The Penalty for Deportations

[SacremPyrobolum]

I was happy to hear that in Utopia there would be a way to get rid of unwanted alien pops without going all arbeit mach frei on their butts. Displacement seems like a reasonable policy for a mildly xenophobic empire to take.

The question is whether an empire which employs such policies will actually be able to engage in meaningful diplomacy. Even if the penalties are lower than other forms of purging I can still see diplomacy eventually becoming just as unfeasible as it would be if you killed them off.

I'm hoping that A) The penalty will lower much quicker (not 1 point of 1000 per year) and B) It will only effect some empires.

 

[The Danish King]

I would be EXTREMELY surprised if the malice for the different kind of "purging" were the same.

 

[SacremPyrobolum]

I would be EXTREMELY surprised if the malice for the different kind of "purging" were the same.

I'm not worried that they are going to be the same I'm worried that the difference won't be extreme enough to really matter.

 

[Cagliostro]

Yeah, the problem with purging mechanics right now is that there's only a tiny window between 'totally okay with everyone' and 'totally not okay with everyone'.

There needs to be a more subtle scale, which will be a little tricky with the diplomatic modifiers as they are now. Like, if it's a strict per pop value that affects everyone and caps at 1000, it means that exiling seven planets is effectively totally the same as purging seven planets, as they both mean 'everyone in the galaxy hates you totally'. It's ok to have people ticked off, but the AI can't make a rational distinction between an expansionary power that is displacing aliens and, say, a murderous race that has exterminated seventeen species.

 

[Strager]

It's ok to have people ticked off, but the AI can't make a rational distinction between an expansionary power that is displacing aliens and, say, a murderous race that has exterminated seventeen species.

18, but who's counting....

 

[Moonshadow101]

I can see two variables in how much empires care about displacement: ethos and location.

Authoritarian empires should see the value in controlling your populations, and shouldn't care. Likewise, Xenophobes shouldn't care unless the species you're removing in theirs. Egalitarians and Xenophiles should consider it immoral.

The other angle is borders. If you share a border with an empire, displacement should piss them off somewhat regardless of ethos, because presumably some of the refugees are going to become their problem.

 

[Avian Overlord]

The other angle is borders. If you share a border with an empire, displacement should piss them off somewhat regardless of ethos, because presumably some of the refugees are going to become their problem.

I ain't gonna complain about free pops. And to put it more generally, accepting refugees is a choice of the empire taking them, so you won't get unwanted migrations.