The many problems of Galactic Custodianship

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So i've done a number of runs now going for galactic emperor, and i've noticed a couple issues with the galactic custodian and how it works.

So, the Galactic custodian is supposed to be a defender of the galactic community right? The defender of their safety and of the laws of the community. Well then why are there no obligations or limitations inherit to the role? In my most recent game i became custodian after the Khans rise, only to never even engage a Khan fleet, or attack they're systems. The Khan died to a concubine assassin having never seen one of my fleets.

And in the meantime i managed to somehow convince the council to make me a permanent Custodian, create the GDF and reduce the number of council positions to just me.

Imagine that conversation in any real life political interview. "look i know we've done literally none of the things we're supposed to do as Custodian, but you should definitely centralize all political and military power in our hands. We'll certainly use it for good." riiiiight.

I think there needs to be some pretty big changes to how custodian works if we want to make it, ya'know, do the job it's supposed to. As well as making the rise to emperor a more worthy and interesting endevour.

The Custodian is the arm of the Council:
The Custodian shouldn't be a member of the council, at least not automatically, but maybe could rejoin the council with another law.

But instead should be the arm of the council, subject to the councils orders. The council can order the Custodian to defend certain systems, target certain fleets, capture worlds Ect. In return the custodian not only gets the GDF, but can also request aid from non-council members of the community when it pertains to a council-given mission. Like requesting fleets to help, or resources to rebuild from a battle from a mission.

The council should be able to put forward laws to further restrict the freedom of the Custodian, banning them from using certain policy's (we of the council are really sick of our Custodian, defender of our galaxy wide democracy, keeping damn SLAVES), from using Colossus ect. While the Custodian can put forward laws expanding they're power and freedom, not just the GDF but also giving them the ability to ignore council requests or outright remove the councils ability to ask.

The Custodian's voting power should be limited.... at first:
The custodian, in exchange for it's many boons and privileges, should loose some diplomatic weight and the ability to vote on certain things ( having the defender set the community's policy on warfare and war rules would be a bitttttttt sketchy) at least until they manage to pass new laws removing those limitations, and then perhaps expanding they're power (diplo weight) further.

Maybe the Custodian, in exchange for being able to freeze a policy from going to the vote for a time, forfeit's they're right to put forward they're vote on that policy in the future. after all it's clear which way they lean, if they want to use they're executive power then they should loose the right to then also wade in on the issue in the regular vote.

Rise to Imperium:
The rise to becoming the Galactic Emperor should be a more gradual and actually be authoritarian in nature. The Custodian requires greater resources to keep the galaxy safe, we'll need to implement a tax, 5% of the entire community's alloys please. We, as the Custodian spend great resources protecting the galaxy's vast trade routes, it's past time that the traders started paying they're dues. 10% trade income as tax, thank you.

Perhaps it turns out, in our vast conflicts keeping the many empires of the community safe from outside threats our fleets require places to rest and repair far from our borders. we'll need to begin building Custodian stations in community's members border's which are capable of repairing and upgrading our fleets.

Maybe even our vast fleet has proven insufficient to defend the vast holdings of the community. we need the community members to provide perhaps a small portion of they're fleet cap to expand our far more effective GDF fleets, so that we could better defend them.

And, after so much of the community's vast economic and military has been centralized it is time to declare our intent. We are better off as an Empire where the new Emperor can enact the reforms need to further goals of the new Galactic Empire.

With the Empire now declared, it's time for work to begin. The old Custodian stations served they're purpose, but now it is time we ensured the empires many subjects know who it is who keep them...... safe. it is time we armed these stations. equipped them with vast battery's of weapons and large shipyards to keep the Armada strong. And the tax's of the past, well they served, but now there's no reason for the our many subjects to hold such wealth when it would serve the empire far better in our hands. they're fleets as well, it is past time we began limiting the power of our new subjects. after all, with the Grand Imperial Armada protecting them, what need could they have of such vast forces.

And so on and so on. until either the entire Empire is completely under the Imperial Cores thumb, or until, finally the many members of the Empire finally snap, and begin the work needed to throw off the yoke of Imperial control.
 
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So, the Galactic custodian is supposed to be a defender of the galactic community right? The defender of their safety and of the laws of the community. Well then why are there no obligations or limitations inherit to the role?
It's like the Roman dictatorship; you are granted extensive rights to deal with a matter, this may be fighting a war, reforming the society or whatever. Only as a custodian (or emperor) you can propose the creation of a galactic army or other galactic institutions.
 
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It's like the Roman dictatorship; you are granted extensive rights to deal with a matter, this may be fighting a war, reforming the society or whatever. Only as a custodian (or emperor) you can propose the creation of a galactic army or other galactic institutions.

But that's supposed to be what the Emperor is like. remember, the Custodian is meant to be the Democratic alternative. Think more akin to the US in the UN and NATO right now. a protector who everyone will agree to support and will give additional authority in exchange for they're military protection.

As Custodian i have even fewer limitations than as Emperor. At least then i have to maintain imperial authority to gain some benefits and avoid the possibility of a revolt. As Custodian the only things i don't get in comparison are the imperial legion's and the civic, and yet i'm allowed to pillage and slaughter as the supposed protector of democracy with impunity. In my latest game i was a robot empire who slaughtered a third of the galaxy's organic population with my colossus and enslaved almost 300 pops for grid amalgamation.

All without any reprisal. As the damn Custodian.

I should at least start with some level of limitations and obligations that i can then roll back over time.
 
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Think more akin to the US in the UN and NATO right now. a protector who everyone will agree to support and will give additional authority in exchange for they're military protection.

and yet i'm allowed to pillage and slaughter as the supposed protector of democracy with impunity. In my latest game i was a robot empire who slaughtered a third of the galaxy's organic population with my colossus and enslaved almost 300 pops for grid amalgamation.

Seems pretty accurate and realistic though, especially if you take the hunger and poverty deaths as a consequence of global capitalism into account.
 
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Imo i think the custodian is in fact done correctly, if the aim is to simulate the Republican Rome version of the position. Someone is given extraordinary and extreme powers in order to resolve a crisis, because nothing else will actually hope to address the problem, since the voting body is too mired in politics and factionalism to fix it. Maybe one of he factions themselves is the danger to the greater good but law and due process prevent there removal. Maybe an external rapidly evolving threat that requires unilateral action to handle.

Giving one entity emergency power in this way is always an exchange of representation and fairness, for expediency. And very frequently the body doing the election knows at least in a passive sense that this could go right down the toilet to despotism, they just hope it does not, and the elected actually returns power as stipulated, because the alternative is something like annihilation or mass collapse of society.

A custodian is duely elected and nominally a more secure position of power because he does so at the behest of the community that installs him, and thus has public and poltical opinion behind him. An emperor discards this popular support in order to do away with anyone else haveing the levers of law against them.

Custodian, a populist hero safe in his adoration(or at least his term limit). An emperor, a despot on a throne ever on guard lest someone stab them in the back for the throne. Who do think has more freedom of action?


That said i think the custodian does have a little to much leeway atm, because there is no mechanism to rate there performance and no meaningful restrictions on when they can be elected. You just say i wanna be defacto king of the galaxy, yes/no after the GC has been around awhile. that's it, no active crisis, no threat to the greater good just i wanna. That part makes no sense.

Rating performance is however a huge kettle of fish, because not only does it need have some concrete metrics, those metrics also need to be subject to manipulation, both negative and positive, because this "performance" is political subjectivity to the electing body. Slander, spin, and all the rest of the cesspit needs to be able to corrupt the value. How do you execute blatant free for all "cheating" in a game where almost everything is exposed and on the table?
 
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The rise to becoming the Galactic Emperor should be a more gradual and actually be authoritarian in nature. The Custodian requires greater resources to keep the galaxy safe, we'll need to implement a tax, 5% of the entire community's alloys please. We, as the Custodian spend great resources protecting the galaxy's vast trade routes, it's past time that the traders started paying they're dues. 10% trade income as tax, thank you.

We have two prominent examples of republics becoming empires: the Roman Republic and the First French Republic. Neither one of them became an empire remotely as you suggest here. In both cases military forces basically stockpiled due to incessant wars until someone took the step of using them internally. (I'm not going to sully this discussion by talking too much about the horrible garbage fire Star Wars prequels, but even in that pathetic case... military forces were stockpiled from incessant warfare until someone took the step of using them internally. No one ever became emperor solely by raising taxes.)
 
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the Custodian is meant to be the Democratic alternative. Think more akin to the US in the UN and NATO right now. a protector who everyone will agree to support and will give additional authority in exchange for they're military protection.
No, custodian is never democratic alternative or whatever.

They are appointed dictator with time limit to solve a crisis that democracy fail to solve, basically like a dictator position in Roman Republic.
 
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Change of subject - Does the AI play custodian and how does it take to using a GDF? I’m guessing no more useful as a federation fleet in use… (I don’t own nemesis yet)
 

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Is not one of the empires selected as custodian and not a concrete person? So for example a direct democracy player country on top of the charts could be selected as custodian. I never understood that in a way that that ends democracy or even changes the way rulers are elected in this democracy. The other nations also keep there political system.
Its more like humanity getting attacked and the UN gives the USA military leadership of the defense, but the US still has elections and other countries still that what they have.
After the attack or the threat is over it is planned that those leadership is removed. Becoming emporer then means breaking that promise and trying to subjugate the other nations.
 
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I suppose it coinciding with the global spread of capitalism is just a coincidence then, as are the hundreds of millions of victims of communism and assorted authoritarian economic ideologies. Yeah, last time I heard, the whole world is trying to migrate to Cuba and Venezuela for their outstanding living standards.

Nobody ask for your political opinions, please stay on topic.
 
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If we want realism, Shared Burdens civic should reduce food growth by 95%.
Not necessarily, the Soviets had a higher calorie intake than Americans:

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So shared burden is just fine as it is.
 
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Not necessarily, the Soviets had a higher calorie intake than Americans:

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That graph is bunk and, I'm sorry, but I come from an ex-communist state and the things Westerners take for granted – such as bananas or even sausages – were constant deficit goods in the USSR that people had to queue up for in front of stores to obtain and that normal people without insider connections in Party could hope to eat perhaps once a month. The recent pictures of empty shelves in post-Brexit Britain are an eerie reminder of daily life in the Soviet Union and also of the validity of the horseshoe theory where both the juvenile populist right and campus left come together in their entitled hatred of the very systems that have enabled their comfortable existence in the first place.


It might be, yes. Correlation does not imply causation.
In this case, you're just wrong. Show me a single state that has achieved high living standards through a command economy, and no, Scandinavian countries have some of the freest economies (Denmark and Finland surpassing even the supposedly hypercapitalist US) in the world (that are just highly taxed – mostly regressively – to support a welfare state).
 
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In this case, you're just wrong. Show me a single state that has achieved high living standards through a command economy, and no, Scandinavian countries have some of the freest economies (Denmark and Finland surpassing even the supposedly hypercapitalist US) in the world (that are just highly taxed – mostly regressively – to support a welfare state).
You seem to have misunderstood my position. I'm not saying that capitalism isn't better than command economies at producing wealth. I'm just saying that the graph you linked to in your first post in this thread is insufficient to prove that it is. I'm being pedantic, not political.
 
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No, it's accurate. The linked novel on the other hand... well, I hope you've read it.
Was Soviet caloric intake higher than the US'?


No. In saying this, I'm saying the FAO is wrong, and that Robert Allen, who based his calculations in FAO data (and used their multipliers), didn't notice. To say this, I had to go through a full literature review, and I come to this opinion. Before reading my post, you were totally justified in believing that caloric intake was higher. Not anymore. Unless some FAO official tells us why did they used their coefficients, that seem to go against the Sovietological literature.
 

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Is it time to mass report the thread or can we be on topic?
 
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