mechanism to the bone, but since we don't have a rule against it, not much can be done.
But perhaps we can adopt a rule against it now?
BurningEGO said:
France has, besides 5-5-5 Richemont, 4-4-4 Dunois living longer than Philip. Both are better than Philip with his crappy stats. I don't see the advantage of Burgundy.
FAL said:
Richemonte was nerfed to 4 shock and Philip raised to 4 shock. As in Drake's scenario. You didnt expect to be kept with a 5 shock leader against Burgundy's 3 shock did you? That would be like saying "annex burgundy annex em".
FAL said:
Of course you do. That is why you "tried" to loot. But you failed to do such, at least as nicely as i do.
You now think that everything in EU2 is an exploit... First exploring with 100 ships, now looting? Pu-lease FAL. What will be next? Sending stab hits on peace proposals?
And of course FAL since Spain is a lot poorer then France at scenario start up, you are obviously against looting. If you expect to build manufactories nearly at start and reach trade 3 pretty soon as Spain, looting is of the essense. You complained that Spain was piss poor, but i ended the game in 1480 building 5 manufactories. But i guess that is because i am a semi newbie.
Then i dont suppose you could compensate me too?King John said:
Dont go around hoping. That seems to be the only way for Ego to communicate on these boards
. Maybe its a cultural thing.
*sigh*
I have broken a rule.
So i propose a punishment like BB costs for DoWing both nations, as well as monetary loss for the non-existant war, as well as minus stab for the DoWs too.
Just what I could think of. Please be lenient, also because I realized and pointed out a rule breakage that might not have been noticed otherwise.
I have broken a rule.
The nations are Nogai and Khazak horde, MA:d when I was exploring the East. Before the GM goes all trigger happy, I would like to point out that what I did in the East could have been done through DoWs too, but I was too afraid of taking badboy (of which I have all too much already).
So i propose a punishment like BB costs for DoWing both nations, as well as monetary loss for the non-existant war, as well as minus stab for the DoWs too.
Just what I could think of
. Please be lenient, also because I realized and pointed out a rule breakage that might not have been noticed otherwise.
Mulliman said:Dont go around hoping. That seems to be the only way for Ego to communicate on these boards
Aye.....it puzzles me too. Really, Ego, you very clearly are an otherwise intelligent man.
Why the need of such condescending a tone, such rough manners? (I honestly don´t want to start another flamewar here, I just wonder if it would be in the realm of possibility for you to be more....sophisticated....in the ways you express yourself?)
Ampoliros said:Aye.....it puzzles me too. Really, Ego, you very clearly are an otherwise intelligent man.
Rough manners? More sophisticated? Did i defamate someone? Did i insult you? I just spoke the truth.
And the one who is puzzled at this precise moment is my EGO. No one has given me a plausible reason to why Burgundy was AIed and onlimited. My best bet is that there isnt even one.
He did not. KJ gave him Burgundy.
You got no cores there so each dow would mean -2 stability. -4 stability for both nations dowed, +4 BB for each dow without a CB, which means, +8 BB in the end.
BB FAQ said:
You also missed leaders on the previous session... A fitting punishment would be giving you no compensation for them (plus +8 BB and -4 stab). Perhaps you are lucky and you caugh John on a good day.
I am impressed. Is it a "cultural thing" to complain when one nation gets onlimited on the first session the player does not show up and when his enemies got a "slight" advantage? You were many times ghosted or AIed on SOE, perhaps we should have onlimited you. Then we would see if it was a "cultural thing" or not.
BurningEGO said:
My bad for not checking more thoroughly the UMP files. Still, you forgot to mention Dunois twice. Burgundy had NO leader advantage to France. Clear?
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BurningEGO said:Of course you do. That is why you "tried" to loot. But you failed to do such, at least as nicely as i do.
You now think that everything in EU2 is an exploit... First exploring with 100 ships, now looting? Pu-lease FAL. What will be next? Sending stab hits on peace proposals?
And of course FAL since Spain is a lot poorer then France at scenario start up, you are obviously against looting. If you expect to build manufactories nearly at start and reach trade 3 pretty soon as Spain, looting is of the essense. You complained that Spain was piss poor, but i ended the game in 1480 building 5 manufactories. But i guess that is because i am a semi newbie.
I have played Spain plenty of times without needing to loot to make the nation powerful. This is the first time I played with someone who exploits to such a degree and it takes away a lot of the game joy for me.
I am against exploits and always have tried to make rules against them. This one is a clear omission.
EGO, if it was just a matter of me not being able to exploit, as you for some strange reason seem to think, why was I one of the few against avoiding the Spanish bankruptcies, despite playing Spain a lot myself?
And you know what EGO? Making a strong nation in the game would be much more impressing if you didn't loot for decades. As it is now, your a achievements reflect very poorly on you.
And one more thing. I strongly advice you to tone down your derogative way of posting.
Mulliman said:Just what I could think of
Werent you the one promoting punishments so hard noone would break the rules in the first place?
FAL said:
Burgundy also has Charles Le Temeraire after Philip...
My dear God FAL, you truly like to exagerate.
We only played 2 decades plus a couple of years. I did not pass the entire game looting. Else my WE would be sky high.
And if you know, looting has its pros and cons, and looting itself does not happen every single month. The Obvious pro from looting is the imediate cash, but the con is that the population growth gets lower - a lot. You see FAL, i am doing you a favor. My MP will not be so high as it would if i did not loot.
Uhm, i also think Spanish bankrupcies shouldnt be slept. Spain is easily the one who benefits a lot from this. I was thinking of adding something about this into the ump tbh - i was thinking that by 1590 and 1620 the gold income on the americas should be lowered a lot. After all, the gold in there didnt keep pumping like water.
Exploits to such a degree?
Well honestly, i just mimicate what i see other players doing. The first time i saw someone using pillage effectively was King John on EGA 6 iirc. He was damned rich by the 1500's and his income wasnt that high. I started pillaging soon afterwards as well (on other games), and i must say, it was love at first sight.
Of course, he was not the only one. I remember Drake doing it as Spain as well. I remember Absolut pillaging German minors as crap on Last Huzzah, and i am fairly sure he did the same yesterday.
But of course, when it is poor EGO, everything becomes an exploit, because i am a gamey bastard.
When it is someone as King John doing it, everyone praises him for his inteligence. When it is EGO, everyone picks up a stone and throws it at me as if i was Mary Magdalene. Now honestly FAL what is the catch? Are you afraid of me just because i built 5 refineries before anyone else? :rofl:
I always pillage. I did it now, and i did it in SOE. King John also pillaged the Golden Horde for years on SOE. Why didnt you complain? But now, since i am your big neighbour, that changes everything... Doesnt it?
I do not care if its an exploit on your eyes or not. Johan made pillage as it is. E-v-e-r-y-o-n-e, yes, Everyone, is able to use it. So everyone has the same advantage. If you do not pillage, well too bad, your problem. You cannot blame me, much less say that i am "exploiting", if i am smarter then you. It is exactly the same as with the 100 fleet exploration thing. Paradox designed it to be like that, and if it did, then it is no exploit. If you want, we can PM Johan himself, and waste his time, to see if this is an exploit or not, and if it was intended to be like that or not. But i believe the answer is pretty obvious.
Different situation. But im not surprised you dont understand, since you didnt catch my point in the first placeAbsolut said:Werent you the one promoting punishments so hard noone would break the rules in the first place?
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Mulliman said:Different situation. But im not surprised you dont understand, since you didnt catch my point in the first place
I was joking, I dont really care what kind of punishment you get.
BurningEGO said:But of course, when it is poor EGO, everything becomes an exploit, because i am a gamey bastard.
You can be assured I would complain if someone else was doing it as well
And no, I don't praise King John if he exploits. Don't make things up.
I don't recall Mary Magalene being thrown stones at, by the way. But perhaps you expect to be immortalised in a popular fiction book centuries later?
You mean...you weren't my big neighbour in SOE?
So what? Everyone is able to use pirates to hinder the retreat of an army as well. E-v-e-r-y-o-n-e.
And paradox designed that as well.
What matters is that we, as the players in this campaign, like this to be part of our games or not. I don't.
But if the majority disagrees with me, so be it.
In the face of humor, we stand strong! NEVER SURRENDER!Absolut said:I was joking, I dont really care what kind of punishment you get.
Wasnt she being thrown stones at for being an adultress? Maybe it was some other woman but i am fairly sure it was she.
Drake is doing it, you did it with Switzerland, and most probably Absolut did it with his german minors. And of course i was no exception either.