The marriage Guide

[Alexspeed]

I was a bit overwhelmed and confused by all the marriage possibilities, so i tried to make a small guide
on what marriage possibillities there are and what happenes when the couple actually marries.

Its especially tricky to estimate, to wich court the couple will head to when they get married and what happenes when they hold titles.
Thats why i wanted to make this small guide so you can see it at a glance without guessing.

I hope i found all the possible cases and listed them, but this is partly guesswork, there might be errors in this list,
please help me to correct them, if there is something wrong in the guide, i will correct it asap.

Also let me know if there are special cases that i have overlooked that i could add to the list.

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First the parts of cases where your dynasty is involved:

No dynasty part ruling anything:
- your dynasty male - normal marriage - other dynasty female <- she moves to his court (children will be of your dynasty)
- your dynasty female - normal marriage - other dynasty male <- she moves to his court (children will be of other dynasty)
- your dynasty male - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty female <- he moves to her court (children will be of other dynasty)
- your dynasty female - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty male <- he moves to her court (children will be of your dynasty)

Your dynasty part is ruling something:
- your dynasty male - normal marriage - other dynasty female <- she moves to his court (children will be of your dynasty)
- your dynasty female - normal marriage - other dynasty male <- he moves to her court (children will be of other dynasty)
- your dynasty male - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty female <- she moves to his court (children will be of other dynasty)
- your dynasty female - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty male <- he moves to her court (children will be of your dynasty)

Other dynasty part is ruling something:
- your dynasty male - normal marriage - other dynasty female <- he moves to her court (children will be of your dynasty)
- your dynasty female - normal marriage - other dynasty male <- she moves to his court (children will be of other dynasty)
- your dynasty male - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty female <- he moves to her court (children will be of other dynasty)
- your dynasty female - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty male <- she moves to his court (children will be of your dynasty)

Both dynasty parts are ruling something with different value titles:
- your dynasty male - normal marriage - other dynasty female <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of your dynasty)
- your dynasty female - normal marriage - other dynasty male <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of other dynasty)
- your dynasty male - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty female <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of other dynasty)
- your dynasty female - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty male <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of your dynasty)

Both dynasty parts are ruling something with same value titles:
- your dynasty male - normal marriage - other dynasty female <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of your dynasty)
- your dynasty female - normal marriage - other dynasty male <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of other dynasty)
- your dynasty male - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty female <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of other dynasty)
- your dynasty female - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty male <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of your dynasty)


And then the cases when you are marrying pepole that are in your court but not in your dynasty:

No part ruling anything:
- male from your court - normal marriage - other dynasty female <- she moves to his court (children will be of males dynasty)
- female from your court - normal marriage - other dynasty male <- she moves to his court (children will be of males dynasty)
- male from your court - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty female <- he moves to her court (children will be of females dynasty)
- female from your court - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty male <- he moves to her court (children will be of females dynasty)

part from your court is ruling something:
- male from your court - normal marriage - other dynasty female <- she moves to his court (children will be of males dynasty)
- female from your court - normal marriage - other dynasty male <- he moves to her court (children will be of males dynasty)
- male from your court - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty female <- she moves to his court (children will be of females dynasty)
- female from your court - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty male <- he moves to her court (children will be of females dynasty)

Other dynasty part is ruling something:
- male from your court - normal marriage - other dynasty female <- he moves to her court (children will be of males dynasty)
- female from your court - normal marriage - other dynasty male <- she moves to his court (children will be of males dynasty)
- male from your court - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty female <- he moves to her court (children will be of females dynasty)
- female from your court - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty male <- she moves to his court (children will be of females dynasty)

Both parts are ruling something with different value titles:
- male from your court - normal marriage - other dynasty female <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of males dynasty)
- female from your court - normal marriage - other dynasty male <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of males dynasty)
- male from your court - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty female <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of females dynasty)
- female from your court - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty male <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of females dynasty)

Both parts are ruling something with same value titles:
- male from your court - normal marriage - other dynasty female <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of males dynasty)
- female from your court - normal marriage - other dynasty male <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of males dynasty)
- male from your court - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty female <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of females dynasty)
- female from your court - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty male <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of females dynasty)

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Please let me know of any errors (especially about the cases where there are titles involved), so i can correct them, or special cases that i might have overlooked!

Also, if you have any usefull tipps to share, please do so in this thread!

Thank you for reading =)


This can also be found on the Crusader Kings 2 WIKI - come and contribute!

 

[jaxpac]

I was a Duke and I had my son marry an heir to a duchy. When I died and began playing as this son I was ruling my original duchy but my wife who had inherited another duchy was off running her duchy. I couldn't see on the map what she was doing and was as if we weren't married at all. Although we were still able to have children. I had assumed the two duchies would be consolodated somehow. What happened here?

 

[Alexspeed]

I was a Duke and I had my son marry an heir to a duchy. When I died and began playing as this son I was ruling my original duchy but my wife who had inherited another duchy was off running her duchy. I couldn't see on the map what she was doing and was as if we weren't married at all. Although we were still able to have children. I had assumed the two duchies would be consolodated somehow. What happened here?

Thats exactly the case that i am not sure about, because i didnt had the possibillity to try it out.
I would have assumed the same you did, but it seems that is not the case then.

Edit: I corrected the chart with the case you brought up.

 

[unmerged(451341)]

Great guide, please sticky this if possible.

 

[unmerged(129317)]

I was a Duke and I had my son marry an heir to a duchy. When I died and began playing as this son I was ruling my original duchy but my wife who had inherited another duchy was off running her duchy. I couldn't see on the map what she was doing and was as if we weren't married at all. Although we were still able to have children. I had assumed the two duchies would be consolodated somehow. What happened here?

I believe they're only consolidated in your children and that's only if your election laws all pick the same heir for your and her titles.

 

[Elusivian]

I was a Duke and I had my son marry an heir to a duchy. When I died and began playing as this son I was ruling my original duchy but my wife who had inherited another duchy was off running her duchy. I couldn't see on the map what she was doing and was as if we weren't married at all. Although we were still able to have children. I had assumed the two duchies would be consolodated somehow. What happened here?

Your heir will be the one to rule over the merged realms, if your succession laws and Kingdom Crown Laws permit the same heir.

 

[Alexspeed]

I believe they're only consolidated in your children and that's only if your election laws all pick the same heir for your and her titles.

Your heir will be the one to rule over the merged realms, if your succession laws and Kingdom Crown Laws permit the same heir.

I put that in the chart. Is that correct only for this case with the same ranking title, or also for cases when the there are different value titles?

 

[Fjoelsvider]

yes to your question.

 

[Alexspeed]

yes to your question.

Thank you, i updated the chart, looks like its correct now hopefully =)

 

[Alexspeed]

This Guide can also be found on the Crusader Kings 2 WIKI - come and contribute!

Please let me know if there is still something to add or correct =)

 

[Murtnowski]

I was the King of Ireland and my son and heir regular married a non-independant duchess in France. My son had no holding so he left my court when they married. When I died 6 years later and became my son I noticed that I now had two sons from my marriage with the duchess, but they were of her dynasty and not mine.

According to the chart I was expecting them to be of my dynasty, can someone please explain or is this a bug?

 

[TheStrangerOrg]

I was a bit overwhelmed and confused by all the marriage possibilities, so i tried to make a small guide
on what marriage possibillities there are and what happenes when the couple actually marries.

Its especially tricky to estimate, to wich court the couple will head to when they get married and what happenes when they hold titles.
Thats why i wanted to make this small guide so you can see it at a glance without guessing.

I hope i found all the possible cases and listed them, but this is partly guesswork, there might be errors in this list,
please help me to correct them, if there is something wrong in the guide, i will correct it asap.

Also let me know if there are special cases that i have overlooked that i could add to the list.

------------------------------------------------------

First the parts of cases where your dynasty is involved:

No dynasty part ruling anything:
- your dynasty male - normal marriage - other dynasty female <- she moves to his court (children will be of your dynasty)
- your dynasty female - normal marriage - other dynasty male <- she moves to his court (children will be of other dynasty)
- your dynasty male - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty female <- he moves to her court (children will be of other dynasty)
- your dynasty female - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty male <- he moves to her court (children will be of your dynasty)

Your dynasty part is ruling something:
- your dynasty male - normal marriage - other dynasty female <- she moves to his court (children will be of your dynasty)
- your dynasty female - normal marriage - other dynasty male <- he moves to her court (children will be of other dynasty)
- your dynasty male - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty female <- she moves to his court (children will be of other dynasty)
- your dynasty female - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty male <- he moves to her court (children will be of your dynasty)

Other dynasty part is ruling something:
- your dynasty male - normal marriage - other dynasty female <- he moves to her court (children will be of your dynasty)
- your dynasty female - normal marriage - other dynasty male <- she moves to his court (children will be of other dynasty)
- your dynasty male - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty female <- he moves to her court (children will be of other dynasty)
- your dynasty female - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty male <- she moves to his court (children will be of your dynasty)

Both dynasty parts are ruling something with different value titles:
- your dynasty male - normal marriage - other dynasty female <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of your dynasty)
- your dynasty female - normal marriage - other dynasty male <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of other dynasty)
- your dynasty male - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty female <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of other dynasty)
- your dynasty female - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty male <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of your dynasty)

Both dynasty parts are ruling something with same value titles:
- your dynasty male - normal marriage - other dynasty female <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of your dynasty)
- your dynasty female - normal marriage - other dynasty male <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of other dynasty)
- your dynasty male - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty female <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of other dynasty)
- your dynasty female - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty male <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of your dynasty)


And then the cases when you are marrying pepole that are in your court but not in your dynasty:

No part ruling anything:
- male from your court - normal marriage - other dynasty female <- she moves to his court (children will be of males dynasty)
- female from your court - normal marriage - other dynasty male <- she moves to his court (children will be of males dynasty)
- male from your court - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty female <- he moves to her court (children will be of females dynasty)
- female from your court - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty male <- he moves to her court (children will be of females dynasty)

part from your court is ruling something:
- male from your court - normal marriage - other dynasty female <- she moves to his court (children will be of males dynasty)
- female from your court - normal marriage - other dynasty male <- he moves to her court (children will be of males dynasty)
- male from your court - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty female <- she moves to his court (children will be of females dynasty)
- female from your court - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty male <- he moves to her court (children will be of females dynasty)

Other dynasty part is ruling something:
- male from your court - normal marriage - other dynasty female <- he moves to her court (children will be of males dynasty)
- female from your court - normal marriage - other dynasty male <- she moves to his court (children will be of males dynasty)
- male from your court - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty female <- he moves to her court (children will be of females dynasty)
- female from your court - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty male <- she moves to his court (children will be of females dynasty)

Both parts are ruling something with different value titles:
- male from your court - normal marriage - other dynasty female <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of males dynasty)
- female from your court - normal marriage - other dynasty male <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of males dynasty)
- male from your court - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty female <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of females dynasty)
- female from your court - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty male <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of females dynasty)

Both parts are ruling something with same value titles:
- male from your court - normal marriage - other dynasty female <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of males dynasty)
- female from your court - normal marriage - other dynasty male <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of males dynasty)
- male from your court - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty female <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of females dynasty)
- female from your court - matrilinearl marriage - other dynasty male <- both stay at their court and rule, no title changes, their heir can get both titles if crown & sucession law of both titles permit it (children will be of females dynasty)

------------------------------------------------------

Please let me know of any errors (especially about the cases where there are titles involved), so i can correct them, or special cases that i might have overlooked!

Also, if you have any usefull tipps to share, please do so in this thread!

Thank you for reading =)


This can also be found on the Crusader Kings 2 WIKI - come and contribute!

:O i thought mariage was quite simple, after reading the first few lines of your post i am quite confused now tho

 

[Ebenweb]

:O i thought mariage was quite simple, after reading the first few lines of your post i am quite confused now tho

it's simpler than this post makes it seem, i think. you can summarise it more easily with "rules", rather than listing out all the possible permutations:

- by default, marriage favours the male: female comes to his court, children are members of his dynasty and can inherit claims and titles from the mother
- matrilienal marriage favours the female in all the same ways
- partners don't join the other's court if they already have titles of their own
- sometimes crown/succession laws prevent titles being "inherited to" other realms

 

[Garak]

I was a Duke and I had my son marry an heir to a duchy. When I died and began playing as this son I was ruling my original duchy but my wife who had inherited another duchy was off running her duchy. I couldn't see on the map what she was doing and was as if we weren't married at all. Although we were still able to have children. I had assumed the two duchies would be consolodated somehow. What happened here?

Assuming you and your wife have the same heir, they will be consolidated when said heir inherits.

 

[Ebenweb]

An interesting side-note on inheritance and dynasty members in foreign courts. Consider this scenario:

You're a duke. You marry a young duchess in another realm and have a son--her first. Your wife dies and your son inherits her duchie in the foreign land. Since you and your son are now both dukes he can't be your vassal, so he takes his new title and leaves your realm, setting himself up as an independant ruler like your wife was.

Before you die, you form a kingdom. Your son continues to rule his independant duchie, visiting you only at Christmas and your birthday.

Finally, you die. As your primary heir, he inherits your kingdom AND brings his own duchie along with him.


The moral of this story is that on inheritance, rulers will join the realm where they own the highest title. Occasionally they can inherit a foreign title and leave your realm, but rejoin you later if they inherit a higher title in YOUR realm.

 

[TheStrangerOrg]

it's simpler than this post makes it seem, i think. you can summarise it more easily with "rules", rather than listing out all the possible permutations:

- by default, marriage favours the male: female comes to his court, children are members of his dynasty and can inherit claims and titles from the mother
- matrilienal marriage favours the female in all the same ways
- partners don't join the other's court if they already have titles of their own
- sometimes crown/succession laws prevent titles being "inherited to" other realms

i know its simple its just the layout and colours that make it confusing to read

 

[Ebenweb]

Another intersting scenario illustrating inheritance from foreign realms:

Playing as the king of sicilly, I married the duchess of Spoletto. My kingdom was independant but she was a vassal of the Holy Roman Empire, although she had more land than I did. My realm was next to hers.

Through various assasinations, I arranged for the son we had together to be both our primary heir, so everything we had would be inherited by him and our realms would be united.

What I didn't anticipate was that when my ruler died and I started playing as my son, I lost my independance and became a vassal of the Holy Roman Empire! Kingdoms can be vassals of empires and more than half my land already belonged to the HRE at the time of inheritance.

What I wonder is, would the same thing have happened if the majority of my land came from my original kingdom and only a minority came from hers, or would I have remained independant?

 

[Ebenweb]

I was the King of Ireland and my son and heir regular married a non-independant duchess in France. My son had no holding so he left my court when they married. When I died 6 years later and became my son I noticed that I now had two sons from my marriage with the duchess, but they were of her dynasty and not mine.

According to the chart I was expecting them to be of my dynasty, can someone please explain or is this a bug?

I'm surprised they weren't of your dynasty as well. That doesn't follow the rules the devs have estabslished.
How could you tell they were of a different dynasty? Different last names/coats of arms?