The NI Suggestion Compilation Thread

[Trin Tragula]

Also worth noting, both for @DDRJake and other fellows that in this

Many of the NIs of that thread have already added though (but not all suggestions where added and some where baked together with other things). The original thread wasn't in suggestions which is why there's no dev post in there.

 

[Trin Tragula]

A general note on idea flavor:

It's often good idea to try to focus on things that actually happened in the era covered by EU4. For the first and perhaps second NI it's fine to go back in time but if possible the rest should look forward and not backwards. NIs are about the evolution of your state and not just a national ethos.
Of course with some more obscure tags there's not a lot to go on so it can vary on a case by case basis still good to keep in mind though.

I'll also link to this old note on why it might be some things are seemingly overlooked:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...humbrian-national-ideas.841486/#post-19019591

Edit: and just to clarify this is not pointed at any particular submission, just a general reflection reading the old thread again.

 

[Trin Tragula]

Also don't worry too much about the values. We adjust those as we think needed anyway
Might be a good idea if you're trying to make a set with an especially powerful bonus to comment on it and why it's there though.

 

[Trin Tragula]

-Bengal
If they become non-Bengali, they lose Bengali NIs and get generic NIs (not that this will ever happen, but shouldn't this one work with the tag instead of culture?)

-Carnatic, Jaffna, Madurai, Keladi, Kochin, Malabar, Mysore, Venad
If they change to non-Muslim/non-Hindu, they lose South Indian NIs and get generic NIs.

I'm in agreement in general (though there are things comming as India is perhaps my favourite place in the world in this era) but I got to say that the above is more or less true for any "group" ideas in the game. If Bengal no longer is of Bengali culture should they really get Bengali ideas?
Also not sure if South Indians revolting with a non-muslim, non-hindu religion is that common (but I'll extend the trigger for them to include buddhists as well).

 

[Trin Tragula]

I would say whether there be an iota of chance to form on its own, every tag should get its own Ideas. So called NI is a lazy work in my opinion.

When the game launched the vast majority of the hundreds of tags in the game had generic NIs. We have continued to work to get that number down and by now only 14 or so worldwide lack them in 1444 (can't recall the exact number). More than that have group ideas and some there definately need their own sets too.
The ambition is certainly that no country should use the generic set in the end but it's going to take even more time getting there.

 

[Trin Tragula]

And if you say there are upcoming changes then I guess I'll wait until 1.16 is released, that's good to know.

No not in 1.16, sorry I'm on parental leave until april so apart from the African stuff I've had little to do with 1.16.
I will be implementing some ideas from here and making some new ones in the future though. But I have to avoid promising when that will be exactly

If I may ask, what got you so interested in Indian history?

I started writing a long reply to this but realized I'm risking derailing the thread. Let's try to keep this thread on topic as it's very useful that way
If I'd start talking about this I'd never stop

 

[Trin Tragula]

Well, Mare Nostrum will come out in April 5, so when you get back you will have one day to implement ideas before it goes out. Good Luck .

Contrary to popular belief stuff is not actually added to patches up until the last day unless really necessary Also I actually won't be back until the 5th

 

[Trin Tragula]

...Wow, now that's a really long parental leave, didn't expect that. Sweden pls

Swedish state parent leave insurance is awesome IMO.

 

[Trin Tragula]

As a side note: does Paradox normally consider the proposed ideas? Or is it strictly the text they want, and then will add their own ideas as they see fit? I can understand why we should include them with out posts, but if our proposals ever do get take, we should probably expect at least the stats to change correct?

Consider: Yes
We do change things though, from the numbers to the choice of modifiers to things in the text. At times when there are multiple suggestions (or when we have started sets of our own) NI sets have also been combined.
Don't let that deter you however. A more fitting suggestion is a lot more likely to make it through as it is and sets have been adopted with very few or no changes

Also, as stated before, just because something isn't included it does not mean it's considered "bad", it might just be we want to check up on a few things ourselves or we might just have other plans for the tag already.

 

[Trin Tragula]

Just a heads up: Next patch shall be a pure bug-fixing patch so I won't be adding any NIs from here to that either. I will still keep on monitoring this thread and the suggestions forum though. You won't be forgotten

 

[Trin Tragula]

See my last post from a week or so ago. It won't be until the patch after the upcoming one

 

[Trin Tragula]

There are definitely some there that people might recognize

The game is also far from finished and script time for each expansion or patch is limited by a number of things. In case any of you are dissapointed in a particular set being passed over that does not mean it won't be added in the future. These suggestion threads are very useful and I still reference even the last compilation thread when adding new stuff.

 

[Trin Tragula]

I would be much obliged if someone could make an index of sets in this thread

 

[Trin Tragula]

Strictly speaking only sets for countries that don't have any are needed by me but it might be easier to list them all? It's up to you

 

[Trin Tragula]

Thanks! Great work

 

[Trin Tragula]

There's a console command that prints to game.log what countries use generic ideas "ideadump".

 

[neondt]

Added.

Also, for future reference for everyone using this thread: @Trin Tragula has moved on to work on Imperator, so the person you want to tag if you do want to get a dev would be @neondt

That's me. Hi

I like this list. It is useful.