The new exploit explanation, Why empire size become useless in 3.8
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From the game where I have 5 of them of course.
I have no idea what the code calls them, but ingame they are grey eminenences when organic and somethingsomething autarcis (ish) when ME. Haven't seen the hivemind version yet.
Ed: No need to be rude btw.
The attack on my mental faculties seem unneeded.
Especially when you're wrong.
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Empire size can be avoided by just buying lots of governors. You don't get level 5+ leaders, but no destiny traits can compete with "all your research is 5x-10x as fast, you need near zero miners no matter how many alloys you produce because every metallurgist has -90% upkeep, you don't even need strategics because habitats no longer have sprawl drawbacks, etc."
The exploit described here is having your cake and (mostly) eating it too: ascend everything to 10 to get -60-80% empire size and the enormous empire wide benefits, but still benefit from destiny traits and leader bonuses. The ability to remove empire size from the game doesn't require this exploit, though. If you're considering spending unity on ascensions (in the current build), you should instead be spending it on hiring governors, then fully ascend your empire for free.
Empire size, as a game mechanic that meaningfully reduces the effectiveness of expansion, no longer exists. Without exploits, just by playing the game in a very obvious way, you can remove it. Unless you consider "I hire every governor I see because hiring each one is more profitable than not" to be an exploit.
This is more like a passageway that leads directly from the start of the game to the final fight with Bowser, that you can just walk along (though it has a DO NOT ENTER sign, aka, the leader cap), rather than map clipping exploits. Clearly, the rest of the game exists, so you're not supposed to take this path. But that doesn't make just walking to Bowser an exploit.
You don't even need to go over leader cap if you're using Gray Eminence (though you need a great deal of either luck or patience).
The leader cap uses the same mechanics as fleet capacity, plus an XP penalty. Would you consider the (extremely normal) practice of going 2-3x over fleet capacity an exploit on par with speedrunner wall-clipping?
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>Meanwhile on Earth 52What about other worlds?
"People are playing the game as intended and it's unacceptable!"
I don't know with what settings you play, but if I have 10 loyal prospectoriums, I already control at least half the galaxy or the majority of the empires on the map.
Which would indicate that's more of a scaling issue. I assume you play on the max galaxy size with default habitable planets?
There's so many balance issues with those settings that I didn't play that way for years now. If you want to avoid this kind of exploit, play with min habitable worlds and tiny to medium galaxy size.
I think you read rudeness into my reply, that wasn't my intent. Guessing that you made a mistake is not the same as attacking you. I had just looked through the game files and saw what matched the description since I hadn't seen it myself in game. For what it's worth, "grey eminence" doesn't appear in the trait files at all, it must be a localization string that's probably an error because "supreme organizer" makes a lot more sense for what the trait does. Grey Eminence sounds like something intended for the Grey goo paragon from the L Cluster. So if anything, the game seems to be making a mistake. But if it seemed like I was attacking you, I'm sorry.
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I think it might have been a mistake to try and tie the release of this content to the anniversary of the game.
Which is a bit ironic, because the same thing happened with a patch timed for a previous anniversary, I think it was 2.7 in 2020. IIRC it was probably one of the worst patches the game has ever had with some significant performance problems and crashing.
At least this patch mostly only broke balance
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There is not much issue to have exploit in a SP game. No one forces the players to use them. Let us a bit of time to have fun with themSuffice to say we're paying attention to these types of exploits and they may not be long for this world
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This is the first time I've actually considered uninstalling Stellaris.I think it might have been a mistake to try and tie the release of this content to the anniversary of the game.
Which is a bit ironic, because the same thing happened with a patch timed for a previous anniversary, I think it was 2.7 in 2020. IIRC it was probably one of the worst patches the game has ever had with some significant performance problems and crashing.
At least this patch mostly only broke balance
You can always roll back to 3.7.4 to revert the balance issues.
Plus, I expect it will be better balanced by 3.8.4 or so, so it's not like that would be abandoning all new patches forever.