Count?? Ah! I've been demoted from Grand Potentate.
Thats not your fault, it is their own.
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Count?? Ah! I've been demoted from Grand Potentate.
Thats not your fault, it is their own.
Originally posted by DarthMaur
In MGC< due to my warmongering, average 5 major countries (Spain, France, Ottoman Empire, England, Austria) inflation is now 44 percent
Sorry I but I have to tell you that english inflation is about 25% by the moment. Just wanted to correct you!
One day you are going to have to explain how you lost so badly and yet still can build a 5 level colony in Africa.....
A question I received from ICQ
“In such a venture the greatest patriot is the man who is most ready to meet his partner with consideration and respect, and to reach an objective solution to every problem without concerning himself with matters that he conceives to be in national self interest.”
Dwight D Eisenhower.
The day for explanation is today! I have never expressed any particular interest in any of the major powers as I still do not believe I have the knowledge of the Engine or the Events. But when offered to swap as you wished to take Portugal and Eventually Russia I agreed. Having followed the AAR with interest and looked at the event file I realized that the previous Austrian player had severely mismanaged the diplomacy of the nation. The non intervention of Austria in the wars of France, Ottomans and England versus Spain knowing full well the “Hungary joining Austria” event was coming up was either blatant stupidity or an attempt to manipulate the game.
The defeat of Spain and the subsequent peace deal was signed before I took over Austria. I would have pursued a different course than the previous player. This peace deal left the Ottomans free to intervene in Hungary and France to do what it liked in HRE as without Spain Austria is useless. In the little time before the session began I informed Spain of the impending crushing of Austria and he concurred and further wondered like myself what the previous Austrian player had been up too!
I informed Spain that Austria’s Strategy would be, she would stay in the coming war whatever the consequences as her best chance lay in holding on till Spain could intervene and crush France so altering the BOP and Giving the Hapsburgs back a bargaining position stripped so badly by the last player. I pursued this Strategy ruthlessly in game defeats in the field and bankruptcy (the Auto-loan has no place in mp because of lag I wanted not one loan) dogged my every step. But eventually Spain’s truce ended and they could intervene. I then crashed (at such a critical time). I was then Begged for the sake of the game not to pursue my strategy that was working as envisaged and successfully. I rejected this. The Begging continued and if I agreed to give up Franche Comte I was promised a general peace settlement I agreed and though I was loathe to do it had peace with France (it was my belief it was for the sake of the game) This turned out erroneous as Maur made peace with Savoy which took him out of the war with me. It is one thing to ask someone to do something for the sake of the overall game or their overall perceived idea of how the game can develop but then to try and use this to put Spain back in trouble as I had sacrificed my nation to get her out of trouble I find a strain on my good will.
Sorry the original question. As so far play has been determined by player positioning backed by dubious play from "experienced" players I do not find it absurd that in a war were the outcome was decided in advance that i build a colony. But then again i'm no good at following scripts.
A question I received from ICQ
“In such a venture the greatest patriot is the man who is most ready to meet his partner with consideration and respect, and to reach an objective solution to every problem without concerning himself with matters that he conceives to be in national self interest.”
Dwight D Eisenhower.
The day for explanation is today! I have never expressed any particular interest in any of the major powers as I still do not believe I have the knowledge of the Engine or the Events. But when offered to swap as you wished to take Portugal and Eventually Russia I agreed. Having followed the AAR with interest and looked at the event file I realized that the previous Austrian player had severely mismanaged the diplomacy of the nation. The non intervention of Austria in the wars of France, Ottomans and England versus Spain knowing full well the “Hungary joining Austria” event was coming up was either blatant stupidity or an attempt to manipulate the game.
The defeat of Spain and the subsequent peace deal was signed before I took over Austria. I would have pursued a different course than the previous player. This peace deal left the Ottomans free to intervene in Hungary and France to do what it liked in HRE as without Spain Austria is useless. In the little time before the session began I informed Spain of the impending crushing of Austria and he concurred and further wondered like myself what the previous Austrian player had been up too!
I informed Spain that Austria’s Strategy would be, she would stay in the coming war whatever the consequences as her best chance lay in holding on till Spain could intervene and crush France so altering the BOP and Giving the Hapsburgs back a bargaining position stripped so badly by the last player. I pursued this Strategy ruthlessly in game defeats in the field and bankruptcy (the Auto-loan has no place in mp because of lag I wanted not one loan) dogged my every step. But eventually Spain’s truce ended and they could intervene. I then crashed (at such a critical time). I was then Begged for the sake of the game not to pursue my strategy that was working as envisaged and successfully. I rejected this. The Begging continued and if I agreed to give up Franche Comte I was promised a general peace settlement I agreed and though I was loathe to do it had peace with France (it was my belief it was for the sake of the game) This turned out erroneous as Maur made peace with Savoy which took him out of the war with me. It is one thing to ask someone to do something for the sake of the overall game or their overall perceived idea of how the game can develop but then to try and use this to put Spain back in trouble as I had sacrificed my nation to get her out of trouble I find a strain on my good will.
Sorry the original question. As so far play has been determined by player positioning backed by dubious play from "experienced" players I do not find it absurd that in a war were the outcome was decided in advance that i build a colony. But then again i'm no good at following scripts.
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Options for change
Having spent all day at a military simulation event I had plenty of food for thought.
I have decided to make a big change for a number of reasons that I shall lay out now;
We have 2 options.
1) Maur deal combined with an acceptance that France has lost 2 wars on the trot.
2) New line up to reflect the new order that has been created.
There is not a 3rd option, ie to continue as we stand. Why? Well when France did this badly we changed the player and changed the file. So I think we need a change of countries but not players as I bear responsibility as well here. Not only that but I dont have the confidence that certain countries are able to maintain a coherant or cordinated campaign to restore a BoP. Thus I think that if we dont change now we will only be changing in 12 months time anyhow. So I'd rather just do it now.
So what options did I think of?
1) Austria to be merged with Spain
2) Austria repaired and dropped
3) Repaired, dropped and vassalised
4) Repaired and changed to a new player
5) Partial repair, vassalisation and new player
What does repaired mean? Vassalisation of all sub states, loss of all colonies in return for clearance of debt and 20% inflation.
I am currently of the persusian to repair and drop it to reflect a new world order which will contain the following countries.
OTT
ENG
FRA
SPA
LITH
PER OR MAM
POR
SWE
Then in with emergence of Holland
OTT
ENG
FRA
SPA
POR
LITH
PER OR MAM
HOL
Then in 1590
OTT
ENG
FRA
SPA
RUS
HOL
SWE (reintroduced)
And one more to be decided at the time.
There will have to be a clarification on the future playable country relationship rule. You take more than one province from playable countries or reduce them to less than 5 provinces. However you may make them your vassals.
So thats how I see it right now.
Any thoughts please?
Having spent all day at a military simulation event I had plenty of food for thought.
I have decided to make a big change for a number of reasons that I shall lay out now;
We have 2 options.
1) Maur deal combined with an acceptance that France has lost 2 wars on the trot.
2) New line up to reflect the new order that has been created.
There is not a 3rd option, ie to continue as we stand. Why? Well when France did this badly we changed the player and changed the file. So I think we need a change of countries but not players as I bear responsibility as well here. Not only that but I dont have the confidence that certain countries are able to maintain a coherant or cordinated campaign to restore a BoP. Thus I think that if we dont change now we will only be changing in 12 months time anyhow. So I'd rather just do it now.
So what options did I think of?
1) Austria to be merged with Spain
2) Austria repaired and dropped
3) Repaired, dropped and vassalised
4) Repaired and changed to a new player
5) Partial repair, vassalisation and new player
What does repaired mean? Vassalisation of all sub states, loss of all colonies in return for clearance of debt and 20% inflation.
I am currently of the persusian to repair and drop it to reflect a new world order which will contain the following countries.
OTT
ENG
FRA
SPA
LITH
PER OR MAM
POR
SWE
Then in with emergence of Holland
OTT
ENG
FRA
SPA
POR
LITH
PER OR MAM
HOL
Then in 1590
OTT
ENG
FRA
SPA
RUS
HOL
SWE (reintroduced)
And one more to be decided at the time.
There will have to be a clarification on the future playable country relationship rule. You take more than one province from playable countries or reduce them to less than 5 provinces. However you may make them your vassals.
So thats how I see it right now.
Any thoughts please?
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That was my question! But it wasnt meant to generate such a meaningful response
Well, I accept alot of the points and refute some others.
Anyway, perhaps you'd like to comment on my solution to 'our problem'.
Mowers
Hmmm, interesting that you think that Poland is also not able to keep the BOP, despite the fact the country is not too bad at the moment. The main reason why I am still at war with the Ottos was to make sure Maur did carry out his plan of ceding the 3 western provinces to Austria, as historical - I have no problems with that. I certainly do not want to wreck Poland at the moment.
Hmmm, interesting that you think that Poland is also not able to keep the BOP, despite the fact the country is not too bad at the moment. The main reason why I am still at war with the Ottos was to make sure Maur did carry out his plan of ceding the 3 western provinces to Austria, as historical - I have no problems with that. I certainly do not want to wreck Poland at the moment.
Let me explain my attitude towards the game.
What i mean is that there are two attitudes. Let me call it "interest" and "balance of power" attitude.
The best example of the second one is Mowers himself. He thinks that there is balance of power which needs to be maintained, restored-it mainly means that European states strenght is to be balanced. For example, when Spain was beign warred by coalition of England, France and Ottoman Empire, Mowers as Austria did nothing to help Spain, which indeed was very strong at the time.
The first attitude concentrates on perceived interest of the country you play. There are plans, objectives, long and short term allies, enemies, spheres of expansion. There is no thing as balance of power. This is my attitude towards the game. I have absolutly no problem with Spain beign half annexed by France, for example, while others would leave French-Ottoman alliance in such case.
Of course, those types aren't that clearly set-the extreme beign England 'interest' strategy is merely 'balance of power'. In fact, the latter is very English, while former is continental.
Another thing. But let me first describe what hapenned, at least my perception of it.
The previous session begun with peace with Spain. Next two years were quite, until i DOWed Hungary-it was plan to prevent Austria from gaining it, as i knew that Hungarian inheritance is drawing near (Besides, Hungarian King should be killed by Turks, huh, i was merely going after historical accuracy).
Austria joined the war, then France joined too.
Hungary was overrun very quickly, and then the event fired. I got whole Hungary except Magyar which i couldn't capture quickly enough, due to Austrian delaying forces.
Then war switched to Austria proper. Me and France overran it rather quickly, to the extent that almost every its neigbour DOWed Austria, too (It had terrible relations with ai countries).
I asked for Steimark and Magyar, France was asking for some provinces, too. While it was clear we could easily pull it off, as Austria was just too weak, and invaded by almost everyone already, it apparently antagonized whole world.
Poland, Spain, England, Portugal joined the war against me and France. In the west, Spain got Carraibean using TOT (from France), and killed quite many French troops (i watched 50k French army beign killed by Spanish 40k.... doh, they should have retreated...), but it wasn't all out warfare, generally-France wasn't beign overrun or something.
In the east, Austria concentrated on defending its core German provinces-and concentrated very hardly, bancrupting its two times.
I personally think even one bancrupcy isn't worth Steimark and Magyar, not to mention Austria could negotiate better terms, but apparently Smirfy though differently.
The was extreme confusion, everyone was shouting UNPAUSE!, i sincereldy didn't know to do-and French player was stand in, which didn't help French-Otto communication in any way.
I certainly think next time i should ask for few minutes break to cool off and reanalyze the situation(i severely misinterpreted it)-i hope nobody would mind.
(I want to apologize to Barnius, i probably appeared like i was asking to kick him out of the game when Drogo went online-i'm sorry, i was just confused, and didn't know what the rules stated about such situation)
Anyway, Austria demanded two provinces in Hungary. I was still thinking in pre-war ways, and it seemed ridiculous for me (and it indeed was given Austria state....)
I thin it was that time when i signed peace with Savoy, actually not knowing it was leader of the war against Austria. Soon, other peace treaties followed, leaving only Poland-Ottoman war.
Poland refused any talks (well, even before, i kept asking other countries what they want for peace, but they apparently wanted war only....doh)
Anyway, Poland stated that it will fight to the death, despite i was willing to sign WP with her. (And its rather obvious it stood no chance at all). Seemingly, it wanted to prolong the war to give me higher war exhaustion when Spain DOWs me again. That certainly convinced me of Polish hostility towards Ottoman Empire, despite i had absolutly no aggresive intentions against it. Thus, we can write Poland off, too-there is nothing which will stop me from bancrupting it several times, short of some general agreement.
Anyway, during the latter part of the session, i came to my senses, and came up with a deal, which basically meant giving back part of Hungary to Austria for restoration of Carraibean situation.
Thats the story.
What i mean is that there are two attitudes. Let me call it "interest" and "balance of power" attitude.
The best example of the second one is Mowers himself. He thinks that there is balance of power which needs to be maintained, restored-it mainly means that European states strenght is to be balanced. For example, when Spain was beign warred by coalition of England, France and Ottoman Empire, Mowers as Austria did nothing to help Spain, which indeed was very strong at the time.
The first attitude concentrates on perceived interest of the country you play. There are plans, objectives, long and short term allies, enemies, spheres of expansion. There is no thing as balance of power. This is my attitude towards the game. I have absolutly no problem with Spain beign half annexed by France, for example, while others would leave French-Ottoman alliance in such case.
Of course, those types aren't that clearly set-the extreme beign England 'interest' strategy is merely 'balance of power'. In fact, the latter is very English, while former is continental.
Another thing. But let me first describe what hapenned, at least my perception of it.
The previous session begun with peace with Spain. Next two years were quite, until i DOWed Hungary-it was plan to prevent Austria from gaining it, as i knew that Hungarian inheritance is drawing near (Besides, Hungarian King should be killed by Turks, huh, i was merely going after historical accuracy
).Austria joined the war, then France joined too.
Hungary was overrun very quickly, and then the event fired. I got whole Hungary except Magyar which i couldn't capture quickly enough, due to Austrian delaying forces.
Then war switched to Austria proper. Me and France overran it rather quickly, to the extent that almost every its neigbour DOWed Austria, too (It had terrible relations with ai countries).
I asked for Steimark and Magyar, France was asking for some provinces, too. While it was clear we could easily pull it off, as Austria was just too weak, and invaded by almost everyone already, it apparently antagonized whole world.
Poland, Spain, England, Portugal joined the war against me and France. In the west, Spain got Carraibean using TOT (from France), and killed quite many French troops (i watched 50k French army beign killed by Spanish 40k.... doh, they should have retreated...), but it wasn't all out warfare, generally-France wasn't beign overrun or something.
In the east, Austria concentrated on defending its core German provinces-and concentrated very hardly, bancrupting its two times.
I personally think even one bancrupcy isn't worth Steimark and Magyar, not to mention Austria could negotiate better terms, but apparently Smirfy though differently.
The was extreme confusion, everyone was shouting UNPAUSE!, i sincereldy didn't know to do-and French player was stand in, which didn't help French-Otto communication in any way.
I certainly think next time i should ask for few minutes break to cool off and reanalyze the situation(i severely misinterpreted it)-i hope nobody would mind.
(I want to apologize to Barnius, i probably appeared like i was asking to kick him out of the game when Drogo went online-i'm sorry, i was just confused, and didn't know what the rules stated about such situation
)Anyway, Austria demanded two provinces in Hungary. I was still thinking in pre-war ways, and it seemed ridiculous for me (and it indeed was given Austria state....)
I thin it was that time when i signed peace with Savoy, actually not knowing it was leader of the war against Austria. Soon, other peace treaties followed, leaving only Poland-Ottoman war.
Poland refused any talks (well, even before, i kept asking other countries what they want for peace, but they apparently wanted war only....doh)
Anyway, Poland stated that it will fight to the death, despite i was willing to sign WP with her. (And its rather obvious it stood no chance at all). Seemingly, it wanted to prolong the war to give me higher war exhaustion when Spain DOWs me again. That certainly convinced me of Polish hostility towards Ottoman Empire, despite i had absolutly no aggresive intentions against it. Thus, we can write Poland off, too-there is nothing which will stop me from bancrupting it several times, short of some general agreement.
Anyway, during the latter part of the session, i came to my senses, and came up with a deal, which basically meant giving back part of Hungary to Austria for restoration of Carraibean situation.
Thats the story.
Ah, one more thing. There is big difference between stubbornes and determination. The second is admirable, and very nice value of your ally. The first is, well. just bad. And yes, i'm looking at you, PJL. Staying at war, when its so obvious that its lost and enemy is offering favourable peace is not only ahistorical, its bad gameplay. You shouldn't play as PJL you should play as Poland.
Stressing Alot
Hello folks iwe upgraded my Comp !
So im out of ICQ but will correct that as soon as i can !, post a time and i will be there... doing things as fast as i can !
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Hello folks iwe upgraded my Comp !
So im out of ICQ but will correct that as soon as i can !, post a time and i will be there... doing things as fast as i can !
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As for solution-i certainly object for repairing Austria. It was decision of Smirfy, and he isn't stand in who deliberately tries to ruin the country, as was the French case (someone talked to French stand in who said that).
But i'm not sure what should be done now (well, apart from the fact that Spain-and England-have to give back what they took in Carraibean). If not, they may as well start preparing for next war.
Lithuania is big no-no.
Persia, as Mowers said, is a bit too far away-it would be only interesting when Europeans go to India.
Mameluks are nice, though they could be rather short-lived...(could)
And for Austria, as i said it should be repaired. It can be dropped, but i don't see any reason to edit it in any way.
Merging with Spain is bad idea, too. It gives half of it to Spain soon, anyway.
We may either leave it as human, or switch it to another country. There are plenty, although no one is good, true.
Of well. I don't see that big problem. Of course, Austria is pretty much out, sadlyD), but its acutally simple-either Spain agrees to our terms, or not. If yes, everyone is shiny happy, if not, Poland is killed, Austria is still given those provs back, and Spain finds itself at war.
But i'm not sure what should be done now (well, apart from the fact that Spain-and England-have to give back what they took in Carraibean). If not, they may as well start preparing for next war.
Lithuania is big no-no.
Persia, as Mowers said, is a bit too far away-it would be only interesting when Europeans go to India.
Mameluks are nice, though they could be rather short-lived...(could)
And for Austria, as i said it should be repaired. It can be dropped, but i don't see any reason to edit it in any way.
Merging with Spain is bad idea, too. It gives half of it to Spain soon, anyway.
We may either leave it as human, or switch it to another country. There are plenty, although no one is good, true.
Of well. I don't see that big problem. Of course, Austria is pretty much out, sadly
D), but its acutally simple-either Spain agrees to our terms, or not. If yes, everyone is shiny happy, if not, Poland is killed, Austria is still given those provs back, and Spain finds itself at war.
Originally posted by DarthMaur
Let me explain my attitude towards the game.
What i mean is that there are two attitudes. Let me call it "interest" and "balance of power" attitude.
The best example of the second one is Mowers himself. He thinks that there is balance of power which needs to be maintained, restored-it mainly means that European states strenght is to be balanced. For example, when Spain was beign warred by coalition of England, France and Ottoman Empire, Mowers as Austria did nothing to help Spain, which indeed was very strong at the time.
The first attitude concentrates on perceived interest of the country you play. There are plans, objectives, long and short term allies, enemies, spheres of expansion. There is no thing as balance of power. This is my attitude towards the game. I have absolutly no problem with Spain beign half annexed by France, for example, while others would leave French-Ottoman alliance in such case.
Of course, those types aren't that clearly set-the extreme beign England 'interest' strategy is merely 'balance of power'. In fact, the latter is very English, while former is continental.
Another thing. But let me first describe what hapenned, at least my perception of it.
The previous session begun with peace with Spain. Next two years were quite, until i DOWed Hungary-it was plan to prevent Austria from gaining it, as i knew that Hungarian inheritance is drawing near (Besides, Hungarian King should be killed by Turks, huh, i was merely going after historical accuracy
Austria joined the war, then France joined too.
Hungary was overrun very quickly, and then the event fired. I got whole Hungary except Magyar which i couldn't capture quickly enough, due to Austrian delaying forces.
Then war switched to Austria proper. Me and France overran it rather quickly, to the extent that almost every its neigbour DOWed Austria, too (It had terrible relations with ai countries).
I asked for Steimark and Magyar, France was asking for some provinces, too. While it was clear we could easily pull it off, as Austria was just too weak, and invaded by almost everyone already, it apparently antagonized whole world.
Poland, Spain, England, Portugal joined the war against me and France. In the west, Spain got Carraibean using TOT (from France), and killed quite many French troops (i watched 50k French army beign killed by Spanish 40k.... doh, they should have retreated...), but it wasn't all out warfare, generally-France wasn't beign overrun or something.
In the east, Austria concentrated on defending its core German provinces-and concentrated very hardly, bancrupting its two times.
I personally think even one bancrupcy isn't worth Steimark and Magyar, not to mention Austria could negotiate better terms, but apparently Smirfy though differently.
The was extreme confusion, everyone was shouting UNPAUSE!, i sincereldy didn't know to do-and French player was stand in, which didn't help French-Otto communication in any way.
I certainly think next time i should ask for few minutes break to cool off and reanalyze the situation(i severely misinterpreted it)-i hope nobody would mind.
(I want to apologize to Barnius, i probably appeared like i was asking to kick him out of the game when Drogo went online-i'm sorry, i was just confused, and didn't know what the rules stated about such situation
Anyway, Austria demanded two provinces in Hungary. I was still thinking in pre-war ways, and it seemed ridiculous for me (and it indeed was given Austria state....)
I thin it was that time when i signed peace with Savoy, actually not knowing it was leader of the war against Austria. Soon, other peace treaties followed, leaving only Poland-Ottoman war.
Poland refused any talks (well, even before, i kept asking other countries what they want for peace, but they apparently wanted war only....doh)
Anyway, Poland stated that it will fight to the death, despite i was willing to sign WP with her. (And its rather obvious it stood no chance at all). Seemingly, it wanted to prolong the war to give me higher war exhaustion when Spain DOWs me again. That certainly convinced me of Polish hostility towards Ottoman Empire, despite i had absolutly no aggresive intentions against it. Thus, we can write Poland off, too-there is nothing which will stop me from bancrupting it several times, short of some general agreement.
Anyway, during the latter part of the session, i came to my senses, and came up with a deal, which basically meant giving back part of Hungary to Austria for restoration of Carraibean situation.
Thats the story.
Your demands taken with French demands plus French gains were totally unacceptable and left Austria with no alternative as you hand inflicted a harsh peace on Spain. My strategy was worked out before the game and though it could not really effect the Ottomans it did have a devastating effect on France and brought Spain as envisaged before hand back to her pre war strength
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In the heat of the game people get very emotional and do things that they do not do when they are in a more calm and rational mood.
Well I personally think this war should end ASAP - perhaps I was a bit too stubborn in the end. My gameplan was was simply keep on fighting until I was getting stab hit peace offers, in which case I would have accepted peace whatever. The fact is that the Ottoman immediate occupation of Hungary took me completely by surprise (I was not thinking that that Maur would do anything so bold - I did ask him twice in private before the event occured what he was going to do, not fuly realising about the 1526 event - thought the Hungary inheritance was later, around 1540).
As a result, I acted completely out of character (partly because of anger at the Ottomans doing it, and partly anger at me not doing something about it beforehand), and starting being very antagonistic towards Turkey.
This was no doubt the biggest mistake I've made in this campaign - had I realised the true intentions of Maur, and the implications of the event, I would have acted much sooner.
However, I am willing to make compromises - I certainly agree to what he has proposed regarding the Austrian situation, and whatever Spain agrees to in the Carribean.
Well I personally think this war should end ASAP - perhaps I was a bit too stubborn in the end. My gameplan was was simply keep on fighting until I was getting stab hit peace offers, in which case I would have accepted peace whatever. The fact is that the Ottoman immediate occupation of Hungary took me completely by surprise (I was not thinking that that Maur would do anything so bold - I did ask him twice in private before the event occured what he was going to do, not fuly realising about the 1526 event - thought the Hungary inheritance was later, around 1540).
As a result, I acted completely out of character (partly because of anger at the Ottomans doing it, and partly anger at me not doing something about it beforehand), and starting being very antagonistic towards Turkey.
This was no doubt the biggest mistake I've made in this campaign - had I realised the true intentions of Maur, and the implications of the event, I would have acted much sooner.
However, I am willing to make compromises - I certainly agree to what he has proposed regarding the Austrian situation, and whatever Spain agrees to in the Carribean.
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SWEDEN
1523 Peace came to Europe, the great powers finally came to an conclusion... Meanwhile sweden had forged good diplomatic realations with both England and Poland... three years pases as we build up an army and an war treasury and July 1526 war is declared on Russia and Poland yoins the war even if its only to show support !, Lithuania backs out but is brought in on our side a month later...
40000 Infantery and a war treasury of 500D made me sure of viktory... Three Armies with 20000 men under the command of Lars Ericksson crosses the border into Livland... Three armies await in Finland consisting of 20000 men moves into Kexholm... Two years later Russia surrenders and cedes Onega, Karelia and Estland to Sweden... This war costed sweden alot of people and almost all of its war treasury...
In 1528 a few month from the war end with Russia a Fellow named Brahe lays fourth an Expedition based on old viking maps... 2500 Cav and 3 ships of the line is mustered and the expedition sails for the swedish colonies near greenland...
The Great and Strong Ottoman Empire attacks hungary wich sets of anouther great war... and rages still across Europe, altough a diplomatic solution seems to be underway
In 1532 Denmark declares war, and we finds our self utterly poorly prepared for this war... and Two new armies is set into Construction... By 1533 an army moves into Trondelag with 10000 Inf and the army in Smaland 10000 men under Lars Ericksson secures southern Sweden and a probable push into Skane
End of part III
1523 Peace came to Europe, the great powers finally came to an conclusion... Meanwhile sweden had forged good diplomatic realations with both England and Poland... three years pases as we build up an army and an war treasury and July 1526 war is declared on Russia and Poland yoins the war even if its only to show support !, Lithuania backs out but is brought in on our side a month later...
40000 Infantery and a war treasury of 500D made me sure of viktory... Three Armies with 20000 men under the command of Lars Ericksson crosses the border into Livland... Three armies await in Finland consisting of 20000 men moves into Kexholm... Two years later Russia surrenders and cedes Onega, Karelia and Estland to Sweden... This war costed sweden alot of people and almost all of its war treasury...
In 1528 a few month from the war end with Russia a Fellow named Brahe lays fourth an Expedition based on old viking maps... 2500 Cav and 3 ships of the line is mustered and the expedition sails for the swedish colonies near greenland...
The Great and Strong Ottoman Empire attacks hungary wich sets of anouther great war... and rages still across Europe, altough a diplomatic solution seems to be underway
In 1532 Denmark declares war, and we finds our self utterly poorly prepared for this war... and Two new armies is set into Construction... By 1533 an army moves into Trondelag with 10000 Inf and the army in Smaland 10000 men under Lars Ericksson secures southern Sweden and a probable push into Skane
End of part III
France
I'll begin by admitting, my bad. I didn't realize all this would come of a war with austria. I was just looking to try and get one or the other of my cores. I'll also admit that my inexperience was a factor, as I didnt realize the hungarian inheritance event counted as a collapse of their govt. thus ceding everything to the controllers (ie the turks). Furthermore, I WAS trying to help the game overall by getting a simple peace with austria. They looked to be in a real bad way, and we actually fought off rebels to prevent their govt from falling (not sure if it was all that close, but more on that later), and was not trying to manipulate the game or anything of the like. My frustration and confusion was also compounded by a sudden bout of lag, as everythign was going so fast in game, but nohting was happening for me. I'd thought I was helping keep austria from where she is now, as even the AI was taking several of her provinces that I hadnt already taken in the netherlands. as to french demands....one province?! that seemed reasonable to me, and, even if it wasn't, any kind of response from austria during the hectic time would have been nice, rather than the silence which I got.
I am generally a balance of power player...but I don't like to abandon my allies, unless they abandon me. Plus, I feel that it would get boring without stirring the pot sometimes eh?
I'll agree to whatever consensus there is concerning austria.
All in all I hope things aren't going too badly for france since the last time i played her.
And I hope I don't miss the next session. finally, I hope that no one is taking all this crap personally, it is just a game
I pity da fool dat messes wit France!
I'll begin by admitting, my bad. I didn't realize all this would come of a war with austria. I was just looking to try and get one or the other of my cores. I'll also admit that my inexperience was a factor, as I didnt realize the hungarian inheritance event counted as a collapse of their govt. thus ceding everything to the controllers (ie the turks). Furthermore, I WAS trying to help the game overall by getting a simple peace with austria. They looked to be in a real bad way, and we actually fought off rebels to prevent their govt from falling (not sure if it was all that close, but more on that later), and was not trying to manipulate the game or anything of the like. My frustration and confusion was also compounded by a sudden bout of lag, as everythign was going so fast in game, but nohting was happening for me. I'd thought I was helping keep austria from where she is now, as even the AI was taking several of her provinces that I hadnt already taken in the netherlands. as to french demands....one province?! that seemed reasonable to me, and, even if it wasn't, any kind of response from austria during the hectic time would have been nice, rather than the silence which I got.
I am generally a balance of power player...but I don't like to abandon my allies, unless they abandon me. Plus, I feel that it would get boring without stirring the pot sometimes eh?
I'll agree to whatever consensus there is concerning austria.
All in all I hope things aren't going too badly for france since the last time i played her.
I pity da fool dat messes wit France!
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Yet again a new advisor had been appointed to the King of France. He opened the scroll on the large oak table and read what Europes great nations had decided...
"Peace of Madrid
After years of bloody warfare Europe has finally come to peace. The coalition of the states England, France and Ottoman Empire has proposed their terms for a peace and the Court of Spain has accepted. The war is finally coming to an end.
The representatives of the Coalition and Spain have met in Sevilla and the following treaty was signed:
1.) Spain will cede Mahe to Portugal and Bourbon to England and will not attempt any colonization in the Indian Ocean area anymore.
2.) Spain will also not attempt to colonize Africa no more and will cede Leone to Ashanti, Palanas to Ottoman Empire and make Benin an independent vasall of Spain.
3.) Ottoman Empire agrees to not colonize the interior of Africa and will stay on the coastline until 1590 with an exception of pagan provinces owned by non-pagan nations, which currently means awdaghost and walata. Portugal cedes Senegal to Ottoman Empire.
4.) Spain has agreed to turn over Brazil(Portugese TOT) to Portugal but has the freedoom to discuss single provinces with Portugal if he offers acceptable compensation for Portugal.
5.) The Caribean is to be divided as followed:
Cuba (Moron, Guantamo and Havana), Puerto Rico, St.Martin and Antigua will be handed over to France.
Guadeloupe, Martinique, Dominica, Tortuga will remain spanish and Barahona will be handed over to Spain.
Ottoman Empire will remain in hold of Barbados.
Jamaica, Les Cayes and St.Thomas will be handed over to England.
Curacao is now accepted as polish territory.
And Tobago/Trinidad will remain Swedish as it was before.
6.) Spanish territorial integrity in Europe will be restored and Spain´s souvereignty over Navarra, the Canaries, the Baleares, Sardinia, Malta and Sicily is accepted.
7.) Spain has to pay reparations of 1000 ducats to each of the three nations of the coalition or has the choice of paying 3333 ducats in 5 years.
8.) And Languedoc and Roussillon are to be handed over to France.
9.) On spanish intervention it was accepted that Poland is to be included in the peace treaty.
10.) Spain´s borders inside the TOT are Bayou Wichita which is to be english and sacramento which is to be californian border.
The above terms were accepted and ratified by all four Nations. Poland has accepted her part of the agreement."
Languedoc and Roussillon were now in French possession but the carabean islands were still in Spanish possession and the war damage money had not been paid. An messenger was sent from Paris to Madrid to ask when the conditions of the treaty was to be fulfilled. The answer was that it was not to be. So Spain had signed a treaty but now refused to fulfill it? This could not be accepted by the French crown. France so far had no colonies but a substantial army of 78 k cavalry. A declaration was made that France intended to demand what had been promised to her in the treaty of Madrid by means of arms if Spain refused to abide by it.
In july 1535, when the truce ended, France's embassador formally informed the Spainish government that there existed a state of war between Spain and France until Spain agreed to fulfill its obligations in the treaty of Madrid. If Spain furthermore resisted by arms France would require Spain to cover the costs of the war France had been forced into.
Portugal declared that she wanted to stay outside of the war. France agreed to this since the quarrel was solely between Spain and France.
During the first couple of months everything was quit but then two Iberian armies attacked Bearn and Roussillon The first in Roussillon consisting of some 20 k mixed troops were butchered by the entire french cavalry force. In the wooded terrain of Bearn the french didnt fare as well but had to retreat after a long struggle wherein the Spanish however sustained the greatest losses.
Right before the Bearn garrsion would have to surrender the french attacked a second time, this time annihaliting the Spaniards, some 25 k troops.
A second wave of invading forces were likewise eliminated. The estimated Spanish losses for the first years of the war was around 100.000 compared to 20.000 french, the majority attrition losses. France now had a 10 % victory against Spain but no provinces had changed hands so far.
A small scouting force of 1.000 infantry was sent to the Spanish border in 1538 to see if the hostilities were about to end after nearly 36 months of no fighting. This force was annihilated by the spanish but that also meant the war would go on for another 3 years at least!
The french government at this time recieved some foreign news.
" The english has declared that they find our war aims fair."
"It makes sense, what more?"
"The Spanish has agreed to pay some of the war damages to the OE, probably in hope that it will refrain the Turks from helping us fulfilling the treaty of Madrid."
"The Sultan is a man of honor, we shall see about this. Anything else?"
"There are reports of massive native unrest in the Spanish colonies in Central america. More than 10 provinces are controlled by rebels. Surely some of them will proceed to throw of the Spanish yoke soon."
"Ahh, see time is working in our favor. Surely the Spanish will soon have to come to their senses. I find it hard to belive that they would reach Paris before their own Empire would start collapsing. Hopefully they will soon agree to fulfill our just and reasonable demands. The islands will have to be ceded and the money paid."
So ended the first period of this wise advisors reign
"Peace of Madrid
After years of bloody warfare Europe has finally come to peace. The coalition of the states England, France and Ottoman Empire has proposed their terms for a peace and the Court of Spain has accepted. The war is finally coming to an end.
The representatives of the Coalition and Spain have met in Sevilla and the following treaty was signed:
1.) Spain will cede Mahe to Portugal and Bourbon to England and will not attempt any colonization in the Indian Ocean area anymore.
2.) Spain will also not attempt to colonize Africa no more and will cede Leone to Ashanti, Palanas to Ottoman Empire and make Benin an independent vasall of Spain.
3.) Ottoman Empire agrees to not colonize the interior of Africa and will stay on the coastline until 1590 with an exception of pagan provinces owned by non-pagan nations, which currently means awdaghost and walata. Portugal cedes Senegal to Ottoman Empire.
4.) Spain has agreed to turn over Brazil(Portugese TOT) to Portugal but has the freedoom to discuss single provinces with Portugal if he offers acceptable compensation for Portugal.
5.) The Caribean is to be divided as followed:
Cuba (Moron, Guantamo and Havana), Puerto Rico, St.Martin and Antigua will be handed over to France.
Guadeloupe, Martinique, Dominica, Tortuga will remain spanish and Barahona will be handed over to Spain.
Ottoman Empire will remain in hold of Barbados.
Jamaica, Les Cayes and St.Thomas will be handed over to England.
Curacao is now accepted as polish territory.
And Tobago/Trinidad will remain Swedish as it was before.
6.) Spanish territorial integrity in Europe will be restored and Spain´s souvereignty over Navarra, the Canaries, the Baleares, Sardinia, Malta and Sicily is accepted.
7.) Spain has to pay reparations of 1000 ducats to each of the three nations of the coalition or has the choice of paying 3333 ducats in 5 years.
8.) And Languedoc and Roussillon are to be handed over to France.
9.) On spanish intervention it was accepted that Poland is to be included in the peace treaty.
10.) Spain´s borders inside the TOT are Bayou Wichita which is to be english and sacramento which is to be californian border.
The above terms were accepted and ratified by all four Nations. Poland has accepted her part of the agreement."
Languedoc and Roussillon were now in French possession but the carabean islands were still in Spanish possession and the war damage money had not been paid. An messenger was sent from Paris to Madrid to ask when the conditions of the treaty was to be fulfilled. The answer was that it was not to be. So Spain had signed a treaty but now refused to fulfill it? This could not be accepted by the French crown. France so far had no colonies but a substantial army of 78 k cavalry. A declaration was made that France intended to demand what had been promised to her in the treaty of Madrid by means of arms if Spain refused to abide by it.
In july 1535, when the truce ended, France's embassador formally informed the Spainish government that there existed a state of war between Spain and France until Spain agreed to fulfill its obligations in the treaty of Madrid. If Spain furthermore resisted by arms France would require Spain to cover the costs of the war France had been forced into.
Portugal declared that she wanted to stay outside of the war. France agreed to this since the quarrel was solely between Spain and France.
During the first couple of months everything was quit but then two Iberian armies attacked Bearn and Roussillon The first in Roussillon consisting of some 20 k mixed troops were butchered by the entire french cavalry force. In the wooded terrain of Bearn the french didnt fare as well but had to retreat after a long struggle wherein the Spanish however sustained the greatest losses.
Right before the Bearn garrsion would have to surrender the french attacked a second time, this time annihaliting the Spaniards, some 25 k troops.
A second wave of invading forces were likewise eliminated. The estimated Spanish losses for the first years of the war was around 100.000 compared to 20.000 french, the majority attrition losses. France now had a 10 % victory against Spain but no provinces had changed hands so far.
A small scouting force of 1.000 infantry was sent to the Spanish border in 1538 to see if the hostilities were about to end after nearly 36 months of no fighting. This force was annihilated by the spanish but that also meant the war would go on for another 3 years at least!
The french government at this time recieved some foreign news.
" The english has declared that they find our war aims fair."
"It makes sense, what more?"
"The Spanish has agreed to pay some of the war damages to the OE, probably in hope that it will refrain the Turks from helping us fulfilling the treaty of Madrid."
"The Sultan is a man of honor, we shall see about this. Anything else?"
"There are reports of massive native unrest in the Spanish colonies in Central america. More than 10 provinces are controlled by rebels. Surely some of them will proceed to throw of the Spanish yoke soon."
"Ahh, see time is working in our favor. Surely the Spanish will soon have to come to their senses. I find it hard to belive that they would reach Paris before their own Empire would start collapsing. Hopefully they will soon agree to fulfill our just and reasonable demands. The islands will have to be ceded and the money paid."
So ended the first period of this wise advisors reign
A couple of thoughts.
I think that Russia instead of Lithuania or Sweden should be made available for play as early as 1492. As obviously, neither Sweden nor Poland-Lithuania is strong enough to present a real threat from the east.
I also think it is a mistake to jump around nations to redress the balance...As it is not the nation really that makes it a major, it is being controlled by a consistently good and experienced player for a long stretch of time. An AI controlled Russia will always fall way more behind in colonization and tech then if a player had been at the helm, subsequently he is not quite such a threat.
I also think you shouldn't tamper with anything but let the game continue. Yes, there is a penalty to be had with having inexperienced undedicated stand-ins fuck up someone's country, but I dealt with it =P
I think that Russia instead of Lithuania or Sweden should be made available for play as early as 1492. As obviously, neither Sweden nor Poland-Lithuania is strong enough to present a real threat from the east.
I also think it is a mistake to jump around nations to redress the balance...As it is not the nation really that makes it a major, it is being controlled by a consistently good and experienced player for a long stretch of time. An AI controlled Russia will always fall way more behind in colonization and tech then if a player had been at the helm, subsequently he is not quite such a threat.
I also think you shouldn't tamper with anything but let the game continue. Yes, there is a penalty to be had with having inexperienced undedicated stand-ins fuck up someone's country, but I dealt with it =P
btw.
Good job so far, Maur. I love seeing the Ottomans grab Hungary like in RL. (Austria inherited two provinces RL!!)
Good job so far, Maur. I love seeing the Ottomans grab Hungary like in RL. (Austria inherited two provinces RL!!)
France 1528-1531
First I'd like to thank you all for an interesting game.
It was fun yesterday and again today when I was reading history log.
I am not that good in wars, especially not when I am totally unprepared. Moreover, it was my FIRST real war against players . I was aware of the war between France and Austria, but didn’t expect to be DoWed from England, Spain and Portugal too. Signing a peace was what I had in mind, and I expected some diplomacy, negotiation, … First I was confused when I realized Mowers was in fact Portugal, not Austria, and I was told the peace with Austria under condition “Franche Comte to France” was arranged with Mowers. Why was it discussed with Portugal??!! And Maur was reminding me we are allies and should stick together – no separate peace!
So, for a month I just looked around and did nothing . I realized France has a relatively high score against Austria and could ask more than just Franche Comte. After I demanded Genua too, there was a series of different messages form alliance: talking about BoP, something like “just please, please accept… we need that peace… Austria is too weak…” True, OE was unbelievably advanced. Even had more colonies than France! But I am his ally. If they want it so bad they should offer more!
What finally made me sign a peace was when I saw Spain, Portugal and England are after French possessions in Caribbean. When I first noticed it, I managed to find some time to check the ledger with intention to find my nearest large fleet… But there was no large fleet! Only a few warships and some more galleys! Why wasn’t France investing in navy when she fought so many wars for Caribbean islands? How was she planning to keep them? Why has she joined that war if she wasn’t ready to defend those valuable possessions? All those questions were on my mind in the same time. King of France must have had some kind of solution – I just have to think! But how, when I can’t pause, have to place those merchants, optimally if possible (economist in me I can’t stand to look more than 2 of them waiting useless )...YES! The solution is I am France now, not England or Portugal, countries usually play, I am the mightiest army in Europe, warrior, not merchant. They can occupy all my colonies – I will occupy Spain and she will wish she never entered this war! And Brasil is mainly TPs – I will send a regiment of cavalry there and threaten to burn them all! England could be more difficult, but she will have her own domestic problems. I just have to concentrate – finally I command a great army and can practice some war with real, dangerous opponents. Great. Lets go to Spain .Situation in Caribbean was still a mystery for me than. How could my colonies be Spanish now? Or perhaps they were TPs, not colonies, so Spain burned them down and build her own? Yes, I thought, that should be the explanation… LaEx says no, he doesn’t use that strategy… True, on Cuba there is a whole city he didn’t have time to build, and it has French culture… The mystery still remains…
Than Maur pointed out I don’t have to – Spain is in Flandres advancing south with almost 40 k army. Well, surely there will not be difficult to defeat them with my 50+ k army! I send my two armies to unite in Artois (I think) and defeat treacherous Spaniards. But my armies were annihilated! Why? Yes, it has to be leaders! In those AARs they are constantly writing how leaders are important! Where are my leaders? Only one in Savoy. Damn. OK, no need to panic, Spain is besieging Paris, bit it will hold long enough. I ordered mobilization of mainly cavalry on the way of my leader to Paris and somewhere in the middle I confronted that Spanish leader, defeated him and escorted to Austrian Lowlands. His next looting campaign was his last – all of his men were killed and my northern army was revenged .
Perhaps I should stayed in war longer, but there was no point if the peace was arranged with regular French king. So I said, OK, we will make peace. The deal was Austria gets peace with France and France gets Franche Comte. I tried to arrange first to make peace with England and Spain, and than with Austria, but I was told it should be other way around. And that I can believe your ambassadors – they will sign a white peace immediately after the peace with Austria is signed. Spain confirmed that in writing. OK, I suppose the question of Caribbean Islands will be resolved somehow later.
I accepted to get only Franche Comte because I saw I could get Piedmont form Savoy. I waited with peace partly because of siege of Savoy. So, when everything was arranged, I signed a separate peace with Savoy, taking Piedmont. After all, we agreed Austria gets peace for Franche Comte – and that’s exactly what she got . It seems to me Maur than realized Savoy was the leader of alliance in war with Austria and used it to end the war with both. I understand perhaps that’s not what you wanted, but the war with Poland was still going on and you could have still WE Maur if that was your intention – I think it was.
In the end I had some more luck: Savoy left Austrian alliance and I quickly invited her to French alliance. Hopefully that will be useful for the future French politics, especially regarding BB limits you are using.
France also send a few colonists to India – provinces of Madurai and Trivandrum. I realize it’s far away and the same argument I used against entering a war (France couldn’t control her colonies) can be used here against me, but soon there will be no land free to make foothold there. Hopefully at least one of them will hold until ships with armies to control them arrive to their ports.
Technicalities related to landing exercises on French islands in Caribbean will have to be settled in another conference (editing the file to the pre-war state). I suppose members of alliance had their fun, but in the beginning I was truly confused and a bit scared what will French King say when he returns and see the remains of France.
As I said in the beginning, it was fun, but too fast for me. If France were in peace it would be much easier. Or if we discussed peace offers a bit slower and with game paused instead everyone saying UNPAUSE .But than I wouldn’t have the chance to taste the atmosphere of a large war and all the difficulties related to such a situation. So thank you for an interesting experience. I just hope I won’t be remembered in the history as another one who ruined France .
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Now I know what happened in Caribbean! How completely totally generally stupid of me! Maur, thanks for mentioning ToT! I knew something was wrong, but in all that confusion I simply forgot that. And all the time since I just couldn’t find an explanation. Stupid, stupid, stupid...
First I'd like to thank you all for an interesting game.
It was fun yesterday and again today when I was reading history log.
I am not that good in wars, especially not when I am totally unprepared. Moreover, it was my FIRST real war against players
. I was aware of the war between France and Austria, but didn’t expect to be DoWed from England, Spain and Portugal too. Signing a peace was what I had in mind, and I expected some diplomacy, negotiation, … First I was confused when I realized Mowers was in fact Portugal, not Austria, and I was told the peace with Austria under condition “Franche Comte to France” was arranged with Mowers. Why was it discussed with Portugal??!! And Maur was reminding me we are allies and should stick together – no separate peace!So, for a month I just looked around and did nothing
. I realized France has a relatively high score against Austria and could ask more than just Franche Comte. After I demanded Genua too, there was a series of different messages form alliance: talking about BoP, something like “just please, please accept… we need that peace… Austria is too weak…” True, OE was unbelievably advanced. Even had more colonies than France! But I am his ally. If they want it so bad they should offer more!What finally made me sign a peace was when I saw Spain, Portugal and England are after French possessions in Caribbean. When I first noticed it, I managed to find some time
to check the ledger with intention to find my nearest large fleet… But there was no large fleet! Only a few warships and some more galleys! Why wasn’t France investing in navy when she fought so many wars for Caribbean islands? How was she planning to keep them? Why has she joined that war if she wasn’t ready to defend those valuable possessions? All those questions were on my mind in the same time. King of France must have had some kind of solution – I just have to think! But how, when I can’t pause, have to place those merchants, optimally if possible (economist in me I can’t stand to look more than 2 of them waiting useless )...YES! The solution is I am France now, not England or Portugal, countries usually play, I am the mightiest army in Europe, warrior, not merchant. They can occupy all my colonies – I will occupy Spain and she will wish she never entered this war! And Brasil is mainly TPs – I will send a regiment of cavalry there and threaten to burn them all! England could be more difficult, but she will have her own domestic problems. I just have to concentrate – finally I command a great army and can practice some war with real, dangerous opponents. Great. Lets go to Spain .Situation in Caribbean was still a mystery for me than. How could my colonies be Spanish now? Or perhaps they were TPs, not colonies, so Spain burned them down and build her own? Yes, I thought, that should be the explanation… LaEx says no, he doesn’t use that strategy… True, on Cuba there is a whole city he didn’t have time to build, and it has French culture… The mystery still remains…Than Maur pointed out I don’t have to – Spain is in Flandres advancing south with almost 40 k army. Well, surely there will not be difficult to defeat them with my 50+ k army! I send my two armies to unite in Artois (I think) and defeat treacherous Spaniards. But my armies were annihilated! Why? Yes, it has to be leaders! In those AARs they are constantly writing how leaders are important! Where are my leaders? Only one in Savoy. Damn. OK, no need to panic, Spain is besieging Paris, bit it will hold long enough. I ordered mobilization of mainly cavalry on the way of my leader to Paris and somewhere in the middle I confronted that Spanish leader, defeated him and escorted to Austrian Lowlands. His next looting campaign was his last – all of his men were killed and my northern army was revenged
.Perhaps I should stayed in war longer, but there was no point if the peace was arranged with regular French king. So I said, OK, we will make peace. The deal was Austria gets peace with France and France gets Franche Comte. I tried to arrange first to make peace with England and Spain, and than with Austria, but I was told it should be other way around. And that I can believe your ambassadors – they will sign a white peace immediately after the peace with Austria is signed. Spain confirmed that in writing. OK, I suppose the question of Caribbean Islands will be resolved somehow later.
I accepted to get only Franche Comte because I saw I could get Piedmont form Savoy. I waited with peace partly because of siege of Savoy. So, when everything was arranged, I signed a separate peace with Savoy, taking Piedmont. After all, we agreed Austria gets peace for Franche Comte – and that’s exactly what she got
. It seems to me Maur than realized Savoy was the leader of alliance in war with Austria and used it to end the war with both. I understand perhaps that’s not what you wanted, but the war with Poland was still going on and you could have still WE Maur if that was your intention – I think it was.In the end I had some more luck: Savoy left Austrian alliance and I quickly invited her to French alliance. Hopefully that will be useful for the future French politics, especially regarding BB limits you are using.
France also send a few colonists to India – provinces of Madurai and Trivandrum. I realize it’s far away and the same argument I used against entering a war (France couldn’t control her colonies) can be used here against me, but soon there will be no land free to make foothold there. Hopefully at least one of them will hold until ships with armies to control them arrive to their ports.
Technicalities related to landing exercises on French islands in Caribbean will have to be settled in another conference (editing the file to the pre-war state). I suppose members of alliance had their fun, but in the beginning I was truly confused and a bit scared what will French King say when he returns and see the remains of France.
As I said in the beginning, it was fun, but too fast for me. If France were in peace it would be much easier. Or if we discussed peace offers a bit slower and with game paused instead everyone saying UNPAUSE
.But than I wouldn’t have the chance to taste the atmosphere of a large war and all the difficulties related to such a situation. So thank you for an interesting experience. I just hope I won’t be remembered in the history as another one who ruined France .---------------
Now I know what happened in Caribbean! How completely totally generally stupid of me! Maur, thanks for mentioning ToT! I knew something was wrong, but in all that confusion I simply forgot that. And all the time since I just couldn’t find an explanation. Stupid, stupid, stupid...
I dont see the point of having any country in the game that simply exists to AI bash and contributes to game in no way. This is how I see an early Russian entrance. It would also create a super Russia early.
Under the current rules Russia AI doesnt have the 20% inflation and gets the 6K D to launch it. I did feel last time that we had some of the problems you describe. Hopefully it wont happen this time. This is further compounded by the manufactory rule, the lack of which ruined our last game, (not a single country has yet to build one!) which means that there will not be the huge gap to catch up on.
I feel this alot at the moment and ought to be enough. Considering what has happened so far I would currently appear to be getting it just right.
Lots of stand ins are very good and become regular players and just because you dont like their particular strategy doesnt mean they are a fuck up. Finally, if we dont give these people a go then they will never get better. We need them just as much as they need us.
Finally I am not prepared to have countries in the game that are no longer able to contribute effectively. It makes no sense.