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moredhel or bunkie, one of you is doing the stats, right? ;) im too tired and have to go to bed. good night!
 

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Huge wars this session. France-Austria vs Proto-Spain. Defeat for France who lost a few lands. Austria WPed out cos of OE invasion.
I fought the best i could but Austrian armies were no match for OE lvl 18 CRT advantage cos of a wrong strategial decision not going for it when OE only had lvl 11 and austria lvl 16. The OE fought with Small 10-20k only infantri armies that killed every existing Austrian armys what were 2 or 3 times bigger and contained 70% cavary. The only thing that killed ottoman armies were attrition. Nothing else. 4 provs lost. OE DoW soon to be expected again and chanse to win is very small. Awarage battle statistic: 1 win for 9 loss.
 

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If you are going to use armies with 70% cavalry when lacking a CRT and in lands austria owns (which is full of mountains), then you wont be winning many battles.
 

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Huge wars this session. France-Austria vs Proto-Spain. Defeat for France who lost a few lands. Austria WPed out cos of OE invasion.
I fought the best i could but Austrian armies were no match for OE lvl 18 CRT advantage cos of a wrong strategial decision not going for it when OE only had lvl 11 and austria lvl 16. The OE fought with Small 10-20k only infantri armies that killed every existing Austrian armys what were 2 or 3 times bigger and contained 70% cavary. The only thing that killed ottoman armies were attrition. Nothing else. 4 provs lost. OE DoW soon to be expected again and chanse to win is very small. Awarage battle statistic: 1 win for 9 loss.

preemptive dows on a nation, which gets leaders as eugene, wallenstein, mercy or karl while the oe gets nothing except randoms. :)
 

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I am curious... Did Spain create Holland via events?
 

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no, it released it mid war with france, cutting some 30 income, really lame.
 

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I want to give props to Ear for fighting the latter part of his war with Austria while being out of sync. Besides being very cool, it also saved us at least one rehost!
 

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no, it released it mid war with france, cutting some 30 income, really lame.

Erm. Its impossible to 'release' a nation without owning the provinces. When I saw the event there was no description whatsoever about the effects and I didn't wanted to pause for half an hour as some people do, so I chose 'Yes', since 'No' might have given me high RR and who knows what else, while I though that 'Yes' should be harmless, since I don't have any provinces in Netherlands. Of course, if the event has occurred at peace time I'd probably give it more thought, but should I remind you who started the war?
 

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I asked john if he wanted a nap, he even told me a new conflict with france was inevitable. I decided to risk it with crt advantage instead of waiting to get owned.
 
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Funny thing Moredhel, the event was created ONLY with the purpose of saving the users the mess of editing the save file in the middle of the session and to allow holand to be played during a session instead of the typical waiting for "session end" as usual in order to prevent holand from loosing precious years of gameplay. The event was NOT created to mess with your neighbours or with people that hold the netherlands.

The event chains give holand spanish and portuguese maps on purpose, along with A LOT of goodies for holand. It also gives CBs to everyone else against Holand.

But anyway i find it a bit lame to use an event that is suposed to create a new nation that suposedly would be played by a human (when you know it wont be the case) to inflict damage upon an enemy...

name = "The formation of the Netherlands"
desc = "Is this game suposed to have someone playing as Holland in the nearby future?"

As answer you got a Yes and a No, but obviously you had to choose "Yes" when there were countless ghosts accordingly to the stats.
 

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Another curiosity from my part... which i would LOVE if anyone could answer it...

What hapened in the east? I noticed that the mughal AI (hopefully) became big, but what about Bukhara? How did they get that huge?
 

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Another curiosity from my part... which i would LOVE if anyone could answer it...

What hapened in the east? I noticed that the mughal AI (hopefully) became big, but what about Bukhara? How did they get that huge?

bukhara diploannexed baluchistan last session and got maybe other provinces/nations towards sibiria. but it was either before my time as oe or i just didnt see it. :)
 

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I'll working late today so I'll definitely miss session start.

I'm reading that NL was released by...Spain?

wicked event chain, all our provinces went to Spain and Portugal and later they were released by spain (for maps I guess) and took Porto and Spanish maps. However the vassalisation never ended which to me is a mystery :p

I beleive Spain had quite a bonus from this but I cant be sure. However France evaded some high RR events by this happening, but all in all this was only beneficial to Iberians and bad for us others :)
 

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That event chain is nonsensical given that Spain did not originally hold any of the provinces. If anything they should have triggered to whoever held Holland, not Spain. That they were triggered is more amazing and disgustingly opportunistic if there was a choice. France lost a COT, MP and income in the middle of a war. It surprises me that the game was not stopped at that very instant and the effects of that event reversed.

I know this is can be considered a mod error but there is only so much I can tolerate if every error directly hurts my nation. In the first war, Spain fought with two Albas (killing one after I noticed). In the second it releases NL.
 
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That event chain is nonsensical given that Spain did not originally hold any of the provinces. If anything they should have triggered to whoever held Holland, not Spain. That they were triggered is more amazing and disgustingly opportunistic if there was a choice. France lost a COT, MP and income in the middle of a war. It surprises me that the game was not stopped at that very instant and the effects of that event reversed.

I know this is can be considered a mod error but there is only so much I can tolerate if every error directly hurts my nation. In the first war, Spain fought with two Albas (killing one after I noticed). In the second it releases NL.

I agree that many events and settings in this mod should be fixed and its quite possible that there are many bugs that benefit other nations, but no one really notice them. Regarding your grudges - you weren't fighting two Albas - one of them simply sat on the border until I had the time to deal with him, so this is not exactly correct. NL was released because of the buggy (or so it seemed) event where both possible choices listed no effects (they were simply empty) and it had relatively little effect on France for the 10 years or so when it was in effect and even had some positive effects, such as reduced RR. In any case, I'm sure that John will compensate France and Brandenburg for the lost income and anything else that you'd like to be compensated for. For all I care you can get back all the provinces lost in wars that France didn't started (EDIT: meaning wars where it was defending from the start) and purchase back everything that it lost in offensive wars, for the cost of lost troops only.
 
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