The New Habsburgs

[t3tr4]

I am playing as Sweden and Rosenstrale was my starting dynasty. The 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 7th great powers have my dynasty. Now, here's the question: How in god's name am I supposed to get PUs over them?

The current plan is to form GB and conquer Muscovy. This will probably give me enough army size to take out France, then I snowball from there. Have you guys got any suggestions or things I should know before going for PUs? I'm very new to this game, so anything helps.

 

[Guibou]

To get the PU you have a few options :

1. Mission, if you form GB you will get the mission to PU France for exemple (dlc ?), these mission CB last 20years so be prepared before clicking it.
2. Waiting, if the king dies without an heir there's a chance that you either inherit or get yourself in a PU war, see Atwix guide for great info on this part
3. Claiming the throne, if a nation with your dynasty and a royal marriage have no heir or one with a low claim, you can click the claim throne and get the CB to PU them. You have to act quickly as you can lose the CB if the situation change.

The one with the more player agency is the third option but it also present more risk of losing a new PU compared to the second option. Compared to vassals, with PU you want to focus more on improve relation bonus instead of diplo reputation as liberty desire have little consequences, but you absolutly need to get your relation above 0.

If you are planning to get the PU's by war, always check your ruler's age before going for one. Seems quite obvious but easily forgetable. It would be a shame to battle France for 5 years and lose the PU a month later because your king is old. Have a good amount of ducats available to be able to gift and influence the new PU. Improve relation, have the estate with same religion +25 if available, give subsidies, have the advisor or diplo idea that imrpove relation. If you are the curia controler or the HRE leader use the appoint cardinal or bestow imperial grace for extra relation.

Do you have more precise questions ?

 

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Personal union - Europa Universalis 4 Wiki

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[Nostalgium]

If you are planning to get the PU's by war, always check your ruler's age before going for one. Seems quite obvious but easily forgetable. It would be a shame to battle France for 5 years and lose the PU a month later because your king is old.

I want to super mega emphasise this. I have lost SO MANY PUs to immediate ruler deaths after obtaining them. It's not even the length of war that's frustrating - it's paying the AE cost for making it a union twice.

 

[t3tr4]

To get the PU you have a few options :

1. Mission, if you form GB you will get the mission to PU France for exemple (dlc ?), these mission CB last 20years so be prepared before clicking it.
2. Waiting, if the king dies without an heir there's a chance that you either inherit or get yourself in a PU war, see Atwix guide for great info on this part
3. Claiming the throne, if a nation with your dynasty and a royal marriage have no heir or one with a low claim, you can click the claim throne and get the CB to PU them. You have to act quickly as you can lose the CB if the situation change.

The one with the more player agency is the third option but it also present more risk of losing a new PU compared to the second option. Compared to vassals, with PU you want to focus more on improve relation bonus instead of diplo reputation as liberty desire have little consequences, but you absolutly need to get your relation above 0.

If you are planning to get the PU's by war, always check your ruler's age before going for one. Seems quite obvious but easily forgetable. It would be a shame to battle France for 5 years and lose the PU a month later because your king is old. Have a good amount of ducats available to be able to gift and influence the new PU. Improve relation, have the estate with same religion +25 if available, give subsidies, have the advisor or diplo idea that imrpove relation. If you are the curia controler or the HRE leader use the appoint cardinal or bestow imperial grace for extra relation.

Do you have more precise questions ?

Yeah, too late. I already claimed throne and now they have negative opinion with outraged attitude. My king is 31. I'm improving relations, plus there's a 15 yearly change of opinion. Is that enough time to get it positive before my ruler dies? Their current opinion is -173 with +112 relations bonus. Oopsie...

EDIT: On the plus side, I have more dev than the ottomans and I'm 2nd GP.

 

[Nostalgium]

Yeah, too late. I already claimed throne and now they have negative opinion with outraged attitude. My king is 31. I'm improving relations, plus there's a 15 yearly change of opinion. Is that enough time to get it positive before my ruler dies? Their current opinion is -173 with +112 relations bonus. Oopsie...

EDIT: On the plus side, I have more dev than the ottomans and I'm 2nd GP.

Usually yes, in my experience. Grab the Improve Relations advisor, set a trader in an overlapping node and use the Improve Relations modifier, get the Papal decree if you can. If your King is a general, don't use him for anything. That should give you ~30-40 years of decay for things like AE, recently declared wars and so on. You'll also be fighting wars together in that time, and even if they don't join you due to high liberty desire, they'll still get the "fighting in war" modifier. They also won't get more negative relations from AE.

Hover over their total relations with you, and the tooltip should show you the relation shift every year. Usually when the negative relations are that high, it's from more than one modifier. Stack Improve Relations then, and the net shift per year can quite quickly get up to 10+, meaning you need all of 17 years to burn off that negative opinion.

 

[bokorthedust]

Do you have royal marriages with the others? Claiming a throne will give negative relations with all you have a RM with, something to keep in mind if you wish to PU them one by one down the line.

 

[Guibou]

You can post a screenshot of the relation tooltip, someone might spot something you are missing. But 31 is young and you should have the time to get them in the green... unless you get an hunting accident

 

[EarlKonrad]

I'd suggest you read Atwixi's Guide to Personal Unions if you haven't already.