The Papal States
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I don't think the Papal State can peacefully change religion. I think if a Muslim nation conquers them and releases them as their vassal the Papal State will be Muslim but then the a Muslim Papal State will have to convert catholic Rome (nearly impossible for AI).Can you....Turn them into another religion?
(YES I ASKED IT and its not trolling)
As others mentioned, I thing the Kingdom of God decision should give permanent Curia control to the Papal State. As it is right now, the Papal State has nothing special going on for it and that is simply wrong.
And should the above suggestion be deemed too OP, there could be requirement to have Curia control to enact the decision.
And should the above suggestion be deemed too OP, there could be requirement to have Curia control to enact the decision.
Pretty sure when you annex all their provinces another Theocracy is randomly asked (at least I think its random, could be european first) to provide them with a single province to move there. I have seen them even Tibet...And Tibet is not Catholic...
Once annexed the Papal States spawns in a different province - that is true. However, this only will happen a few times. Once you've annexed the Papal States 2-3 times the Papal States is gone until released as vassal. For a curia controller this is the best situation because without an existing Papal States the curia controller can excommunicate any catholic country they wish to excommunicate. Furthermore, the Papal States can only spawn in catholic provinces. The Papal States spawning in non-catholic Tibet is, as far as I know, impossible.
Does excommunication do anything more than give the excommunication cb to other nations? I remember it having many other effects in EU3, but the tool-tip only mentions the excommunication cb.
Thanks in advance.
Unless I remember incorrectly, excommunication is like 25% cost/AE so it is extremely strong.
Granted it was an older patch, dont know if it was ironed out. If I can find a stable connection Ill post the pick. I am posting through the phone now.
Papal states can be quite fun, but are a bit of a challenge atleast in the beginning before you manage to unite Italy.
my 1.5 game:
- first conquer Urbino
- join HRE as soon as possible I had a dipomat working on it on Day 1 or not long after that
- biggest problem is AE management since you get ungodly amounts of it for any expansion in Italy
- I had Austria and some Italy minors as allies to cut down on AE with them
- also you want Diplomacy as first idea most likely, while you cant diplovassalize you can still force vassalize and feed cores, which should be your main tactic. besides some provinces in Italy I barely cored anything myself
- once you have most of Italy things become easier and the options widen - I went for France first as they had already turned hostile on me and wanted Avignon and Provence from me, bit of a tough cookie but Austria and a strong Spain helped
my Papal States in the year 1599 (1.5 Ironman)
my 1.5 game:
- first conquer Urbino
- join HRE as soon as possible I had a dipomat working on it on Day 1 or not long after that
- biggest problem is AE management since you get ungodly amounts of it for any expansion in Italy
- I had Austria and some Italy minors as allies to cut down on AE with them
- also you want Diplomacy as first idea most likely, while you cant diplovassalize you can still force vassalize and feed cores, which should be your main tactic. besides some provinces in Italy I barely cored anything myself
- once you have most of Italy things become easier and the options widen - I went for France first as they had already turned hostile on me and wanted Avignon and Provence from me, bit of a tough cookie but Austria and a strong Spain helped
my Papal States in the year 1599 (1.5 Ironman)
The excommunication CB decreases relations with other catholic countries by -50 and by -200 with the Papal States. Excommunication CB is very powerful because it's a 50% AE CB for: Full Annexation, Conquest of all Provinces, Claim Revocation, Core Return, Liberation of Vassals, Liberation of Countries, Monetary Reparations, Enforced Vassalge, Enforced Protectore, Concession of Defeat. This is especially good because it allows you to vassalize countries for little AE. Furthermore the CB gives 125% prestige.
For my third idea group, I'm considering Colonization or Expansion -but this thread (http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...n-country-colonization-is-even-more-pointless) is making me think that perhaps colonization is bad strategy for The Papal States. What do you think?
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
I colonized in my current Savoy game and regret it. It's not really rewarding.
What would you have chosen instead if you could do it over again? Thanks in advance.