The New SMEP for HoI2

[Afalsejedi]

If there is no war in Europe by Jan 1940, is there a backup event that would lead to war?

There isn't one, but this is an idea I've also thought about before. Don't worry, we'll think of something.

If its the Allies that clearly win in Europe (they take Berlin while the Soviets are stuck at the Volga), should there be an Allies Favorable peace?

This has been tried before, but I'm not sure if it's possible without being incredibly complex. I'll let Atruejedi elaborate on it more, he has more knowledge about it than I do.

Shouldn't Finland have a surrender event to the Soviets if Helenski falls in the Continuation war?

I think there already is one in place if this happens. However, I think there's a "bug" in that Finland ends up becoming a Stalinist state and Soviet puppet.

I like the Stavka orders from the Barbarossa scenario, can they be included in the next SMEP?

I don't know them off the top of my head, but we'll take a look later and see what we can do. However, last time we tried to add scenario events into the Spanish Civil War, Nationalist Spain ended up never annexing Republican Spain.

Should there also be a "Germany Humiliated Event" if it is unable to quickly defeat Poland or Czechloslokia? Those nations really should not survive longer than two months from the onset of war.

This doesn't sound like a bad idea. I don't think the war itself would end, but perhaps something like a major dissent hit can happen to Germany.

One more thing, what if the Soviets want to make a deal with the Allies instead of the Axis in 1939? That really could have happened and it would be Germany, not Poland, partitioned.

I don't know if anything like this will happen, Soviets can already choose not to deal with the Germans and will DOW Germany afterwards if Poland is invaded.

Just some fun ideas. I like the SMEP, It really seems like a great way to enhance the game. I hope that there are more ways to expand the options of the game.

I'm glad you like it.

 

[Jusas]

Should there also be a "Germany Humiliated Event" if it is unable to quickly defeat Poland or Czechloslokia? Those nations really should not survive longer than two months from the onset of war.

True, I've actually seen this happen Poland held on to Warsaw for months, it had a stack of 28 divisions there and despite the serious German efforts they couldn't break through. Was fun to watch Germany was indeed humiliated although in the end they got through.

A little dissent would be appropriate.

 

[Ayeshteni]

Kepp up the good work.

One point (I dont know if its due to SMEP or vanilla - but as I was playing SMEP I'll report it here)

I am playing USA. Republic Spain wins the Spanish Civil War (I have never seen Nats win ever in vanilla or SMEP) and an event kicks in that makes Republic Spain a Left-Wing Radical. Fair enough.

I am massing loooooooads of money as the USA, so I decide to go on a little regime influence around the world influencing various nations including Rep. Spain. Around 1940 I find my Coup attempts percentage at 24-25 for various countries.

So, I sucessfully coup Republican Spain from LWR to Social Liberial (I think - it was Social something and as USA was SL at the time I suspect it to be SL).

a few days later tops then an event kicks in saying the Nats have been sucessfull. Republican Spain had turned to Nationalist Spain

Ayeshteni

 

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Republic Spain wins the Spanish Civil War (I have never seen Nats win ever in vanilla or SMEP)

Really ? I did not try SMEP yet (but I surely intend to sooner or later), and I'm only playing my 4th game with vanilla (heavily graphically modded though ), and each time, Nationalists won ... That's strange ...

Regards.

 

[GeneralHannibal]

could you make an event to make the arab federation like the one to make scandanavia ie. Egypt, Syria, Lebonan, Palistine, Jordon, Iraq, Saudia, Yemon, Omam control the Arab fed. prerequesites. It could be very similer to the scandanavia event i think.

 

[Gen.Schuermann]

could you make an event to make the arab federation like the one to make scandanavia ie. Egypt, Syria, Lebonan, Palistine, Jordon, Iraq, Saudia, Yemon, Omam control the Arab fed. prerequesites. It could be very similer to the scandanavia event i think.

Sounds cool! A biiiiiiiiiiiiig kaliphate

 

[unmerged(38833)]

Might these be something to include in SMEP, assuming I get them off the ground:

The Manhattan Project; for the AI
Lack of historic minister change

 

[him_15]

HI, i have tried to play HOI2 together with SMEP for a couple of games. And this project is outstanding indeed. Now i would like to ask a few questions

1. Why would Hungary lose claim on Slovak at the start of game without any reason at all? it makes me playing Hungary less interesting.

2. Playing with Rumania, i declared war on Hungary just after Anschluss. (To avoid Austria declaring on me), and i did breakthought their defence and capture Budapest. And suddenly a hungary surrender event came out and i was forced to ally with Germany and Hungary without asking me to accept or not to. I in fact wanna occupt all of their land!!! and a week later. Hungary left the allied with us.... Is it the event used for the Rumania-Hungary War after the USSR is beaten?

3. Shouldn't there be a event for the UK to release Ethiopia once they have taken control from Italy? I know they did it historially. But not sure when exactly was it.

4. Is the Germany surrender event only designed under the condition of USSR victory? when i was playing with USA, and performed a D-day and captured almost the whole Europe while the Russian were stuck in Ukraine and Belarus. when the event triggerd out, all of my East-Europe lands were give to the Soviet and were turned to their puppets( Poland, Czeth, the Balkans countries)...shouldn't there be antoher alternative German surrender event for the Allied, for example, the power whom capture any state capital city have control on the released country?

Sorry, my english isn't good enough, hope you understand what i am talking about.

 

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I imagine that seaprate surrender events (say, based on the capitals controlled) would be good.
So say, the US controls Prague, Czechoslovakia is released as a US puppet rather than a Soviet one.

 

[him_15]

I imagine that seaprate surrender events (say, based on the capitals controlled) would be good.
So say, the US controls Prague, Czechoslovakia is released as a US puppet rather than a Soviet one.

Exactly, or those countries would be given independence if they are released by the allied.

 

[Atruejedi]

True, I've actually seen this happen Poland held on to Warsaw for months, it had a stack of 28 divisions there and despite the serious German efforts they couldn't break through. Was fun to watch Germany was indeed humiliated although in the end they got through.

A little dissent would be appropriate.

Added an event like this for the next version.

could you make an event to make the arab federation like the one to make scandanavia ie. Egypt, Syria, Lebonan, Palistine, Jordon, Iraq, Saudia, Yemon, Omam control the Arab fed. prerequesites. It could be very similer to the scandanavia event i think.

No. Too much work, too little benefit. Play as Denmark and create Scandinavia for the same effect...

Might these be something to include in SMEP, assuming I get them off the ground:

The Manhattan Project; for the AI
Lack of historic minister change

Thanks for the heads-up! Infact, we recently added a few historic minister change events for Germany only (Donitz, Himmler, Speer, Keitel, Jodl, Schellenberg, off the top of my head).

HI, i have tried to play HOI2 together with SMEP for a couple of games. And this project is outstanding indeed. Now i would like to ask a few questions

1. Why would Hungary lose claim on Slovak at the start of game without any reason at all? it makes me playing Hungary less interesting.

2. Playing with Rumania, i declared war on Hungary just after Anschluss. (To avoid Austria declaring on me), and i did breakthought their defence and capture Budapest. And suddenly a hungary surrender event came out and i was forced to ally with Germany and Hungary without asking me to accept or not to. I in fact wanna occupt all of their land!!! and a week later. Hungary left the allied with us.... Is it the event used for the Rumania-Hungary War after the USSR is beaten?

3. Shouldn't there be a event for the UK to release Ethiopia once they have taken control from Italy? I know they did it historially. But not sure when exactly was it.

4. Is the Germany surrender event only designed under the condition of USSR victory? when i was playing with USA, and performed a D-day and captured almost the whole Europe while the Russian were stuck in Ukraine and Belarus. when the event triggerd out, all of my East-Europe lands were give to the Soviet and were turned to their puppets( Poland, Czeth, the Balkans countries)...shouldn't there be antoher alternative German surrender event for the Allied, for example, the power whom capture any state capital city have control on the released country?

Sorry, my english isn't good enough, hope you understand what i am talking about.

1. You'll get that claim back. This is to prevent the AI from seizing the land from Czechoslovakia EVERY SINGLE GAME!

2. Yes, that event is from the war after Bitter Peace. I'll try to make it depend on Bitter Peace for the next version, sorry

3. That happens later.

4. Yes. German surrender depends on war with the USSR, otherwise there is a different surrender event (France and Poland beating Germany).

I imagine that seaprate surrender events (say, based on the capitals controlled) would be good.
So say, the US controls Prague, Czechoslovakia is released as a US puppet rather than a Soviet one.

Maybe some day. This is way too much work for now. I am concentrating on other things. Maybe for 5.0. Maybe.

 

[Atruejedi]

Russian Civil War Update

Germany sends aid to Russia, including 20,000 supplies, 5000 oil, and Barbarossa-era equipment, including tactical bombers, close air support planes, and multi-role fighters. For this Germany loses no manpower. They also send an expeditionary force, totally 37 manpower, which they lose. They gain two free blueprints for Super Heavy Armor brigades and Self-Propelled Rocket Artillery, as these weapons will be used by the German expeditionary force in Russia, much like how Spain served as a testing ground for next-generation weapons.

Russia gets the aid, described above. They also get a level-3 airbase in their temporary capitol on the Russo-German border. Minus one dissent, set relations to 50 with Germany. They lose 6 manpower: planes are free, pilots are not. They also gain two random blueprints from Germany.

Could use help with the names for both the airplanes and the expeditionary force. Von Rommel was auto-assigned, good choice.​

 

[him_15]

Great!!When will it be ready? Can't wait for that!

 

[szmik]

I imagine that seaprate surrender events (say, based on the capitals controlled) would be good.
So say, the US controls Prague, Czechoslovakia is released as a US puppet rather than a Soviet one.

Maybe some day. This is way too much work for now. I am concentrating on other things. Maybe for 5.0. Maybe.

if you don't mind I could make it for you, I'd just need province id number map. It should be quite easy to copy original event and change it. However I don't know what ID event should have to avoid mess.
And we should discuss some other matters as well like shape of afterwar Poland

 

[Gen.Schuermann]

if you don't mind I could make it for you, I'd just need province id number map. It should be quite easy to copy original event and change it. However I don't know what ID event should have to avoid mess.
And we should discuss some other matters as well like shape of afterwar Poland Ooh-Weeeee! Same post count! Peeeace ^^

As for the map: ONLINE-MAP

For the rest: i think there is some file where the events which are changed are named and the IDs in general... just check the downloaded file, it has to be in there.

Germany beaten up by Poland: I believe the western border should be the Oder-Neiße-Linie (the border of today's Germany and Poland), add/take:
#302, #304, #308, #473, #482, #510 (#206, Memel, given back to Lithunia, if Germany got the claims for it)

Germany beaten up by the french: New border along the rhine, might look strange, add/take: Cologne, Aachen and Saarbrücken: #75. #66, #74

If Belgium is still alive (for example in Africa) and part of the allies, you might want to consider taking Aachen (#66) from Germany, and France only getting #74-75

The Danes, if destroyed before, might get Kiel, although that might be quite unfair...

The italians, if changed sides, might recieve Lech and Innsbruck (#373, #377), although i do not see this an option, as these areas are much more German than italian, the same is true for france and it's rhine line, although.

Just a few suggestions, though. For France getting their wanted territory, the should beat Germany by 1940, if not earlier. Poland of course, must survive in order to have claims. But yet another problem would result if the Sovs decide to f00k the Polish. Then you might want to "shift" poland westwards, to nowadays Poland... but if Poland was killed by the Germans, but then got beaten by the French, the old eastern province of the new Germany should stay, and Poland made a rump state. Germany might lose their Eastern Prussian provinces, although taken by the Russians in order to prevent the polish from getting sea access. The baltic states would have to "leave", though, in order to get those provinces.



Now remains the question of the political order. Should it be left in a state of confusion, maybe a civil war? seperation of Germany in smaller states? I believe things should be more calm at first, a civil war is truly interesting, but leave that for another version!
I rember my geography teacher talking about that Northrhine Westphalia (the state of Germany where i live) should have left the Federation of States, which is the Bundesrepublik now. I do not know if this was a true option, but you might devide Germany up into two seperate satellite states of both France and Poland, for example. take the original borders of the Federal Republic of Germany in OTL 1949 and the Germand Democratic Republic of the same time period - The western part a puppet of France, the eastern part a puppet of Poland... a powder keg, if you ask me

Hope this gets done

If this can be done, you can C.O.R.E. my ass!!!

 

[Atruejedi]

Another Russian Civil War Update

Russian claims. Although slightly random, this is generally how the civil war errupts.

The Soviet cabinet and sliders after Bitter Peace. Red ministers were installed via event, the rest were already in office. Suggestions made by Sarmatia. Stalin and Molotov were, er, "slept."

Russia's cabinet upon outbreak of the Civil War, courtesy of Sarmatia again. All but HOG and HOS are in the Soviet minister file and slept upon outbreak of the war.

...see image for explanation. This is post-Bitter Peace.​

 

[Atruejedi]

DOWNLOAD THE NEW SMEP 4.0
Released 6:23 PM EST on January 3, 2006

DOWNLOAD SEXXILEADERS 3.5
Released 6:23 PM EST on January 3, 2006​

Uploaded new builds of each, focusing on the above mentioned. Enjoy!

 

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Just a quick note, watch the german flags.

Otherwise looks great. 8)

 

[szmik]

For the rest: i think there is some file where the events which are changed are named and the IDs in general... just check the downloaded file, it has to be in there.

Germany beaten up by Poland: I believe the western border should be the Oder-Neiße-Linie (the border of today's Germany and Poland), add/take:
#302, #304, #308, #473, #482, #510 (#206, Memel, given back to Lithunia, if Germany got the claims for it)

agree

Germany beaten up by the french: New border along the rhine, might look strange, add/take: Cologne, Aachen and Saarbrücken: #75. #66, #74

If Belgium is still alive (for example in Africa) and part of the allies, you might want to consider taking Aachen (#66) from Germany, and France only getting #74-75

I'd rather leave Aachen for Germany

The Danes, if destroyed before, might get Kiel, although that might be quite unfair...

The italians, if changed sides, might recieve Lech and Innsbruck (#373, #377), although i do not see this an option, as these areas are much more German than italian, the same is true for france and it's rhine line, although.

I wouldn't give any province to Danemark, nor Italians, the latter were on the "bad" side and switched under pressure, besides this would be ahistorical

Just a few suggestions, though. For France getting their wanted territory, the should beat Germany by 1940, if not earlier. Poland of course, must survive in order to have claims. But yet another problem would result if the Sovs decide to f00k the Polish. Then you might want to "shift" poland westwards, to nowadays Poland... but if Poland was killed by the Germans, but then got beaten by the French, the old eastern province of the new Germany should stay, and Poland made a rump state. Germany might lose their Eastern Prussian provinces, although taken by the Russians in order to prevent the polish from getting sea access. The baltic states would have to "leave", though, in order to get those provinces.

I'd leave early France-Poland victory as it is.
Generally I was thinking of peace event when US Army reaches Berlin and Soviets are somewhere in Byelorussia (if not BP).
The plan is:
Teheran conference in 1943 where Allies could:
a) help Soviets (ai default) thus no changes to peace events - btw how likely is German AI beaten by Allied AI??
b) help Soviets reluctantly and defy them afterwar which would lead to peace events dependent more or less on army positions (much work with control check);
c) ignore Soviet demands which would result in Market Liberal UK/US puppets throughout the Europe, if US/UK Army first in Berlin.

If not controlled by Soviets (in 1945 + US Army in Berlin) Poland should get nowadays borders, reasons:
- West Polish Forces, remember Monte Cassino?
- well organized underground state.
I'd leave German cores however. I don't know what about game balance in this case.

Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Austria, Albania, Greece, low countries established/set to their pre-war borders. Don't know what about Yugoslavia, if occupied by Germany then pre-war borders, but what to do if they had joined the Axis?

Now remains the question of the political order. Should it be left in a state of confusion, maybe a civil war? seperation of Germany in smaller states? I believe things should be more calm at first, a civil war is truly interesting, but leave that for another version!
I rember my geography teacher talking about that Northrhine Westphalia (the state of Germany where i live) should have left the Federation of States, which is the Bundesrepublik now. I do not know if this was a true option, but you might devide Germany up into two seperate satellite states of both France and Poland, for example. take the original borders of the Federal Republic of Germany in OTL 1949 and the Germand Democratic Republic of the same time period - The western part a puppet of France, the eastern part a puppet of Poland... a powder keg, if you ask me

Hope this gets done

If this can be done, you can C.O.R.E. my ass!!!

I take your word :rofl:

I don't think German civil war was possible under US occupation

I'd like to give a player possibility to make Germany or split it in Bavaria, Westaphalia, Brandenburg and so on, but I don't know if there're free tags. Oh I could free some by making Arab Federation and use former Syria, Egypt etc tags, but I'm poor at graphics making. And I know nothing about politicians from German states.

And the question is: what atrujedi thinks about making it part of SMEP?

I better ask when work is done

 

[Gen.Schuermann]

agree



I'd rather leave Aachen for Germany


I wouldn't give any province to Danemark, nor Italians, the latter were on the "bad" side and switched under pressure, besides this would be ahistorical



I'd leave early France-Poland victory as it is.
Generally I was thinking of peace event when US Army reaches Berlin and Soviets are somewhere in Byelorussia (if not BP).
The plan is:
Teheran conference in 1943 where Allies could:
a) help Soviets (ai default) thus no changes to peace events - btw how likely is German AI beaten by Allied AI??
b) help Soviets reluctantly and defy them afterwar which would lead to peace events dependent more or less on army positions (much work with control check);
c) ignore Soviet demands which would result in Market Liberal UK/US puppets throughout the Europe, if US/UK Army first in Berlin.

If not controlled by Soviets (in 1945 + US Army in Berlin) Poland should get nowadays borders, reasons:
- West Polish Forces, remember Monte Cassino?
- well organized underground state.
I'd leave German cores however. I don't know what about game balance in this case.

Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Austria, Albania, Greece, low countries established/set to their pre-war borders. Don't know what about Yugoslavia, if occupied by Germany then pre-war borders, but what to do if they had joined the Axis?


I take your word :rofl:

I don't think German civil war was possible under US occupation

I'd like to give a player possibility to make Germany or split it in Bavaria, Westaphalia, Brandenburg and so on, but I don't know if there're free tags. Oh I could free some by making Arab Federation and use former Syria, Egypt etc tags, but I'm poor at graphics making. And I know nothing about politicians from German states.

And the question is: what atrujedi thinks about making it part of SMEP?

I better ask when work is done

Just do it

For the civil war i mean if they get beaten by the french and polish forces alone, meaning france's or poland's forces reach berlin, and the US is NOT at war.