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Well, it's not too far away until 1.33 is released. Soon after we should know and get DDs about the next immersion pack and 1.34 patch. So, what do you think it will be about and when do you expect it to be released?

Personally, I think it will get released in late May and either be about Scandinavia and Baltic or the Middle East. The devs pretty often mention and agree that something in Europe or the ME should be reworked/improved, while I haven't seen such things about South America, so that's left for later.
This is how I guessed that 1.33 will focus on East Asia - they mentioned that they want to rework Confucianism. I think we should pay attention, when they reply with such comments, they can sometimes be hints.
 
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I hope this pack will concern the middle east, and I propose to list here all the nations that deserve better treatment:

- Ottomans : new mission tree (less silly than always more claims) + new disasters
- Mamluk : mission tree aimed at restoring the Caliphate and achieving historically unfulfilled ambitions of Caliphate (conquering all of France, for example)
- Rûm : specific mission tree (and not simply repeating that of the Ottomans)
- Trebizond : mission tree + events in order to restore Byzantium or usurp the Palaiologos if Byzantium survived
- Armenian Minor : mission tree to restore Greater Armenia
- Uzbeks : specific mission tree and events about the creation of the Bukhara Khanate, which historically gave a special place to science and culture
- Mazanderan, Shirvan, Gilan, Biapas, Shirvan : mission tree aimed at the restoration of Persia
- Ardabil : same thing, but with a bigger tree and specific events reflecting their IRL ascent
- Persia: mission tree to restore one of the great empires of old times
- Ormuz : mission tree + events centered on trade and relations with the Portuguese, as well as the Indian powers (specific gameplay to play tall)
- Arab Minors : mission tree to unify Arabia
- Arabia : mission tree aimed at restoring the Caliphate (partially or totally repeating that of the Mamluks)
- Qara Qoyunlu, Aq Qoyunlu and Baluchistan: to be discussed
 
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Well, we already know quite a bit about what's most likely about to come based on past statements.

Free patch
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  • ... or the Middle East
Northern Europe is imho more barren when it comes to flavour, whereas the Middle East at least had a proper major expansion and only lacks missions. So I think Scandinavia and Baltics will be the main focus.
 
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I hope the content for the Baltic isn't as obvious as expected, a lazy approach is to focus only on Scandinavia when it's possible to consider the following things :

- Secularization of the Livonian Order in the Duchy of Courland (former colonial power, yes)
- different path for the Teutonic Order, alternative to Prussian secularization (possibility of remaining Catholic and conversion of the Orthodox provinces ? Via a special link with the papacy ?). But difficult to link it to historical plausibility via unfulfilled ambitions IRL.
- overhaul of Lübeck and in particular the mechanisms of the factions
- Gotland as an alternative commercial power to Lübeck (reformation of the Hansa ?)
- Pomeranian mission tree aiming at the establishment of a sort of Baltic confederation
- content to be determined for the county of Holstein and Finland
- possibility of resurgence and spread of ancient Norse beliefs via a nation yet to be determined
 
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I hope this pack will concern the middle east, and I propose to list here all the nations that deserve better treatment:

- Ottomans : new mission tree (less silly than always more claims) + new disasters
- Mamluk : mission tree aimed at restoring the Caliphate and achieving historically unfulfilled ambitions of Caliphate (conquering all of France, for example)
- Rûm : specific mission tree (and not simply repeating that of the Ottomans)
- Trebizond : mission tree + events in order to restore Byzantium or usurp the Palaiologos if Byzantium survived
- Armenian Minor : mission tree to restore Greater Armenia
- Uzbeks : specific mission tree and events about the creation of the Bukhara Khanate, which historically gave a special place to science and culture
- Mazanderan, Shirvan, Gilan, Biapas, Shirvan : mission tree aimed at the restoration of Persia
- Ardabil : same thing, but with a bigger tree and specific events reflecting their IRL ascent
- Persia: mission tree to restore one of the great empires of old times
- Ormuz : mission tree + events centered on trade and relations with the Portuguese, as well as the Indian powers (specific gameplay to play tall)
- Arab Minors : mission tree to unify Arabia
- Arabia : mission tree aimed at restoring the Caliphate (partially or totally repeating that of the Mamluks)
- Qara Qoyunlu, Aq Qoyunlu and Baluchistan: to be discussed
I agree on most of the points, but I think Mamluk tree should be more interesting than restoring the Caliphate and conquering Occitania, it should be left for Andalusia and Arabia. I don't think the Mamluks were that much interested in actual expansion. I think their mission tree should focus on rivaling and outgrowing the Ottomans in strength, controlling the holy cities and on trade, especially on the latter by having in depth missions about denying the trade to Venice and Portugal (or any other colonial nation in that matter).

I agree about Rûm, they should have a mission tree focusing on restoring the borders of Seljuk Empire.

About Persia, you know what would be cool? If we got 3 different tags for it, or at least cosmetic names: Persia, Safavid Empire and Ērān for Zoroastrians. It would make it more replayable and would feel at least a bit different, when formed by different kind of powers.

Don't forget Oman, as well. They would probably share their mission tree with Ormuz, or at least have it very similar to it.

Also, devs stated that Nubia would be included in the ME update, as well. So the Nubian states will surely get a mission tree.

I hope the content for the Baltic isn't as obvious as expected, a lazy approach is to focus only on Scandinavia when it's possible to consider the following things :

- Secularization of the Livonian Order in the Duchy of Courland (former colonial power, yes)
- different path for the Teutonic Order, alternative to Prussian secularization (possibility of remaining Catholic and conversion of the Orthodox provinces ? Via a special link with the papacy ?). But difficult to link it to historical plausibility via unfulfilled ambitions IRL.
- overhaul of Lübeck and in particular the mechanisms of the factions
- Gotland as an alternative commercial power to Lübeck (reformation of the Hansa ?)
- Pomeranian mission tree aiming at the establishment of a sort of Baltic confederation
- content to be determined for the county of Holstein and Finland
- possibility of resurgence and spread of ancient Norse beliefs via a nation yet to be determined
Poland, Lithuania and Russia would also need some flavour touches, as well. Maybe even Germany.

About the Norse beliefs, I think the best candidate would be Norway and Iceland. The same could be done with the Baltic Romuva, Samogitia province could still follow it. Most of the local people still followed their ancient faith. It could be a decision for the player to remain Christian or become Romuva, the AI would always choose to remain Christian, of course, so no one could complain about ahistorical pagan Lithuania in 1444.
I also think they should add an Assyrian OPM in the ME with Nestorian religion. Imagine restoring the Assyrian Empire... That would be amazing.
 
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I'm somewhat devided between ME or Scandinavia. Both regions are fun. Although i would also like South America. And if they would like to revisit Far East Asia giving more unique missions to Qing would be great. Also perhaps expand Russian missions to encourage them to conquer Caucasus and Central Asia.
 
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I agree on most of the points, but I think Mamluk tree should be more interesting than restoring the Caliphate and conquering Occitania, it should be left for Andalusia and Arabia. I don't think the Mamluks were that much interested in actual expansion. I think their mission tree should focus on rivaling and outgrowing the Ottomans in strength, controlling the holy cities and on trade, especially on the latter by having in depth missions about denying the trade to Venice and Portugal (or any other colonial nation in that matter).

I agree about Rûm, they should have a mission tree focusing on restoring the borders of Seljuk Empire.

About Persia, you know what would be cool? If we got 3 different tags for it, or at least cosmetic names: Persia, Safavid Empire and Ērān for Zoroastrians. It would make it more replayable and would feel at least a bit different, when formed by different kind of powers.

Don't forget Oman, as well. They would probably share their mission tree with Ormuz, or at least have it very similar to it.

Also, devs stated that Nubia would be included in the ME update, as well. So the Nubian states will surely get a mission tree.


Poland, Lithuania and Russia would also need some flavour touches, as well. Maybe even Germany.

About the Norse beliefs, I think the best candidate would be Norway and Iceland. The same could be done with the Baltic Romuva, Samogitia province could still follow it. Most of the local people still followed their ancient faith. It could be a decision for the player to remain Christian or become Romuva, the AI would always choose to remain Christian, of course, so no one could complain about ahistorical pagan Lithuania in 1444.
I also think they should add an Assyrian OPM in the ME with Nestorian religion. Imagine restoring the Assyrian Empire... That would be amazing.
Oman already has a mission tree allowing the fulfillment of its historical destiny (= mastery of East African trade and possession of certain local lands). But it is very rudimentary in comparison with recent trees like those of Kilwa.

I also omit Israel from the list, which is currently a completely uninteresting tag. But I do not see what missions would be possible, and even less events because the tag is totally uchronic.

And indeed, the Polish and Lithuanian mission trees have aged rather badly.
 

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Oman already has a mission tree allowing the fulfillment of its historical destiny (= mastery of East African trade and possession of certain local lands). But it is very rudimentary in comparison with recent trees like those of Kilwa.

I also omit Israel from the list, which is currently a completely uninteresting tag. But I do not see what missions would be possible, and even less events because the tag is totally uchronic.

And indeed, the Polish and Lithuanian mission trees have aged rather badly.
Well, the Omani mission tree looks very poor, it's like 6 proper missions and the rest are the generic ones. It should surely be expanded.

I think Israel should have a small tree with upgrading the monument in Jerusalem and reclaiming Solomon's lands from Nile to Euphrates. That's at least from top of my head.


Another thing I really hope for is new monuments, I don't expect 54 new ones, but regional based ones, for example, some around the Baltic like something for Sweden, Denmark, Lubeck, Riga and Lithuania would be nice additions. In the ME they could add Harar, the Nubian pyramids, something for Yemen, Oman and Georgia.
 
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I think it will be in the Baltic just because that seems to be where the community wants it. Every content creator I've seen ask this question since Leviathan has had this region win their respective poll and iirc, Paradox also had a poll in which the Baltic won by a large margin, though I have not been able to find the link to said post so I may be misremembering. If we get a Baltic expansion, I would expect to see some of the following:

- An event for the reintroduction of Norse paganism. My minimal research into the religion suggests that it is unlikely for a tile to linger with this faith like Zoroastrianism and Judaism do, but this could be an event for Scandinavia or any of its derivative cultures should a king become dissatisfied with the Pope or Christianity more broadly. Given that Norse is a fully-developed religion in EU4 that can't be found outside of custom nations and random new world, it seems like a waste not to use it.
- Revamped mission trees for Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and perhaps Iceland. They are pretty minimalist at the moment.
- New mission trees for the Teutonic Order, Livonian Order/Kurland, Pomerania, and perhaps Finland. Currently none of the aforementioned countries have a mission tree or really any flavor events at all (other than the Prussian Confederation). Yes, the Teutonic Order can form Prussia, but I would expect a flavor pack for the region to make the Order itself more viable, especially considering the Baltic Crusader achievement exists.
- Scandinavian ideas and maybe missions, too. Scandinavia is currently a pointless formable with an ugly color, so players seldom ever form it. Given that it comes around at admin tech 20, I could see it become a new super formable like Germany or the HRE became after Emperor.
- New/Alternative formables like the North Sea Empire, Vinland, etc.
 
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Since I really like desperate OPMs that end up building solid kingdoms, even empires, I have a bold proposal : a mission tree and events for Krakow. But I'm not sure which direction it should take : founding a kind of dissident Poland to usurp power from Warsaw ? Or insist on the links with the Hansa, of which Krakow was once a part ? The particular links with the Germans and therefore the HRE of which Krakow could be the bridgehead with a view to conquering Poland ?

As for Riga, I don't really know what to suggest except a duplicate with Livonia to form Kurland.

Also, it might be good for Paradox to finally take a look at Zaporozhe.
 
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I think the immersion pack will be scandinavia + central europe, and they will do the middle east in a free update (sort of like the Manchu update), since there is already an immersion pack for them. Then they will also do the South America as a second immersion pack.
 
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Scandi and Baltics are in dire need of a DLC the size and scope of Origins.

Origins was awesome, probably one of the best DLC released for this game in a looong time, so many unique playstyles and missions. Looking forward to seeing what they do with Scandi.
 
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I think the immersion pack will be scandinavia + central europe, and they will do the middle east in a free update (sort of like the Manchu update), since there is already an immersion pack for them. Then they will also do the South America as a second immersion pack.
I'm pretty sure that the ME will also be an immersion pack, it's way too much content for a free patch. Caucasus and Muslim hordes, sure, that can be a focus of a immersion pack.
Next flavour pack is in the Baltic as that's what everyone is doing on YouTube atm
Could you explain it a bit more?
 

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Personally i hope for a baltic one (including lübeck and a faction system overhaul). However if they go for middle east i hope they give hisn kayfa a nice treatment.
 
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I'm pretty sure that the ME will also be an immersion pack, it's way too much content for a free patch. Caucasus and Muslim hordes, sure, that can be a focus of a immersion pack.

Could you explain it a bit more?
I think they said they were gonna update 3 more regions but only release 2 more immersion packs, so one of them must be covered in a free update. If not the Middle East, maybe South America, adding it to leviathan would fit its theme.
 

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I think they said they were gonna update 3 more regions but only release 2 more immersion packs, so one of them must be covered in a free update. If not the Middle East, maybe South America, adding it to leviathan would fit its theme.
I think it'll probably be 2 more immersions and one expansion.
 

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Argh, we risk not having a necessary Indian update, the Dharma DLC suggests that the region is correctly treated, and yet there are still many problems (the Mughals tag too stable, lack of events, nothing around the Marathas/Nagpur, Punjab, and sometimes aberrant regional mission trees, not to mention the timorous European colonizers - Portugal takes Goa from time to time, but that's it).
 
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