The Ottoman empire- Russia's best bud

[anomanderus]

I'm getting kind of tired of Russia and Austria being friends with the ottomans. It makes no sense considering the previous several centuries of russian and austrian policy towards the ottomans. Also Russia should be able to trigger a war with a special liberation casus belli for one of those minor slavic nations in the balkans just so we can have some kind of crimean war. I realize there are a lot of "people"* who believe this game shouldn't be a history simulator, but it makes no sense for the austrians and russians to become best friends with the ottomans in just a decade or less and ultimately the lack of any historical direction often produces idiotic results like France annexing all of northern Spain or Britain completely ignoring the colonialization of Africa to go do something somewhere else.

*absolute morons

 

[Eridan Ampora]

Funny thing is I normally see the Russians invading the Ottomans for Kars region pretty much every game.

I guess you are just unlucky? Sometimes the game does stupid things.

Also, if this was a "history simulator" it would be extremely boring. I like the possibilities of ahistoric things happening, it makes the game fun. I don't want to just sit back and watch real life history be simulated, I want to see fun things like Japan colonising half of Africa.

 

[Chamboozer]

Austria should be supporting the Ottomans. They didn't want to see the Balkans turn into a series of Russian satellites, they preferred a strong Ottoman Empire to maintain the status quo. As for Russia, they should only be opposing the Ottomans to expand (or create) countries in their sphere of influence. They should not support Greece when it's in Britain's sphere, for instance.

 

[Fryslan0109]

I realize that Victoria takes place centuries after the wars of religion, but there should be some sort of malus applied to diplomatic relations between countries of different religions. Maybe not so much with sects (i.e. Orthodox vs. Catholic) but more between Hindu and Muslim or Muslim and Christian. Might help right things in the Balkans vis-a-vis the OE.

 

[Miaow]

"the neighbourhood of turbans is better than that of chapkas".

Or than that of...lederhosen? Anyway, there are a number of reasons why either Russia or Austria, conceivably both, might support the Ottomans.

You might be on to something about decisions to release south Slavic minors, though, when Russia defeats the Ottomans or has them sphered.

 

[blaidd]

Also Russia should be able to trigger a war with a special liberation casus belli for one of those minor slavic nations in the balkans just so we can have some kind of crimean war.

Russia does have a decision that starts a Crimean War analog event. I can't say I've personally seen the AI use it, but it's there. I had it as a player.

I think if there are no early wars the 'peaceful neighbors' modifier tends to make Russia and Ottomans have good relations as time goes on. In my games the Ottomans usually grab a decent ally early to protect themselves and then drop out of GP and get sphered by France or even by Russia itself.

I did notice when I was playing as Spain that I got a bunch of seemingly historical events that ruined my relations with the United States. Maybe something like that could help keep the relations strained between Russia and the Ottomans. Mostly I just found that annoying though. I think if it's going to be done it should be done with the decisions system (US also gets several decisions that hurt relations with Spain) rather than forced events. Real life history is interesting, but it would get boring if the same historical wars happened for the same territory in every game.

 

[macphineas]

Russia does have a decision that starts a Crimean War analog event...

The problem with that decision is that it requires the Ottomans to be something less than a great power, which I haven't seen much of. Russia, France and Austria should all be actively trying to grab land or carve out more for their spheres of influence, which also doesn't happen in game at the moment. The crisis system is a step in the right direction, but there should be either decisions or events to simulate the struggle that France and Russia were having over "protecting" Eastern Christians, and the active stoking of nationalist sentiment in the Balkans.

 

[Patter Song]

I'm getting kind of tired of Russia and Austria being friends with the ottomans. It makes no sense considering the previous several centuries of russian and austrian policy towards the ottomans. Also Russia should be able to trigger a war with a special liberation casus belli for one of those minor slavic nations in the balkans just so we can have some kind of crimean war. I realize there are a lot of "people"* who believe this game shouldn't be a history simulator, but it makes no sense for the austrians and russians to become best friends with the ottomans in just a decade or less and ultimately the lack of any historical direction often produces idiotic results like France annexing all of northern Spain or Britain completely ignoring the colonialization of Africa to go do something somewhere else.

*absolute morons

The Ottomans and the Russians were buddy buddy in 1836, though...??? The Russians were actively propping up the Porte against Muhammad Ali Pasha's Egypt and actually participated in the intervention with the British to kick the Egyptians out of Syria and restore it to the Turks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian–Ottoman_War_(1839–41)

EDIT: I agree that V2 should be a historical game, and if the game were starting in the 1850s when the Russians and Turks were at each others' throats, I'd totally agree with you, but it's absurd to ignore the historical setup of 1836 that the Turks and Russians were very close at game start. If you want the Russians and Turks to hate each other, play the 1861 scenario.

 

[1alexey]

I realize there are a lot of "people"* who believe this game shouldn't be a history simulator,
*absolute morons

Ah, insulting everyone that disagreees with your view.

Priceless.

 

[Fryslan0109]

Ah, insulting everyone that disagreees with your view.

Priceless.

Shhh... it's part of his cunning strategy to win their support ^_^

 

[Wizzington]

There is a bug where the AI wrongly evaluates who to back in a crisis which results in Russia backing the OE a lot. Will be fixed in 3.02.

Mind you, this doesn't mean they will *never* back the OE, but it isn't inherently in their interest to do so, especially not against allied or sphered minors.

 

[grommile]

Funny thing is I normally see the Russians invading the Ottomans for Kars region pretty much every game.

Curiously, I haven't seen this happen since I installed HoD.

 

[Jorlaan]

There is a bug where the AI wrongly evaluates who to back in a crisis which results in Russia backing the OE a lot. Will be fixed in 3.02.

Mind you, this doesn't mean they will *never* back the OE, but it isn't inherently in their interest to do so, especially not against allied or sphered minors.

This makes me happy. Hoping the stupid colonial releases will be fixed too. My only real problems with what has been an otherwise amazing expantion.

 

[DrLulz]

There is a bug where the AI wrongly evaluates who to back in a crisis which results in Russia backing the OE a lot. Will be fixed in 3.02.

Mind you, this doesn't mean they will *never* back the OE, but it isn't inherently in their interest to do so, especially not against allied or sphered minors.

Do you have an ETA on the patch? If you don't mind me asking.

 

[Grubnessul]

Do you have an ETA on the patch? If you don't mind me asking.

Sooner than later. Later than ever. Ever than now.

 

[DrLulz]

Sooner than later. Later than ever. Ever than now.

I'll take that to be a particularly poetic way of saying "no".

 

[Draky]

It makes no sense

Spoiler

You made this guy laugh.

 

[Wizzington]

Do you have an ETA on the patch? If you don't mind me asking.

Sometime between the next minute and 2014.

(podcat gives some info on it here)

 

[delra]

Sometime between the next minute and 2014.

F5. F5. F5. F5. F5. F5. F5. F5. F5. F5. F5. ... 2014 ... F5. F5. F5. Finally, it's here!

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[n000b]

F5. F5. F5. F5. F5. F5. F5. F5. F5. F5. F5. ... 2014 ... F5. F5. F5. Finally, it's here!

)

It is?! Where?