The Ottomans need to be renamed.

[Avrelianvs]

Same people called Eastern Roman Empire "Greek Empire". I dont think we should care much about what Europeans or others granted back than.



It sounds weird.

Well, at the same time you're saying we shouldn't care what the foreigners called that state and immediatly after that you call "weird" if I propose to call that state as the dominat people in it, the turks, called it. You need to take a pick, my man.

 

[Thure]

I think the name should definitely change to Turkey if it becomes a republic. And it always irritates me very much as a German that the English mangle their name to "Ottoman" which sound kind of German while we Germans use the more correct term "Osmanisches Reich".

AThe Arabic Form of Osman is Uthman or Othman. The Germans use the Turkish form Osman. The English speakers use the more arabic form in a anglication.

But interesting for this topic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_Ottoman_Empire

 

[kingsword]

I think the name should definitely change to Turkey if it becomes a republic. And it always irritates me very much as a German that the English mangle their name to "Ottoman" which sound kind of German while we Germans use the more correct term "Osmanisches Reich".

That is in fact weird, one would think Osman was Germanized into Ottoman and then the rest of Europe adopted that. I wonder who did that first and was from where. It's kind of a misheard lyrics affair.

Thure cleared that up I guess.

 

[DanubianCossak]

It appears to me that most contemporary people who were neighbors to Ottomans called them "Osman"-something.

So rename it to Osmanli ? I dunno.

 

[Enewald]

It appears to me that most contemporary people who were neighbors to Ottomans called them "Osman"-something.

So rename it to Osmanli ? I dunno.

I would have them start as Osmanli, then they could become Ottoman Empire once they conquer over 20 provinces and have gained Konstantinople.

 

[Avrelianvs]

It appears to me that most contemporary people who were neighbors to Ottomans called them "Osman"-something.

So rename it to Osmanli ? I dunno.

Osmanli was the name they used, and that populations under them used too, which btw, just means "of Osman" or "Osmanish" if we are trying for a modern english translation. The problem is that that will open a can of worms: if you're calling the turkish state Osmanli, then why not calling Hungary, Magyarország? Or Austria, Österreich for that matter? The fact is that Osman, or Ottoman if you like the arabic version better, is a dynastic name: it's not possible to avoid this fact. Only with Ataturk's Republic that state became a nation: until then it was just "all the lands under the Osman dynasty rule".

So, leave it as it is, or if you REALLY have to change it, put a dynastic tag to it. Either way, just it's not possible to make all happy: even in medieval times, people called that state as they liked best or as it was more convenient for them.

 

[Sieda]

Personally, I think "Ottoman Empire" would work just fine, even if it changes dynasty/government types. You don't necessarily need to be ruled by an autocratic Emperor to be considered an Empire (British Empire, business empires, etc.). And if the throne falls into the hands of another dynasty, they're just inheriting the Empire that was built by the Ottomans. It's easy, and it avoids the issues that arise just out of seeing "Ottomans".

 

[Rey]

Empire of the Great Turk.

 

[PiriReis]

A simple decision that gives the ability to change it to Türkiye or Turkey (compatible with dynasty and government changes) would be fine. You don't like it don't passed the decision, you don't want Ottomans pass the decision. Its just not consistent with Persia (Safavids) Morocco (Marinids) and Tunisia (Hafsids).

 

[Plasma Doctor]

Hungary, Magyarország? Or Austria, Österreich for that matter?

I'd probably be fine with Osterreich because I can pronounce that compared to... Magyarország.

 

[sturmchef]

So the Ottomans, they have a lot of turkeys?

 

[PiriReis]

Also: Tripoli --> Libya and Mameluks --> Egypt

 

[MrLebanon]

Haven't seen a thread with this subject name 400 times before this....

 

[lowdias]

Man if only it was just switzerland, there is a province in morocco named casablanca which is a tad anachronistic

 

[Thure]

Also: Tripoli --> Libya and Mameluks --> Egypt

Tripoli is okay... But Mameluks would be good.

 

[DanubianCossak]

Osmanli was the name they used, and that populations under them used too, which btw, just means "of Osman" or "Osmanish" if we are trying for a modern english translation. The problem is that that will open a can of worms: if you're calling the turkish state Osmanli, then why not calling Hungary, Magyarország? Or Austria, Österreich for that matter? The fact is that Osman, or Ottoman if you like the arabic version better, is a dynastic name: it's not possible to avoid this fact. Only with Ataturk's Republic that state became a nation: until then it was just "all the lands under the Osman dynasty rule".

So, leave it as it is, or if you REALLY have to change it, put a dynastic tag to it. Either way, just it's not possible to make all happy: even in medieval times, people called that state as they liked best or as it was more convenient for them.

ACTUALLY, since you brought it, im Serbian, and in Serbian language, we call our northern neighbors "Madjarska" (Magyarska) which is pretty much land of Magyars. So i got no problem with that.

Another difference that comes to mind is this. Ottomans to Turkey is not what Magyarország is to Hungary.

Magyarország to Hungary is a eff up of English language (like them people like to do often - Serb? Whats that? Im a Srbin, not a Serb?).

Ottomans to Turkey is basically what Moscovy is to Russia. A predecessor that formed it.

 

[unmerged(174159)]

The sexism of paradox omg. Ottowomen need representation also.

Fascist oppressor! Not everyone has a binary sexual identity!

 

[Rey]

The sexism of paradox omg. Ottowomen need representation also.

Make it genderless: Ottohen Empire.

 

[unmerged(671782)]

The Mongol Khanate should be called the Yuan.

 

[Thracian]

ottoperson empire