The Ottoman Experience - a technical AAR

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Koment on MKJ's GC v6

Koment on MKJ's GC v6

1. In Event_89350, it is supposed to give the Othodox Tech Group to the Ottomons. However, after checking the events manuals, I saw that the code should be 'torthodox', not 'orthodox'. Anyway, I left the Ottomans at Muslim tech group, as it was at the begining of the game (in MKJ's GC), for some challenge.

2. Event_95103, giving the 10 Memeluk provinces as core, will not fire if Hedjaz doesn't exist; as in my game where Mameluk annexed it. Considering the logic of the decision to give those provinces as core, and also because I am not that good in playing around with the code, I added the following in my 'MKJ_Mamelukes.txt' file:-

event = {
id = 95100
trigger ={
exists = POR
}
...
...
action_a ={
name = "The Arabs will have to fend for themselves"
command = { type = independence which = ARA} #ADDED BY MYSELF
command = { type = independence which = ADE} #ADDED BY MYSELF
command = { type = relation which = ADE value = -100 } #ADDED BY MYSELF
command = { type = relation which = ARA value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = POR value = 50 }
command = { type = trigger which = 95101 }
command = { type = trigger which = 93102 }

event = {
id = 95104
...
...
action_a ={
name = "The Arabs have betrayed us!"
command = { type = secedeprovince which = ARA value = 495 } #ADDED BY MYSELF - Hedjaz
command = { type = secedeprovince which = ARA value = 496 } #ADDED BY MYSELF - Hedjaz
command = { type = secedeprovince which = ARA value = 497 } #ADDED BY MYSELF - Hedjaz
command = { type = secedeprovince which = ARA value = 498 } #ADDED BY MYSELF - Hedjaz
command = { type = secedeprovince which = ARA value = 499 } #ADDED BY MYSELF - aden
command = { type = secedeprovince which = ARA value = 500 } #ADDED BY MYSELF - aden
command = { type = secedeprovince which = ARA value = 501 } #ADDED BY MYSELF - aden


3. I noticed the Event_93102 in case Karaman had eliminated Turkey. I feel the 'TUR' tag should be changed to Karaman, though I am not sure.

event = {
id = 93102
random = no
country = ARA
...
...
name = "Arabic plea to the Karamans"
action_a ={
name = "Ask for Karaman help"
command = { type = relation which = TUR value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = MAM value = -200 }
command = { type = breakvassal which = MAM }
command = { type = dynastic which = TUR }
command = { type = alliance which = TUR }
command = { type = trigger which = 93103 }
command = { type = trigger which = 95104 }


4. Also, I am not sure if the events should be dependant on the existance of portugal alone. I mean, what if Castille annexed it temporarily?

5. A curiosity - The event giving the core prov. would only start if action_a is choosen. Is it possible for action_b to be chosen by A.I?

5. Last, the war that starts through Event_95103 is probably a noneCB war, as it dropped a lot of stability. I also noted that BB increased by 2 for that event.

I wonder if I am correct in my opinion. In any case I continued the game as per my modifications. I would like some feedback before contacting MKJ.

 

[Warspite]

Ya know Kongu, that is a neat way of approaching the AAR and game. I havent really ever played them before but down the road here I want to give them a shot. See you just got me wanting to play the game now

 

[Bismarck]

I couldn't play them just yet myself... sort of be wrong at the moment... I'd have to clear the palate before I did...

M

 

[Mad King James]

Re: Koment on MKJ's GC v6

Originally posted by kongu3
Koment on MKJ's GC v6

1. In Event_89350, it is supposed to give the Othodox Tech Group to the Ottomons. However, after checking the events manuals, I saw that the code should be 'torthodox', not 'orthodox'. Anyway, I left the Ottomans at Muslim tech group, as it was at the begining of the game (in MKJ's GC), for some challenge.

2. Event_95103, giving the 10 Memeluk provinces as core, will not fire if Hedjaz doesn't exist; as in my game where Mameluk annexed it. Considering the logic of the decision to give those provinces as core, and also because I am not that good in playing around with the code, I added the following in my 'MKJ_Mamelukes.txt' file:-

1: Yeah I fixed that in my latest version, sorry about that everyone!

2: Good ideas! I'll put em in my next version and give you 'special thanks' in my readme

I can never use too much feedback, so I depend on guys like you to point these things out to me so I can fix them, thanks.

Oh and by the way, the Turkic Legacy event is the legacy of the Avars and Bulgars, not the Serbs

 

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OHH, the Papacy a vassal to the infidel? Ouch.

Well played again.

 

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MKJ,
Thanks for taking notice. We all appreciate the efforts you take to make those Great Grand Campaigns.
And yes, I checked it is the 'Avars and Bulgars'. and not 'Serbs and Bulgars'. Will edit my post.



Warspite,

Ya know Kongu, that is a neat way of approaching the AAR and game.

Comring from you, that is indeed a very high compliment!



shawng1,
Vassalising the Pope was a bit of an ego streak, though it doesn't seem a nice idea right now, as the Papal states gets into alliance with persons I want to attack and most of the time, I cannot afford the stab hits to break vassalisation. Still, it was nice to vassalise someone in Italy this early in the game.

 

[Bismarck]

well, couldn't you make them break their vassalage... I thought that was possible...

Forgive me if I am wrong, but I am only on my second full-length game, and that is an aspect I am fuzzy on....

M

 

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TECHNOLOGY COST TABLE.

TECHNOLOGY COST:
While I got a lot of info about Research from the forums, I was not able to find certain things. Maybe I didn't look at the right places. Anyway,

I use the following list as a guide to how much research is needed to get a particular tech.
(Of course, for naval/land, it only applies if the date is not too forward. However, since I don't research too much ahead of my neighbours, never bothered about date)

Standard TECH COSTS: Baden, 1-prov, latin group. Domestic settings on neutral.

lvl LAND/NAVY TRADE INFRA
1. 103 ______ 103 __ 103
2. 1048 _____ 625 __ 625
3. 2274 _____ 5641 _ 2708
4. 1662 _____ 2921 _ 5213
5. 1128 _____ 4934 _ 4914 (=13.6k)
6. 1143 _____ 3851 _ 4493
7. 1158 _____ 4001 _ 4001
8. 232 ______ 5616 _ 5616
9. 116 ______ 9027 _ 9027
10.469(=9.3k) 7923 _ 7923(=45k)
11. 710
12. 1199
13. 1464
14. 1236
15. 623
16. 629 (=15.2k)
17. 1927
18. 2633
19. 2014
20. 1364 (=23.2k)
30. 1389 (=38k)
40. 967 (=43k)
50. 854 (=50k)
51. 170
52. 171
53. 515
54. 517
55. 519
56. 697
57. 699
58. 526
59. 483
60. 1058

( the '=' means the total cost to get that level)

If tech=muslim, Land01=$147 Orthodox: $126 China: $136 Exotic: $200 latin: $103)
City Effect on Tech: gets to 2x after 8 cities and remain so for about 20 cities. However, it increases again.
Using DS, Minimum:Tech Cost: 65% Max Tech Cost::135%
So, if in Muslim Tech Group, above 8 cities with neutral settings, can easily expect the tech cost to be 3 times the listed amount.
Hope the table will be of use to someone.

 

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Bismark said,
well, couldn't you make them break their vassalage... I thought that was possible...
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Someone may correct me but it seems we can either cancel our vassalisation of them or they can break it themselves, costing -3 stability for the guilty party. Albania, Georgia & Wallachia are so comfortable being my vassal for decades, although relationship -200.

I think they COULD break vassalage if someone in their alliance DoW us and they join in. Fat chance for me, since I was DoWed only once this game.

On the other hand, I am not sure what would happen if someone in their alliance DoW someone in my alliance. Will I break Vassalage first by going to my allies' aid? Or is it 'first come first serve', whereby if you see your vassal in the list of those at war with your ally, then you shall be the guilty party if you join the war.

Experience is, if you are strong, you are stuck with making someone a vassal. I mean, for Ottomons, getting back that -3 stab would mean 3-4 years of research down the drain.

To overcome that, I got rid of my 3 vassals when at stab -2, since I wll only go down 1 stab instead of 9!

 

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Further on end of Century (1500)

INTERESTING INFO ON YEAR 1500

Since I am not really sure about my objectives (except to avoid exploits and keep respectable rep.), the VP may also be a guide.
Maybe I should be satisfied if I get double the VP of the next-best European country.

I guess any strategy other than just kicking and trampling the A.I would be refreshing!
I also think I hit upon this strategy because MKJ made this incremental core provinces.

VICTORY POINTS
1104 Ottomans
634 China
611 Portugal
523 France
436 Austria
270 Moscovy (estimates from ledger)
250 Castile
205 England
259 Sweden

TRADE:
OE gets 21X12=152 /4300 (before the 67% modification).
=6.8% (or 1/17) of world Trade, using autosend of its merchants.


TRIVIA for the century (actually 80 years):
Stability dropped 35 times. (18-events, 9-domestic sliders, 8-RM,alliance,etc.)
(26 occasions of stability increase. So, maybe 35-26=9 due to events?)

1 DoW on OE (Trebizon, 1421)
5 DoW by OE (Rome, Qara Koyunly, Karaman, Venice, PapalStates)
114 merchants lost.

141 DoW by everyone.
& 586 cases of nations joining an existing war.
589 revolts all over.
980 cities captured.
48 White Peace
172 case of entering military allliances.
93 - dishonour alliance.

Game speed changed 56 times!



RANDOM EVENTS:
5 Diplomatic Move
4 Scandal at court
4 New Valuable Mineral
4 Plague!
3 Exceptional Year
3 Diplomatic Insult
3 Temporary Insanity of Monarch
3 Enthusiasm for the Army
2 New Land Claimed
2 Heretics
2 Great royal hunt
2 Unhappiness among the Merchants
1 Internal Trade Ordinance
1 Monopoly Company Formed
1 Reformation of the Navy
1 Conversion of Heretics
1 Gift to the State
1 End of a great Feud
1 Assassination of Noble
1 Unhappiness among the Peasantry

1 A Heir to the Crown
1 Poor Government Policies
1 Meteor Sighted
1 Nobles Ally with Foreign Power
1 Political Crisis
1 Enthusiasm for the Navy

I feel the events are much better than normal. I mean, only one meteor, only one political crisis, etc. while 3 exceptional year and 3 EnthuasismForArmy. I wonder if BB has any effect.

 

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Year 1500-1509

in 1500,
aristocracy = 8
centralization = 7
innovative = 3
mercantilism = 6
offensive = 10
land = 7
quality = 10
serfdom = 5

Year 1500.
Reputation:Respectable; DS:+Offensive
Income=$85/mth; Stabilty cost:$624;
Army:27/27/6.0; Navy:55(total); ArmyLosses:132/105/0.8

I now have army two leaders, both with seige=0.

Events:
1500ortugal chose *Forcefully Control the Spice Trade*
1500 March: Mameluks chose 'The Arabs will have to Fend for Themselves' in the *Infidel Portugues* Event.
-This causes *Arabs Turn to Ottoman Sultan Event*

This event results in the following:
- 10 Arab provinces become our core provinces. (This is actually all of the original Mameluk provinces)
- Ottomans gain Arabic as state culture.
- A war is automatically declared upon the Mameluks.
- OE gains 20infantry and 10 cavalry in Thrace.

Moscow dishonoured the alliance but (unfortunately) Teutonic Order joined battle, at least in spirit.
One other result of the event is, I lost 4 stability and am now at stab= - 3.
Since ths was a horrible situation, as well put it to some use. For decades, Albania, Wallachia and Georgia had been my vassals. Useless to me because I cannot diplo-annex. I had to get rid of them and this is the chance to do that, without any (further) bad effects.
(Note: It seems to take 2 diplomats to cancel a vassalisation. I finished all my 6 diplomats to cancel 3 vassalisations.)

Ottomon-Mameluk War, 1500-02
There are only a few things to remember in this situation.
1. Make sure Army/Navy maintenance is full.
2. Try to avoid their navies and land in Egypt as soon as possible. The Mameluk navy morale, while not as good as Venice, can definitely beat the Ottomans at times.

Anyway, my interior reserves (10/7/0) in Syria moved into Judea & Samaria while a shipload started from Thrace to Egypt. I saw the 'blocked' symbol in Crete's ports. So, avoided that route. I was sure I would win the sea battle but I prefer to unload the men into Egypt first.

June: Sinan, with 13k, almost lost to a 1k unit in Samaria. He did win eventually, killing the last 100 men just seconds before morale breakdown. (Then I realised the maintenance slider is still at 50%.)
The Mameluks had 20k army but unfortunately (for them) mostly infantry. Once the troops landed in Egypt, they were able to run over those in Egypt and also the other units which came into Egypt. Newly built Mameluk troops staged in Alexandria but didn't even come to 10k.

Sept: Samaria falls
Dec: Egypt falls.

On February 1501, LandTech-05 was researched, giving the ability to assault. The army from Egypt moved to Alexandria to annihilate the remaining Mameluk troops.

However, the glory of being the first fort to fall to the Ottoman assault in history (or this game) went to Sinai. By September 1501, all their major provinces had fallen to assault, leaving only Nubia and Basrah, which stood until March 1502. (For Basrah, I had to move through my Qara Koyunlu vassal but there is not much choice since Mameluk is also doing the same.)

Lost a sea battle near Alexandria but who cares?
With 100% score against it, Mameluk offered 8 provinces although I wanted just 6. However, when I negotiated for 6 provinces, it was rejected twice.

With stab= -2, the people are getting restless and Adana revolted, followed by two others. By end of 1502, all my provinces had 1-4% revolt ristk.

On October, I accepted Mameluk's offer of 8 provinces, although it refused to to give Cataract, meaning the Nile province is isolated.
- Judea, Samaria, Sinai; Delta,Alexandria, Quatara, Cyrenica; Nile.

Well, this is not the end.


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Other Events of the decade:
A CoT emerges in Andalusia. (1501)

After a long time, receivd a lone colonist. He was asked to go to Ionia.

1502 October: the *Veneto-Turkish Conflict* Event.
Naturally I chose 'Refuse even to discuss compensation', with stab+1 and bad relationship with Venice, Genoa and Pope. Else the alternative is to give Alexandria to Venice for some good relations.

By rejecting to join Moscow's war against Novgorod in 1503, broke the alliance with TO.

Timurid had *Babur's Ambitions* Event while Tuscany had *Michalengelo* event.

Once Astrakan's alliance with Golden Horde expired (1505), she was allied, bribed and annexed. (second non-core province).
Karaman: had to pump in 2 state gifts but finally annexed. Thus completing the job in Turkey proper.

Saratow defected from Moscovy to Golden Horde. At this rate, how to diplo-annex GH in the future?

Persia is created again, with 3 provinces.
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End of Decade Notes:

While a lot was achieved, like taking 8 core provinces, annexing Astrakan and Karaman, there is not much to put into writing. I did think about biting into Europe but there was heavy fighting going on over there. Hopefully they will be sufficiently exhausted next decade.

BTW, the war against Mameluk took about 16/16/.1. Good but would have been cheaper if I didn't go on an 'assault' frenzy.

 

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Year 1510-1519

Year 1510.
Reputation:Respectable; DS:+FreeTrade
Income=$111/mth; Stabilty cost:$852;
Army:42/34/5.9; Navy:66(total); ArmyLosses:148/122/0.9

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This decade is quite interesting and a good political intrigue can be woven around it. However, I will tell the 'story' mostly in gameplay terms since that is how I had been doing all along.

As I wrap up the last walkover er.. war, with Mameluk, I am seeing, even in the end of the previous decade, some interesting wars and thus some decision to make..

1.There happens to be a strong alliance between Castille, Aragon and England. I can't think of a more powerful combination than Spain-England, which they soon would be.
2.Lithuanian Allliance: Austria is no more inside. Currently, tiny Gelre is controlling Jedisan, a province of Lithuania that happens to have my shields. (Poland has 3 shields of mine).
3. With Hungary in TO alliance and having a dozen of my shields, it is time to seriously think of finding some new support group.
4. Should I make friends with the Danish alliance (Denmark, Sweden, Portugal)?
5. Also, is there a way to encourage Crimea to break vassalage to Poland so I could annex?

I am more or less forced to diplo-annex the east while using pure violence on the west. Obviously I should take my core provinces first. Choice is either Poland-Lithuania or Hungary. However, the core includes Magyar, meaning I need a series of wars with the Magyars to get all I want. Furthermore, grabbing Hungary takes me to the middle of Europe, which I am not really prepared. That Carpanthia seems so faaaar away from Istanbul.
}
So,

A state Gift to the TO and before I could send another diplomat, an invitation to partake in the war reaches Istanbul. Since a check had shown the Lithuanian alliance is battling 6 countries, it should be okay. (FYI, Lith/TO/Moscovy have permanent causus belli so are always at war).

War Against Lithuania/Poland 1510-12
(TO, Moscovy,Corsica, Hungary, OE vs. Poland, Lith, Ragusa, Albania, Bohemia)
On April, The Poles in Bujak successfully reminded me the maintenance slider is again at 50%.!!

However, as usual the Lithuanians are too busy northwards. I added 10k inf. to the 12k cavalry in Crimea and let them loose in Lithuania. After all, if tiny Gelre had braved Lithuania to siege and control Jedisan, we could do better.
Sometimes it is VERY hard to assault a fortress when there is no breach but with most forts still 'Minimal', it was not that hard. Took 3 provinces before year end (Donetsk, Krementjug, Belgorod). However, I realise I cannot get Jedisan until Gelre signs a peace treaty.

The Poles were having a feud going on with Wallachia and her new ally, Albania. (Since I 'un-vassalised' those two last decade, they had banded together). As the Poles moved to Wallachia from Moldovia, I sneaked in Hadim Sinan to make a quick job of the minimal fotress in Moldovia, which he did. Bujak, OTOH, held for months, until I could get my artillery to come and create a breach.

The Poles returned to Moldavia, defeated Sinan, and laid siege. Although Bujak fell to us on Jan. 1511, I was not sure if I could fight without recruiting a lot of men if Lithuania braces herself.

On the Lithuanian side, they were trying to retake the forts I won but it took time. On August 1511, Gelre accepted peace for cash, leaving Jedisan free to be seiged. The army from Bujak went into Jedisan to siege and assault while the Crimean unit successfully held off and routed a 20k Lithuanian infantry.

On October 1511, with her 4 provinces under our feet and the Russian menace north, Lithuania accepted peace, giving Jedisan to the Ottomans.

Meanwhile, I had accepted white peace with everyone else, including puny Albania. Thus, only Poland to go. The problem is, she still had enough troops to force an all-out mobilisation on our side. Nevertheless, Hadim Sinan took Podolia, thus gaining us all the 3 claimed provinces. However, that is not enough to pursuade Poland. Fighting was also going on in Moldovia, where we lost 3 times. Luckily Poland didn't have assault capability yet, meaning Moldovia will take time to fall.
Sinan, having been sent over the border to regroup in Lithuania, launched a brilliant attack against Galizien, and also assaulted the 10k fort successfully on September.

Yet, Poland would not budge in negotiations and I was in a fix. Winter is coming and the battle results show I cannot win a man-to-man fight with Poland in THEIR land. Even as I was thinking, November saw Winter in Podolia, Galizien and Podlasia, meaning Sinan cannot escape the attrition, as he was stuck in the middle in Galizien. To make things worse, a 20k Army was coming from the west while the Polish be-siegers in Moldavia packed up and moved north.

Thus, Hadim Sinan moved recklessly into Podlasia. Even as he reached the province defended by a 10k fort, his army had been reduced to 12k. So, on freezing December, he did what a sane Turk will never do. He assaulted the fort, kept assaulting it even when his men are only 9k, and .. won!!

A peace treaty was signed with Poland on Jan. 1512, in front of our new leader (and King), Selim I Yavuz, whereby Poland gave up our three provinces of Moldovia, Bujak, Podolia.

However, the celebrations were muted as the men were mourning the death of Hadim Sinan, who died before he could see the Polish Christmas. There has never been such attachment to a commander since Iskander Bey. Although Sinan was not an excellent commander, he did give the Ottomans a very important victory at a very critical moment.

Thus ends the war, with the Ottomans liberating Moldovia,Bujak, Podolia and Jedisan.
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The war period also saw two other commanders expire: Hadim Ali and Kemal Reis. However, with Selim I here, the men are very hopeful about the future.
I also wish, as always, we didn't lose the 46k men in the last two years. Still, with the Teutons setting the pace of this war, can't risk losing everything by going slow.

In the meantime, there is this problem of managing 3 religions. Obviously, only podolia is Catholic but there are more to come from Hungary. Also, I don't feel like wasting a standing army in Podolia.
As if we don't have enough problems, *Wave of Obscurantism* strikes, with +3 RR. Even as I adjusted the religious tolerance, Konya revolted!

1513: Sent two state gifts to Nubia, while the King boarded ship with some men who had no idea where they are going.
The Ottomans under me, rightly or wrongly, had built up an attachment for the Teutonic Order. Yet, they have to leave the alliance once again, and it would be a long before they could join up in battle again. Right now, the need is to take out Egypt. Beyond that, the Hungarians in the TO alliance is simply too unfortunate. We just hope we never have to cross swords directly with them as we seek our destiny in Hungary.

Un-surprise! On June 1513, Nubia offers alliance. However, nothing happens after that. After a long wait, it was decided to DoW Mameluks on February 1514. At least Nubia joined the war!


War Against Mameluks 1514-18
(OE, Nubia vs. Mameluk)
At first, our 10k army failed againt 5k in Nile. Still, it doesn't matter since the Mameluks don't have much to throw at us.

On to 1515. We had captured basrah, Cataract and Egypt. However, this war was not about that though. What is really needed is for our Nubian friends to re-take their two provinces (Nubia, Bisharin). The OE, as leader of alliance, asked the Memeluks to give those provinces to Nubia. However, with the current war score, they are not willing to. If OE takes those two provs though, we cannot ask the Mameluks to give those to the Nubians. In effect, the Nubians must take it, which they are not willing to.

Then I saw they have just a 2k army. Speculating, I pump in another State Gift. They suddenly began building army. Aha!!
Presented 2 more state gifts and the Nubians produced a 15k army, which marched and sieged Nubia on Feb. 1516. Selim was beside them until the fort showed -5, and came out, since otherwise the fort will fall to us.

The same was repeated in Bisharin, which fell on 1518. Yech! Such a long period of nothingness.

After 2 attempts convining the Mameluks, a final treaty was signed on 1518:
- Nubians get Nubia, Bisharin
- OE: gets Cataract, Mameluks become vassal.
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Other Events in the decade:
In Ottoman Realm,
We had Selim as Monarch on May 1512.
*Turko-Persian Conflict* Event:
- Choice is either to crush Shiites or change into them. Crushed them to get stab+1, LandTech$200.
(would be interesting to change religion too but maybe in another game)

*The Great Naval Reform* Event of 1515: choose 'Build the Imperial Halic Shipyard'.
- costs $600 but gives: NavalTech$1000, Shipyard!, 25VP, 20 galley.


*The Celali Uprising* event: similar to the Turko Persian conflicts. If you choose to crush the rebels previously, not much use choosing otherwise here.

Researched TradeTech-04 & InfraTech-04.
Tried some indoctrination: Moldovia fails while Podolia and Jedisan a success.

Elsewhere,
Portugal made white peace with Zulu, DoW Benin.
*Reformation: Enables protestant religion* event (1516)
*Enable Treaty of Tordesillas Rules* Event, (1518)
Tuscany Annexes Albania (1516)
Hungary gives Dalmatia to England, Istria to Aragon. (1519)
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End of Decade Notes:
It has been a very interesting decade, where reckless bravery somehow worked in Poland while patience was used against Mameluks.

More seriously, I also note that Albania, Dalmatia and Istria, all core provinces, are in foreign hands. (tuscany, england, spain)

OTOH, getting that shipyard opens up some colonising possiblities, but it doesn't yet seem plausible to beam down a man in Goa.

 

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Bismarck,

They can't break a forced-vassilization for 5 years. And they never have to beak a vassal's agreement. They only can if they choose. Also, in 1.05, your relations get stabbed for every agreement you break with anyone in an enemy alliance you DoW. So if you have RMs with 3 members of the enemy alliance, your stab goes down -3 (+ your normal DoW stab hit, if applicable). Same goes for a vassal in the enemy. Better to let the enemy alliance DoW you so you can let them take the stab hit.

 

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Another problem with the Events.

I had another problem with the scripted event. Halfway around figting the Hungarians (1520-30 decade), I realised that Spain had not yet been formed. Usually it forms around Reformation.

I checked the files and saw that it required:-
1. a certain province is controlled either by Aragon or Spain (Madrid, maybe)
2. One is a vassal to another.
3. More importantly, it seems the event is ONLY possible on January-April 1516.

In the game I play, for some reasons Aragon had broken her vassalisation around 1498.

For gameplay purpose at least, I feel (2) should be scapped while (3) should be modified with a longer period. Maybe 1510-1550. OTOH, I know very little of European history this period.

In any case, I didn't think it fun to play without Spain, and modied the final script for unification thus:


# Spain is Unified
event = {

id = 3848
random = no
country = CAS
name = "EVENTNAME3848"
desc = "EVENTHIST3848"
style = 2

#----------ADDED BY MYSELF----------------------
trigger = { owned = { province = 436 data = -1 }}
date = { day = 24 month = january year = 1516 }
deathdate = { day = 24 month = april year = 1550 }
#--------------------------------------


Note: The difference between MKJ's and Paradox files is, MKJ had created a mirror event for Aragon to inherit Castile and become Spain.

 

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Originally posted by shawng1
Also, in 1.05, your relations get stabbed for every agreement you break with anyone in an enemy alliance you DoW. So if you have RMs with 3 members of the enemy alliance, your stab goes down -3 (+ your normal DoW stab hit, if applicable). Same goes for a vassal in the enemy. Better to let the enemy alliance DoW you so you can let them take the stab hit.

I think this is one of the best changes made to 1.05 by far. It forces you to be very, very careful about who you make your alliances with and, to some degree, who you go to war with. I am now far more discriminate about who I ask to RM - seems more realistic by far!

An interesting read, kongu3

 

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Mr T,

I agree, if you're the one DoWing. I have a little more problem with it when you're simply honoring the alliance. But that might be too tricky to program, I don't know.

 

[Bismarck]

Well, there is always the change religion gambit for a vassal(but the Papal states won't fall into the category)

M

 

[Mad King James]

Good call on that, hmm Aragon broke vassal? I should put in 'Ferdinand renews his commitment to Isabella' event, and jack the deathdate it up to 1575.

 

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MKJ,

Thanks for your reply.
I also think there may be some errors in the following events. Again, I must remind you I play the game TO KNOW some history, and not because I already know the history of this period. So, I am only looking at things in a gameplay perspective.

1.
#The Sultan become 'Khalifa'#
event = { id = 3371
trigger = {
owned = {province = 746 #(Egypt)
NOT = { exists = MAM exists = CAL }
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1517 }
offset = 30
Problem being that Kaliphate is a Mughal vassal and can't be diplo-annexed in that time frame. Also, Iraq is not a core province. I don't really bother about the event but if it is to be of use (with reasonable BB point), maybe a longer time gap would be necessary. This is more so in your version where Mameluks are better attacked in the 16th century begining. Maybe Kalipahate should break vassal with the Mughals too.

2.
event = { # OE's conquest of Syria
id = 89060
trigger = {
control = { province = 490 data = TUR } #(Syria)
}
&
event = { # OE's conquest of Palestine
id = 89061
trigger = {
control = { province = 493 data = TUR } #(Judea)

doestn't seem to work without a date. Again, I don't really think it important because the Mameluks seem an easy prey. Still, it may be historically important and may add some flavour. OTOH, I wonder if it works if we play as Mameluks.

 

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Year 1520-1529 (The end of Hungary)

Year 1520.
Reputation:Respectable; DS:+none
Income=$117/mth; Stabilty cost:$1035;
Army:28/34/5.9; Navy:85(total); ArmyLosses:198/145/0.9
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SITUATION:
Technology:
In Infra and Trade, Ottomans are tops, with level 4. However, in Land/Naval, instead of level-11 by now, we have L-5 & N-3. France has L-11 & N-5 while England has L-7 & N-7.

Province Situation:
Moldova and Bujak still Orthodox.
This decade, chief judges will be promoted in 6 provinces where cultural difference makes them revolt-prone.

Hungary:
Hungary is still with LandTech-03 and is exhausted by wars. The Ottomans have claim over all her provinces except Presburg. Of that, two are protestant (Banat, Transylvania).
Currently, it is at war with Poland and Austria, who are controlling Carpathia and Odenburg respectively. OTOH, it is in the Teutonic alliance.
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1520 Feb: Algiers choose 'Accept the Protection of the grand Sultan' in *The Ottoman vassalisation of Al-Djaziir* Event.
(The Greek pirates who had taken over Algeria now accepts to be in Ottoman fold for a title of Admiralty.)
The effect is the vassalisation of Algeria, an addition of $200 to the treasury, and stab+1

In the same month, having positioned the men, we DoW Hungary, which was already being decimated by Austria and Poland. (We are not knights on clean white horses but poor, hardened & dirty hordes of Anatolia, trained to take advantage of a weakness!)


The War Against Hungary, 1520-1525
As said earlier, 2 of her provinces were already in Polish/Austrian hands.

By May, Hungary, having retaken Carpathia from Poland, sent 25k into Poland, probably to force a peace deal. The remaining 15k stayed in Magyar and stared at us as we went about our bussiness of sieging 5 provinces and covering 2 more.

Croatia was the first to fall, to Suleyman I (siege=1) and his 59 artilleries. This prompted Moscow to offer WhitePeace while we took the initiative to buy off the Teutons for $75, as the men didn't really feel like fighting them.

On Feb.1521, the 31k from Magyar moved into Pest. However, Lt.General Bali side-stepped them and moved his 24k to siege Magyar instead, leaving the Austrians in Pest to do face the Hungarian army.

Even as Bali destroyed the 10k new recruits in Magyar in April, Ruthenia fell.

July 1521 found us fuming. While 3 provinces fell, 2 of the sieges (Carpathia, Magyar) were 'stolen' by the leaders of Poland and Austria. Embarassingly, Pest was retaken by Hungary while Banat and Transylvania rebelled against our religious intolerance.

We finally decided to face the Hungarians in the plains of Pest and Presburg. 3 major battles were won by our cavalry on September. However, once again, the Austrians stole our siege of Presburg just as it was about to fall.

Without much army left, Hungary made peace with Poland and Austria, becoming the vassals of Austria in 1522. We suspected something like this would happen and had stationed some men in the provinces controlled by Poland & Austria, immediately begining a siege once peace was signed with those two.

Since there are no enemy units, we waited patiently until Nov 1523 for all provinces to fall and began negotiations with the Magyars.

The Magyars were willing to give 4 provinces but not the ones we wanted. Indeed, they were as eager to rid of Banat and Transylvania as we were in not wanting these protestant provinces.

Seven diplomats (and many protestant revolts) later, peace was signed in our terms on Feb. 1525:
Hungary to give up 6 provinces - Croatia, Krain, Pest, Odenburg, Ruthenia, Carpathia. (she kept 5)
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1526: *The Habsburg inheritance of Bohemia* and *The Habsburg Inheritance of Hungary* Events.
By this, Austria annexed Hungary while fortunately (for us) only vassalising Bohemia.



OTHER EVENTS:
We had a new monarch, Suleyman I Kanuni. He is the best king so far, expecially in administration. The missionaries are best used while he is here.
There had been 3 revolts in Astrakan by 1524, although it says only 2% revolt risk!!

Qara Koyunlu, a vassal of us, gave up Kirkuk to the Persians and was forced to change religion. There goes our dream of diplo-annexing them.

Poland had the *Creation of Prussia* event.

Spain was created out of Castille and Aragon.
Spain crushed the rebelilion in *The Communeros* event.

England DoW Creek and Lenape while Spain DoW Zapotec.

Ragusa annexed Bosnia.

Missionaries were used aggressively. With the current king, they take <50 months on a project. So, it is possible to send two in a decade. 10 missionaries were sent, with 4 sucesses (Krain, Ruthenia, Odenburg, Pest). However, the ones I really wanted, the orthodox of Moldova and Bujak, refused to submit.
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End Of Decade Notes:
Like the war against the Mameluks, the outcome of the war with Hungary was never in doubt.
I hoped she would annex Wallachia but now that the Austrians had annexed Hungary, I doubt the Austrians would do it, since they are more interested in german areas.
The map looks funny, with the Ottomans as a snake's mouth ready to bite the Austrians.

With Albania in Tuscany's realm and Bosnia annexed by Ragusa, a careful play will save me 2 BB.