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Hello everyone. Since day #1 when EUI was released that began this entire EU saga there has been many questions on the leaders in the game. There are some nations with too many, some not enough, some missing and the ever infamous some not at all! And although there has been a sincere effort in the past especially with the EEP its still one area of the game which hasn't yet had a project specifically devoted to it- save ofcourse for the AoN of which I was heavily involved in at the time.

What I propose is a "new and modified leader project" that would involve an in depth review of those leaders current, ones that could be introduced and creating files for those nations with a 0 leadership pool. For those nations with 0 leaders a few suggestions to remedy this "problem" could be to make some of its monarchs into leaders, create fictional ones and finally research as much as possible and see if we can come up with a few that were "over looked". My goal is for every nation in the game to have at least 10 leaders or more. I know this will be a huge undertaking but its one that I'm more than willing to work on and can really use the help of a few good volunteers.

EUII is after all NOT a game based on true historical fact but rather an abstraction of the truth which in my opinion makes it unique. So for example should fictional leaders be generated for those nations that have none? Its a good question that can spark debate but I would say yes. Why not? There's nothing that says they couldn't have existed and rose to command. People will say that is isn't historical well neither is France conquering the world or Bavaria conquering China, etc. etc., the game is centered on "what if's" and this presents good justification for doing so.

And what of the leaders in game now? Should some be modified a little here and there? Definitely. There are also some who are not in the game who should be and here is also where this work comes into play. How many of you have asked a question like why isn't Peter "the Great" of Russia a leader? Or why isn't Andrew Jackson in the USA leader file? We can change all that. I mean yes you can do it personally and edit your own files, thats what I did but why not share the enjoyment with others and work as a group to come up with something for everyone. Besides, this is what this forum is all about.

Also do note that this project is in no way shape or form designed to eliminate any leaders-period. Its just to modify the values, spelling of names, add a few, etc. And for nations that really do not need to add any such as Sweden, France, England and Spain there is still plenty of work that can be done with those files. But if there is someone who was missed and you feel they need to be added, from no matter what country here is the place to do it. For all of you who may not know me I created the USA and CSA leader files for the AoN scenario and worked on some of the other nations as well. We can get this done as fast as possible as long as work together. Volunteers anyone?

p.s. (can someone please sticky this?)
 

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KingCharlesXII said:
Hello everyone. Since day #1 when EUI was released that began this entire EU saga there has been many questions on the leaders in the game. There are some nations with too many, some not enough, some missing and the ever infamous some not at all! And although there has been a sincere effort in the past especially with the EEP its still one area of the game which hasn't yet had a project specifically devoted to it- save ofcourse for the AoN of which I was heavily involved in at the time.

I think the reason for this is the shortage of IDs which one could use for a country so there has never been a real concerted effort...
 

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I think the reason for this is the shortage of IDs which one could use for a country so there has never been a real concerted effort...

Yes but there are also a number of free ID's that can be used and I feel they should be too.
 

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Out of curiousity, how many leader ID's are there and how many have been used? This sounds like a great project, but it'll be pretty tough to find leaders for, say, a rebllious La Plata, or an 18th century Byzantium. So my question is, are you planning to add leaders for fictional nations, or are you going to stick to historical ones?
 

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Taelyn said:
Out of curiousity, how many leader ID's are there and how many have been used?
AFAIK, Paradox raised the 20 000 number to 200 000, so I guess you could at least have 180 000 leaders if you would like that. But with about 230 nations, you wouldn't need more than 10 000 (40+ each).
 

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In my humble opinion there are a bunch of leaders in the default game who ought to be eliminated. They are either entirely fictional, were absolutely useless, or have entirely wrong dates. For example Venice gets a great admiral called Giustiani. I can't see that he relates to any real person, it's just that he was in the board game.

By the way I think this would be nice, although a lot of work. Feel free to use anything I've posted on the board or in the EEP.
 

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In my humble opinion there are a bunch of leaders in the default game who ought to be eliminated. They are either entirely fictional, were absolutely useless, or have entirely wrong dates. For example Venice gets a great admiral called Giustiani. I can't see that he relates to any real person, it's just that he was in the board game.

By the way I think this would be nice, although a lot of work. Feel free to use anything I've posted on the board or in the EEP.

There are definitely quite a few leaders in the game that do not relate. I do not know if Giustiani is one of them but its a good chance he is fictional. I have the board game as well and have used it as a tool for scenario creation in the past. The only question about the board game was the scale of the units in how many men= 1 strength point, 1000? 2000? etc. But anyway the random leader files are one area that we can start work on since obviously a vast majority of those are fictional.

Dates yes, some need to be altered, agreed. For some nations it will take a good deal of research but it can be done as long as we have some dedicated volunteers to do the the work *hint* :D As for sticking to historical as long as we can do so that is a priority. But if not, say for a nation with 0 leaders a fictional one can serve as a "what if?", like so many other points of the game which fit nicely into that category. They wouldn't be spectacular but at least average or slightly better. So, I am excited to start working on this so if there is a country that you would like to choose please feel free to do so. If you just want to go all out and do all of them at random thats okay too. That's what I'll be doing mostly. Thanks!
 

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Huh?? (like the one that was in von Loch Ness' signature ;))

Anyway, I think this is a good idea. The only problem is gathering information, and that would be a bit harder. You can count on me with my areas of expertise (which is actually only sensless posting in the forums ;)). I'll try to help you with Serbia's leaders. BTW, if you need help with hosting the file (when it's done ;)), I can help you there the most. I have a host with unlimited bandwith, and loads of apce :).
 

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VPeric said:
Huh?? (like the one that was in von Loch Ness' signature ;))

hehe OK not very enlightening was it. Joan of Arc should definetely be in this project (which I also think is a very good idea), and she should have a siege value (due to her lifting the siege of Orleans - debateable I know). I hope this project takes off ;)

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VPeric said:
Huh?? (like the one that was in von Loch Ness' signature ;))

Anyway, I think this is a good idea. The only problem is gathering information, and that would be a bit harder. You can count on me with my areas of expertise (which is actually only sensless posting in the forums ;)). I'll try to help you with Serbia's leaders. BTW, if you need help with hosting the file (when it's done ;)), I can help you there the most. I have a host with unlimited bandwith, and loads of apce :).

You're hired :D We could really use you for Serbia and for hosting. Awesome!

...

Jeaan d'Arc will be one of those leaders carefully examined. I agree, her siege value should be increased to at least 2. Though not a brilliant tactician she was what all other generals of France was not and that was a spiritual icon, a beacon of hope that inspired tired and frightened men to fight to the death for God, King and country. Her values are representative of that. Looks like the project is under way! :D
 

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I take it this is a really long term project. Its a lot of work to do research into centuries of world history, not to even mention the nations which had few written records (15th century cherokee leaders? Good luck.). Still, its a noble project, let me see if I can find anything in the University library here.
 

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Taelyn said:
I take it this is a really long term project. Its a lot of work to do research into centuries of world history, not to even mention the nations which had few written records (15th century cherokee leaders? Good luck.). Still, its a noble project, let me see if I can find anything in the University library here.

Good. Thank you. Everything and anything you can find will be greatly appreciated. Point taken that some nations especially those Pagan ones will be extremely difficult to research. But this is why we're here. Let's thrive on difficulty and produce an awesome result. We'll do our very best. ... VPeric, if you can and since you volunteered for Serbia you can start there if you like. Serbia only has 5 leaders of which all of those are also monarchs. See if you can come up with at least 5 more for a total of 10 please, I am sure there are a few out there that are notable. If not we'll work with what we can get, no problem. Thanks again and good luck!