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My apologies for not noticing the comments about the ring. 44 pages is rather a lot to take in all in one sitting. Hugh's mistake, in that event, was in not demandng it.

Chivalry was practical. It protected nobles, their women and children. It was a code of conduct that regulated life. King Stephen ought to have ignored it; King John ought to have followed it, he'd have kept his kingdom.

Castles could surrender on terms or arrange to surrender by a certain date unless relieved, which is why Bannockburn happened. Once a castle's walls had been breached, the defenders could expect no mercy. Nobles were usually kept for ransom. hanging a knight for rape would only be possible and legal(!) had the castle been stormed by scaling ladder without a breach. I don't recollect the exact circumstances. On occasion, not even nobles were spared -a l'outrance. Should Aveline be killed, Hugh will be blamed. In the confusion of a castle stormed, a wayward arrow would accomplish Trempwick's long cherished desire to be rid of mother. You have leaned more towards Stephen than John in your model for Hugh.

Nell has her priorities sorted!
Jocelyn has his misconceptions.

You are indeed a party-pooper. Killing off Stephan. Humph! I will cling stubbornly to the "wrong, but romantic" notion that he is still alive. Edward VI's double could have been killed wearing Edward's clothes and everyone would have sworn that it was Edward who had died. For a young man that brilliant to be caught unawares by Trempwick just does not ring true. Stephan liveth yet!
 
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Stephen didn't strike me as really brilliant, just ok-ish.

I'd say Eleanor beats him in guile, intelligence, and wisdom. She just lacks in manliness, so to speak :p



And I still think it's stupid to use Hugh as a puppet as Trempy must have attempted with William. Hugh is, I think, just too headstrong for that. Too smart to be controlled, not smart enough to beat you. Only thing you can do is beat him.
 

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You know, for just a second there, I thought you might throw a twist at us and have there be no bloody sheet in the morning. :eek: But I see that all Nell has said has been true. But of course it has been. :D

A calm morning after in most respects for Nell and Fulk. Too bad one cannot say the same for Jocy. He did fairly well for his condition, all things told.
 

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Riding immediately behind the bier which bore the mortal remains of his father, Hugh found no respite. Knowledge was power, so it was said. The truth of this Hugh did not dispute; knowledge and power both did his peace of mind scant good, and so there must be a kinship. Both, at present, brought forth in him most indecorous things, touching that rotten core of his with gossamer fingers which stirred and pulled.

It was best that his father was dead, no more than a soul long fled and a corpse being carried in procession to St Albans, there to rest until Westminster was reclaimed. An unfilial thought. Best for all concerned that now he was beyond the mortal cares of this vale of tears. Best. If he yet lived … Hugh shuddered to think what this knowledge would have done to his lord father. To hear his youngest daughter was to wed her baseborn bodyguard, the ignominy would have destroyed him. No, best he could not see what his line had come to, how profoundly it had sunk. For the sake of a man’s belief in his legacy preserved to comfort him in his dying, Hugh was glad, and ever would be.

From this vantage point Hugh could see the crown of his lord father’s head, a monk’s tonsure forming naturally in the sandy locks, growth forever now arrested. Tonsures represented God’s ability to see into the minds of men. Fit to be less than dust before the Almighty’s feet, Hugh would never claim such an ability, yet the coincidence struck him and mocked him, as it had throughout this day’s journey and as it would doubtless continue to do. He believed he could see into the now still thoughts – knew. Knew, and knew it was for the best Eleanor’s disgrace had come after their father’s death. Else once more he would have had to stand by as … Resolutely he formed the thought into words in the shelter of his mind; to flinch from it was spinelessness. Eleanor would have died, by their father’s hand. Not a thing of law as John’s execution had been. Murder.

Altogether it would have been the ultimate breakdown, the ruination of a good man the damnation of his soul and his memory and his life’s work. An explosion of temper, a crumpling of a vital thing within … thus the man who was his father would have died, taking Eleanor with him and leaving an animated shell which resembled the man now gone.

But their father was dead, safely dead. It was only Hugh left to face what his sister had wrought.

Hate. Hugh meditated on that word as he rode, viewing it from all angles and trying it in all applications, tasting it, testing it, weighing it. In all, he concluded about a half mile later, it was too mild a word. He hated what Nell had done. He hated her for doing it. He hated his own reactions to it. He hated her for not being clever enough to find another way to satisfy the King of Scots. He hated the King of Scots for his part in it. Such understatements!

And he hated that he was relieved. His most dangerous rival in one motion rendered considerably less hazardous. To welcome the ruin of his sister for the security it brought him! Then to celebrate her tearing the heart from Trempwick’s rebellion! To delight in her increased need of him, to know that with this he could draw her fangs and fasten her to his side for long years to come – she would need him to escape the full consequences of her ill-chosen husband, and to keep from being the King of Scot’s creature. Oh yes, all of this he hated.

Some part of him – a grain of sand out of a beach – wished Eleanor joy in her marriage. He hated that too, and hated himself for begrudging her his kindly wishes.

Hugh turned to Constance, suddenly grateful that she had defied him to ride her palfrey at his side instead of in a carriage. “Do you think … Does a child inherit any personality from its parents?”

“Some, perhaps.”

“Then I hope any ours inherits comes exclusively from you.” Hugh’s gaze lowered unwillingly to focus on Constance’s midriff and the child therein, wondrous promise and dire threat both, and reminder of other potential children. “If Nell had a child …”

“It would have no firm place in the world. Part royalty and close to the throne, part common.”

“And a threat to ours,” said Hugh, his words weary with the weight of their meaning. If his children must take some part of his character let it not be this, let the corruption pass over this next generation and become extinct, let it be content with the two generations it had already blighted.

A pained expression stole over Constance’s face. “Yes. Nell’s child, the ‘rightful’ heir to the ‘rightful’ heir cheated of her kingdom.”

“A child with no place save the one it makes, and that place of necessity high, for the world would never allow it to sink into obscurity.”

“A ready-made figurehead for discontent to form behind, as Nell herself is being used. Save a child could not resist, as she does. Or it may not wish to, once grown.”

“Or the parents may become ambitious on its behalf. It would only be natural.” Leaning over he placed a hand over his growing baby; still he could feel nothing, but Constance reported flutters of movement increasing in frequency. “Parents will risk much to give their offspring a better life.” He straightened in the saddle, letting his hand slip away. The purity of that precious life should not be marred by such thoughts as he held now. It was for the protection of that life he thought in such ways; he would barter away life and soul and eternity and all else, and do so gladly, if only it would keep his baby safe. He could not lose another, could not – would not – fail this one as he had the others. Nothing would be permitted to harm this child. No matter the cost. “So many newly born babies die. I should hate for Nell to endure that loss.” Hate, that inadequate word again. His limp hand flailed out again, caught Constance’s like an anchor to secure him against the wave of desperation surging through him. “Make sure she does not. Please. No child, no loss – you can give her sisterly advice, convince her. She is not build for breeding anyway – say it is for that. Only, please, do something.”

Sometimes the few must suffer so the majority did not have to. Sometimes one died so more did not. Sometimes it was the innocent who paid, to keep the base safe from their own flaws. Sacrifice. It was a very kingly lesson, one Hugh was learning well. His soul groaned under the burden of it. He feared the day when it might not, the day he found himself drained dry.





Sorry, only 1 day off last week, and I didn’t get to spend it writing.

Probably not the reaction most expected from Hugh. Anger, yes. Relief and the rest, no … or perhaps so, with some thought for where he is going. Makes sense if you think on it.

Hugh the father is formidable. After seeing his children murdered, all but one before they were even born, he’s verily bursting with protective urges. Already he loves that baby so much he believes he will do anything for it. It’s one of the things I like about him.

Now I must get some sleep before I drop on the keyboard; I was up late last night doing this scene and frogs simply are not made for disrupted sleeping patterns. Makes me feel like I haven’t slept at all. Got to be up early tomorrow, again. I shall come back to the comments tomorrow evening.
 

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very nice, froggy, all of it.
yes, the wedding too.

If you ever put all this in a book I'm ready to buy at least 4 :p

Hey, those thoughts of Hugh about Eleanor's children make me think... doesn't Trempy have another candidate to inheritance emprisonned somewhere ? One child of John or something ? Maybe I'm making a mistake, though...
 

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Hugh the man is noble; Hugh the father truly formidable; Hugh the King is the weakest of the triumvirate. He is showing the ability to rationalise any action as for the greater good.

When does he start therapy?

Constance is the stronger of the two, shrewd and able to see the point. I am sure she just relishes the prospect of going to see Eleanor in her current state. Hugh, in seeing that Eleanor's the creature of the King of the Scots, misses the point. She will be a vassal of the Scots, ruling places that are supposed to be the first line of defence against the Scots. The Scots have invaded in support of Hugh, which is not going to do his support amongst the English nobility any good at all.

The rebellion is still to be crushed. Somehow, I cannot see Trempwick folding now. There is always the Dowager Queen Anne, so it is just as well that she is safe in Scotland or she'd be Mrs Trempwick "II".

I see a glimmer of hope for Hugh the King - King Hugh the Good.
 
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Chief Ragusa: One sitting!? Good Lord! I’ve been known to read entire books in one sitting, but that’s in more comfortable conditions than sitting in front of a PC, bothering my eyes with a screen.

I stand by my statement; chivalry was a lie. The parts which were practiced were the practical ones – not killing defeated nobles (ransom!); the arrangements for castles to surrender if not rescued during a siege (saves time, lives and resources on both sides, plus if the castle’s faction haven’t rescued it in reasonable time they are either in trouble or have decided to abandon the garrison), not doing anything too dire to noble women and children (class self-protection at work, guarding its members from the worst so the class continues and remains privileged, similar to ransom. Non-nobles were fair game for whatever, though the ideals of chivalry said otherwise).

Plenty of chivalric rules were bent, broken, smashed into a pulp and jumped up and down on. For example, the chivalrous idea of never attacking someone from behind or an unarmed man. In tournament melees (like the one Fulk fought in) a valid – and respected – tactic was to keep one’s unit off to one side until the others had fought sufficiently to become tired, and then charge in, hit them from behind and take them prisoner before they could react. The treatment of women, even noblewomen, didn’t reflect the chivalric ideal either. To toss out the easy point, if men had followed chivalry then they’d never have considered hitting their wives acceptable. Or forcing them into marriage. There’s an essay’s worth of material on this point alone. The church, which chivalry and religion demanded be respected, was far from safe. Stephan’s son looted a church, as did Henry II’s eldest son, and they were far from the only ones. Defending the weak? Hah! Keeping your word always, no matter what? Hah! Never running away from battle? Hah! Championing right and good? Hah!

If Aveline is daft enough to wander the ramparts during a hail of arrows then she deserves what she gets. :) Otherwise she’s safe enough. If and when the castle falls she’ll be in the keep and obvious enough – a lady in posh clothes. So it will be obvious she’s not fair game. Unless she exhibits a ludicrously daft trait I often encounter in fictional females, and disguises herself as a peasant so she can escape. :rolls her eyes:

Hugh in therapy :D There’s an idea for a brief comedy sequence. Needs to do something about that inferiority complex and his lack of self-confidence too. You’re right about him, and about Constance.

Anne, as the old king’s young and briefly married widow, isn’t much use. Which is good. Think of what her delightful family might do with her otherwise.


Avernite: Lacks in manliness, hehe! Fulk is exceptionally glad of that! As am I; a butch gooseberry is so wrong :shivers:


Coz1: I’ve been wanting to have a play with an unreliable POV for a while; it feels like it would be fun. Or a story with a central character viewed by others but never a POV, so the inside of his/her head remains a mystery to readers. This story isn’t the place; everyone is much too established. I want to have a tinker with a first person POV too.


TiPiou: You’re right, John’s baby daughter is still out there, a refugee with her mother. She’s not terribly useful; she’s very young, the daughter of a condemned traitor. Regencies for children are manageable in the right conditions, regencies for babies …? It would be significantly tougher to get the lords to fall into line behind a baby girl, and one so distant and inauspicious. Plus Trempy has already thrown himself firmly behind Nell, and can’t swap horses now.
 

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I'd read the comments and go back to the update. Around 12 minutes per page and still I missed what was out in the open, whilst hunting for nuggets.

We're agreed that chivalry had a practical side that was largely adhered to out of reasons of self-interest. It is also true that noblemen didn't much care whom they hit wives, sons or daughters. It certainly took time for the tenets you go "hah" at to take root and that was really after the period covered by CK and in the schooling for gentle folk - hence the term gentle. The Code of Chivalry worked after a fashion and ameliorated some behaviour. Had it been enforced as had been intended, it might have created a much better society. I am not sure that something that does not work out as intended, is a lie. A failure perhaps, but not a lie.

If Aveline keeps well away from windows or openings through which a "lucky" arrow may reach, Trempwick's bowman is going to go home disappointed.

Anne might have been better off in Trempwick's hands than her family's had she been important. As the Dowager Queen, she has some use, but none as a minor. Had she been pregnant and delivered of a boy, she'd have been very useful.

Trempwicks's reaction to the latest events will be most interesting to read.
 

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Hugh is a shrewd statesman, I'd say. From the knowledge he has, the Scots have rendered Eleanor a non-threat, even if it somewhat tarnishes his name. Next thing you know, Trempwick is shot down by a poacher or somesuch, and the whole rebellion dies, both it's spiritual and real leader being taken out.

Hugh is winning, and I hadn't expected it at all.
 

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frogbeastegg said:
He pulled her close and, mental fingers crossed, slipped a hand inside her cloak, brushing her nipple with a fingertip. He felt her gather herself to escape, and the relax again, one hand going to the back of his neck to pull him closer, the other shyly rising to copy his every move. Greatly encouraged he continued to explore, relishing the silken feel of her flesh.
Nibbling her earlobe, he ran kisses down her neck, skipping over the mantle at her throat and continuing from her collarbone, holding the folds of wool out of the way with one hand. Stopping only for a brief detour to a breast he travelled down close to her navel before the awkwardness of the various contortions required caused him to drop the cloak and nearly smother himself. Extricating himself he said, “Clothes get in the way.”
“Says the man with the shirt.”

Actually I didn't see any problem with this and I will tell you why. It DID denote awkwardness, but I expected such. Not that the scene was poorly written, but in your own way you were showing us that the whole thing between them was a bit awkward. This IS the first time they make love, hence it is to be expected that it would be awkward. At least that is how I took it when I first read it. I still do, to an extent. Writing love scenes can be very difficult. There are those like Judge who do them very well, and then there are those who do not. You did fine, and I thought it was pretty well done considering it isn't something you are used to doing after all.

Now I have to read the other stuff and catch up again!
 

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I am reminded just how tenuous Hugh's hold (and for that matter Nell's) hold over his kingdom is. His young child could not survive and as he says, Nell is not built for breeding. After he and Nell are gone, the chance that the family name (and family itself) survive is slim at present.
 

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It was a mark of his finding great favour that his queen had asked him ride to with herself and her husband. Now how was that – not at all bad for all of a few hours’ acquaintance. Yes, the bird of importance had landed on his shoulder and it absolutely definitely no way at all was going to shit on him!

Jocelyn deigned to nod at a cluster of locals as he approached the city gates; a little bit of grace and favour from up on high would brighten their humdrum lives. If it made him more noticeable then that was entirely an accident, honest! Currying attention was so callow, damn it, as was showing off. Anyway, the queen waved at the townspeople now and then, and if she could do it then there was nothing at all wrong with him nodding once at a single group.

Leaving Perth behind Jocelyn couldn’t help but feel he was headed home, if slowly. It shouldn’t take all that long to settle things in England enough that attention could be paid to the crown’s lands across the Narrow Sea, and when that time came the logical choice for leader of any campaign out there was, quite simply, obvious. A powerful local man, skilled, loyal, one who’d come to his queen’s side right at the start …

Laughter. Turning to its source Jocelyn saw his queen and whatshisface engaging in yet more of that smiley-smiley lovey-dovey happy-happy mushy garbage, eyes locked, faint stupid bloody smiles pasted in their stupid bloody faces, the world all but forgotten as they teased each other! Again! Had it been possible he’d have clamped his spurs to his horse and left to them their nauseating display, damn it all! No consideration, not a jot between the two of them, flaunting their adoration bloody near constantly – it was enough to make any real man sick. It was impossible now to believe that pair of … of … of soppy-brained, love struck ninnies had managed to hide their feelings for any longer then it took a snowball to melt in hell!

He fixed his attention on the ground passing under his right stirrup. He didn’t care. He didn’t envy them. He only wanted them to stop before he spewed his breakfast. It was going to be a bloody long trip, this. Being made Lord Constable – or whatever you wanted to call it - of the French holdings might not be worth the misery.





In every noble marriage each partner had their own independent household, a flexible organisation capable of growing and shrinking to reflect the needs of the time, providing a fine standard of living regardless of which property the noble resided at or was travelling to. Where husband and wife resided together the households operated side by side, where necessity had them part the two units simply split and went their separate ways as efficiently as only autonomous units could.

Presently their combined households formed what looked like an army. Because it was – men in six liveries rode in this party. Eleanor’s own guard rode centre-front, flanking their lady and her companions. Hugh’s men, Miles’ men, Jocelyn’s men, the soldiers pushed on them by the King of Scots, and Fulk’s own little army – a coup he was quite proud of; FitzGilbert’s men were renowned as one of the best Scottish mercenary companies – placed here and there in a convoluted series of arrangements intended to keep from insulting any of the donors. Some five hundred men under arms total, with another six hundred and seventy owed by the King of Scots. The logistical necessities gave Fulk a thumping migraine each time he caught sight of the multicoloured snake with its spear-point hackles. Keeping this thing from shivering apart in his hands promised to give him another.

They would gather the non-military members of their households as they went, pieced together slowly to get the best balance between competence and trustworthiness as possible. By agreement Fulk’s household would take more people from the North and Scotland while Eleanor’s remained predominantly English; a most diplomatic split. For now the servants loaned by Hugh served them both.

Overhead two banners snapped and danced in the wind, their bearers riding a horse-length behind Fulk and Eleanor. One Eleanor’s crowned gooseberry, green and gold against a scarlet background; the other a hastily made thing of white and rich blue, turned out in a frenzy of work to fit his new status. It was a strange feeling, to see at last his boyhood dream realised and his white wolf rampant as banner and livery badge both. He’d had the right to this months ago on becoming a baron; lack of any real privileges of that status had prevented him, his land and funds locked firmly in the royal fist.

They passed some miles in pleasant conversation. Eleanor was the happiest he’d seen her in a long time, it warmed his heart. Fulk suspected the dour French count riding in near silence would have said it should have scared him, since a good part of her joy came from knowing that her life was in her own hands, as much as ever could be true for someone in her position. Jocelyn didn’t seem to approve of anything which did not benefit him directly, and, strangely for a man who had offered a throne to Eleanor, he held some drearily traditional views about women.

Lunchtime came, and a halt was called. Servants ran about, setting up a tent for privileged to eat in. As the last rope was secured Eleanor went inside to oversee the placing of the portable furniture and food.

Leaving her to it, Fulk took a brisk stroll about the camp, inspecting, making himself visible, lightly asserting himself a time or two to establish his authority in function as well as theory.

As he passed by Jocelyn’s men the count finished his conversation with his squire and strode over.

“I’m not under your authority,” declared Jocelyn, matching his pace to Fulk’s.

“I know.”

“Your own wife declared it so.”

“I know.”

The repeated admission seemed to flummox Jocelyn. “You don’t mind?”

Tamping down the returning resentment with practiced ease, Fulk indicated his army with a raised hand. “Why would I?” And why, when he knew the count’s being under Eleanor’s command would keep him from battle and any chance of gain, tucked safely under mistrustful eyes which used him as a protector so other and better men could march with Fulk.

They travelled several more steps, the count’s thumbs tucked in his belt. “Well, I would,” Jocelyn said suddenly.

“I grew used to being dismissed because of my birth long ago.”

“Don’t you hate it?” Jocelyn stopped, whirling to face Fulk. “And don’t you cringe to find yourself overruled by your own bloody wife? A wife’s place is beneath her husband.”

Fulk battled to keep a straight face; the image that provoked! “I’ll remind her of that later.”

Jocelyn waggled a finger in Fulk’s face. “See that you do. Go wrong at the start and the whole thing goes to a right bloody mess! Assert yourself. Make sure she knows her place, damn it. Then you’ll both be a damned sight happier in the long run.”

“Er …”

The count placed a brotherly arm about Fulk’s shoulders and pulled him into walking again. “Now, listen. We’ve had our disagreements-”

Which was news to Fulk! He raised a hand to adjust his new hat – a brimless thing with a big jaunty feather held on by a small jewelled brooch; very stylish - trying to get the other man to let go without seeming rude.

“But I don’t hold grudges. Bloody stupid, doing that. You’re in need of help, plain to see, and being an upstanding chap and all I’ll give you the benefit of my wisdom.”

“I think I have a good idea-”

“Pah!” Jocelyn’s free hand sliced through the air. “Main thing’s to show her who’s in charge and be consistent in it – never let her behave badly and get away with it. Don’t bribe her either; no gifts to get back in her good favours, no apologies, none of that bloody weakness! If she sulks, don’t give in. Ever.”

Good advice; Fulk would be certain to follow it if he ever felt an urgent need to die. “Eleanor’s not-”

“It does work. Why, my Richildis is as obedient as anything. Meek, gentle, pleasant-tempered … She’d never disagree with me or anything of the damned sort, certainly never argue or shout at me, no bloody way! Absolute pleasure to be around, is my Tildis.”


Somehow Fulk had the impression the man was lying … he said it much too brightly.

“Always be firm on your rights, especially in the bedchamber. Headaches are just an excuse. Course,” Jocelyn’s stride gathered a swagger, “I’ve never had the least problem there; my Tildis is almost too keen on me, if such a thing is possible, but I always keep up and acquit myself very damned well. I won’t worry yourself too much yet; it’s perfectly normal to get off to a bad start and bungle things so she’d rather sleep outside in midwinter than share your bed, but you’ll improve with practice. Probably.”

Through gritted teeth Fulk answered, “We are doing perfectly well, thank you very much.”

“I never said otherwise,” the count soothed.

Twisty – that had been Eleanor’s one word description of this man. “Thank you, but I think I have some idea of married life.”

“Probably, but they’ll all be wrong. You’re not a normal man, and she’s not a normal woman, and this isn’t a normal marriage. She’s a princess of a most noble house and in line for a great future,” he winked at Fulk; it was a wonder he didn’t squish one of the crowns dancing in visionary form in his eyes. “You’re … er, you. You can’t go flinging your weight about, damn it man! You should protect her and help her; that should be your main purpose and aim in life. And she’s been badly mistreated by her father – who’d ever have thought it of such a good king? Disgraceful! Can hardly believe it – so you’ve got to be extra careful with her. She deserves a bloody sight better than some heavy-handed fool ordering her about, hitting her, crushing her down into a submissive wife.” He grunted. “Submissive wives aren’t that wonderful anyway. A real man can take a bit of criticism from his wife, let her help him, treat her as an equal, that sort of thing. That’s what I do with mine.”

Twisty? Outright dizzying! “I know,” interjected Fulk firmly.

They stopped. The friendly arm departed Fulk’s shoulder. “I suppose you’re right. You’re in a right awkward place and you’re the only one who can do anything with it. Got to find the right balance, see. Like me and my Tildis. I only hope you’ll take my advice as intended.”

“Er … thanks.”

Jocelyn beamed. “Happy to help. Anything else, just ask me. I wish every married couple was as happy as my Tildis and I are.” The grin never wavered; it fixed. “Exactly as happy. Only fair. I don’t see why some should get all the luck.”

Fulk decided there and then that this handsome count and his mysterious wife didn’t like each other one bit. That might also explain why he went so peculiar while talking about women. Eleanor had been very clear; she wanted this man kept where they could watch him as much as was practical. “Will you join us for lunch?”

“With pleasure.” They began to walk back to the tent. “Incidentally, where are you going to get your soldiers from? Since most nobility won’t serve you.”





Nightfall once again saw them settled on the King of Scot’s hospitality, at one of his royal manors. Their army camped outside, Fulk and Eleanor settled into the best bedchamber. The king’s parting gift – or insult – had occasion to be useful long before they had anticipated. As the property was not one particularly favoured by Anne’s father he did not maintain a set of furnishings in it. The English servants deployed and did their bit with efficiency which did Hugh credit, unpacking and setting up furniture equally provided by Eleanor’s brother. The only item Eleanor and Fulk could supply themselves was the bed; the King of Scots had gifted them the bed in which they had consummated their marriage, complete with mattress, covers and hangings. Since they needed to keep the sheet they may as well have the rest, he’d said. Pointing out their material poverty, more like. Still, it was a fabulous bed and Fulk wasn’t about to wish it away.

Fulk, being the very soul of chivalry, allowed Eleanor first use of the bathtub. Uncharitably it was much too small for both of them at once.

“Oh.” She stood fiddling with the knot of her girdle, and not to undo it.

Fulk plonked himself down on the bed, easily able to guess what bothered her. “I’ll sit here. I won’t be able to see your back unless you turn it to me.”

“Oh.” Lack of further protest demonstrated the progress he’d made in the last two nights; the fact she dived in before her cast off shift touched the floor showed how far he had left to go. Still, he had a nice view of her upper body … and she was washing very quickly.

He said, “If we keep them with us until we reach the southern-most part of my earldom, I think we will be able to do without Miles’ men. By then we’ll have taken hold of my lands. Trying to keep them with me when I leave to fight will be impossible, and I’d rather not march out with men who want to return to their lord’s son and do their duty by him.” He grimaced. “They’re likely to stab me in the back if I try. Can you persuade them to that much?”

“Certainly I cannot persuade them to do more than work south with us until our paths part. I shall try. It may be best to allow them to go their own way tomorrow.”

“I’d rather have the extra men while gathering up my castles; less likely to encounter trouble then.”

“But we will have the same worry each time we approach those lands until we install loyal castellans.” She held up a dripping hand to forestall his reply. “Oh, enough. I shall do as you wish. I have heard more than enough military talk for the day, thank you very much. Honestly, I did not think two men put together could spend an entire meal discussing recruitment, and occupy themselves with tactics for much of the afternoon.” Scrubbing at her leg, Eleanor grumbled, “I should have known better.”

Fulk spread his hands in a conciliatory gesture. “Sorry, ‘loved. I didn’t realise we were boring you; you’ve been quite curious about such things of late. Jocelyn had some useful points. I wouldn’t worry about his competence.”

“Wonderful.” Eleanor scooped up another handful of soap and started work on her left arm. “A competent general of uncertain loyalty. Precisely what we needed.”

“He swore the oaths well enough.”

“Yes, very true. I would feel better if I did not find the man so …”

“Phoney?” suggested Fulk.

Eleanor made a sound of agreement, and began to rinse her upper body.

“I think he lies a lot. About himself. He cornered me and tried to give me some advice; he contradicted himself when describing his wife, and I got the impression they don’t get along. He says otherwise, rather too often.”

“Sometimes I wonder if he has a brain. Others I fear he is dangerously sharp.” Eleanor wrapped herself in her towel as she stepped from the tub. “Your turn,” she informed Fulk, shooing him off the bed so she could sit on the spot he had warmed.

“You’ll made a damp patch,” he grumbled.

“On the foot of the outermost blanket.” She flapped a hand at him. “Go on! Before the water goes cold.”

Fulk grinned salaciously. “Ah, but then you’d charitably offer to warm me up after I’d washed.”

“No I would not. I do not want you leeching my heat when you are chilled through your own negligence.” She sniffed. “Far better that you suffer, learn your lesson, and not let it happen again.”

“Dearling, that would be doubly cruel. I’d then catch a chill. Sneezing knights aren’t impressive. Besides, you’d enjoy warming me up.”

Eleanor lifted her chin. “I am not going to bed with you for mercenary reasons, thank you very much. Some things are not about helping you evade the consequences of your own stupidity.”

“Dearling, there’s more than one reason for wanting a princess in my bed,” said Fulk patiently. “It’s well known that a wife’s very good for warming cold feet on. There’s nothing mercenary about my curling up close to you to warm myself.”

“Six foot of chilled knight takes a lot of heat to warm. I’d be frozen by the time you grew cosy. That is not chivalrous. Now get in that bath!”

Fulk tossed his hat down on the bed with a studied air of disgust. “Earl of Alnwick and her husband, and still she treats me like a common man at arms. Orders, more orders, sarcasm, insults, bah!” Being a dignified, brave knight Fulk undressed at a normal rate with nary the least thought of diving for cover. At every opportunity – and he made sure there were many – he watched Eleanor drying herself. A lower leg here, a peek of breast there, the odd hint of a hip … wonderful. By the time he reached shirt and hose he had slowed down to better watch, his interest in the bath gone.

She watched him in return, shy, yes, but open about it where she hadn’t been before.

When he’d shed his last layers Fulk began to strike silly poses, showing off his muscles. Eleanor began to laugh.

Fulk froze, clenched fists up near his ears. “Yes?” he enquired with stilted dignity.

“I was just thinking ... I wonder if it is possible …?” She caught up his hat, and hung it so it acted as a tolerable imitation of Adam’s fig-leaf, the long feather sticking out in obscene imitation of its improvised hat stand. She fell back onto the bed laughing helplessly.

Fulk shoulders slumped, and his expression became one of tolerant exasperation. “Irreverent creature!”

“Sorry,” she said, dabbing at her eyes. Another look, and she started giggling again.

Fulk shifted the hat to its correct location. Painstakingly he made certain it sat just so. Then with his best fearsome growl he lunged towards the bed. Eleanor rolled across the mattress in the opposite direction, towel falling into disarray; she nearly made it to her feet before he caught her. Holding her tight to his body he twisted over, pulling her back into the middle of the bed with himself propped on one elbow at her side. Damn, she was beautiful with her hair in disarray all over the pillows, and that wicked little smile of hers ...

Eleanor threw his hat across the room, buried her hands in his hair and pulled his face down to hers.







Tsk, tsk, tsk, that pair! Incidentally, frogs hate hats. Completely detest them; any sort on anyone for any purpose.

So passes another week with just one day off, that day mostly spent researching and ordering a new video card. My current one is dying; it never was the same after that power surge melted most of my PC a year and a bit ago. My cause was not helped by my trapping a finger in a big, heavy filing cabinet. Oh, the agony! And I'm a two-fingered typist! It still throbs. The next few weeks should be more promising for writing.

Chief Ragusa: Chivalry is part ideal, part fairytale. I don’t believe in fairies, and ideals must be adhered to by their followers to be valid. Adhered to in ways and for reasons other than self-interest, or it’s just selfishness. :shrugs: It’s a frog thing.

Avernite: That’s the way pre-modern history usually works. Chains of smaller, separate events building up to an overall effect, often seemingly unimportant events, or lesser details in bigger ones, proving to be the most influential in the end … save for accidents, misunderstands and mistakes. It’s very rarely decisive big battles which decide the fate of the cause, fought because complex and successful plans have led there. There’ll be no mysterious farm boys with crown-shaped birthmarks taking up their magical sword and Setting Forth to Achieve Their Destiny in my story :D ;)

Amric: Hmmm, thanks for that. Gave me some thought :) I had never considered that a slight feeling of awkwardness might fit the scene; I’d thought that it should be there in the atmosphere without appearing to my frog-sense, but if certain emotional scenes get to me then perhaps this one does too …? Maybe I was wrong … in which case the main source of frog-bother is in the wording, and something a few tweaks should fix. I shall have to have a play with it in a month or so, and see what happens.

BTW, I’m reading your Byzantine’s Khan. Very good so far, I like young Leonides, as he’s now known. Can't wait to see what he grows up into. I’m trying to finish the whole thing before I post. It’s going to take a while to catch up :(

Coz1: The advantage to Hugh is that he should be able to provide more than one child … through he’s limited to the rate of one a year, and less than that if he’s any consideration for poor Constance’s health and likelihood of surviving the subsequent pregnancies. The idea of Hugh as a father is scary; the idea of him having multiple children is terrifying! I have these visions of him being all Hughish at them, telling babies it’s not dignified to drool … :wacko: Mind you, the ones of him being run ragged by a bunch of young children are damned funny :D

And you're right, it is nice to see Nell and Fulk out in the open, so to speak.
 

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Poor Jocelyn ses nothing incongruous in supporting Eleanor as Queen and expecting Richtildis to lie down and roll over and perform other tricks to order. He seems to want to treat his wife as an equal, yet fears he'll be thought "unmanly".

If Fulk and Nell carry on as they are, you are going to be writing about one pregnant gooseberry!

With Miles dead, do Hugh's spies now report to Eleanor?
 

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I seriously expect Hugh to be much better as a father than as a King, especially as he'll be, probably, more likely to listen to his wife on that matter. The only problem is indeed him being too serious, maybe.

And Joc is a lieing crook, but he's fun too :)
 

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That update was a very nice showcase for Jocy. Both his POV and his discussion with Fulk were priceless. I loved his imaginings of his marriage to Fulk. If only Tildis could hear it. :rofl:

As for Nell and Fulk, they certainly are getting...comfortable. A nice bath-time scene showing them grow closer and more at ease in their intimacy.
 

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Joc's a total nutcase, i think. hehe. as Fulk said [or thought. or whatever] "downright dizzying" i am of the oppinion that he belives everything he says, uterly contradictory as it may be :D

keep up the good work, Froggy. i don't always remember to reply, but i read every update within 24 hours of it going up, if i have access to my comp. bookmarks and e-mail updates are great things.

i'd be interested to see what's going on in the rest of the country somewhere along the way.

ummm. yeah. great work :)
 

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Incognitia said:
The idea of Jocelyn believing everything he says is possibly more frightening than anything else in the story so far...


well, if you go back and read the bits where we get to see him thinking, drunken or otherwise, it's not that far fetched :)
 

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The door closed behind Jocelyn with a very final click. His fingers slackened, letting his saddlebags drop to the ground. “Bugger.” Here he was, all favoured and important and so on, and he’d been turfed out of his room. “Bugger!” he repeated, this time with plenty of feeling – and cautious softness. Other than the queen and her whatsit he’d been the only one to get a private room in this poxy little dump of a damned royal manor, and now he’d lost it. Why? Because the wretched daughter of the wretched owner of this wretched God-damned pile had to turn up, that’s why!

Picking his belongings back up Jocelyn stormed off – quietly! – to find somewhere to settle down. The main hall would have been the usual place; bedding down there would show his apparent drop in standing to too bloody many people for comfort.

As he travelled the corridors muttering to himself, he passed the chapel. That would do. God wouldn’t mind sharing with someone He favoured so much, surely? Whatever anyone said, Jocelyn knew he didn’t snore.

Placing his bags next to the wall near the back, Jocelyn genuflected to the altar. “Uh … You don’t mind, do you?” Nothing happened. Great! That was all settled then.

Settling himself on a bench near a candle, Jocelyn looked about furtively. He was definitely alone. He pulled a sheet of low grade parchment, an inkhorn and a quill from his bags, spread the sheet out at his side and resumed his letter where he’d left off.

He twizzled the quill in his fingers, shifted his posture a few times, hummed for a bit, drummed his fingers, shifted some more and … nothing. The sullen blankness of the parchment taunted him.

What the hell was he playing at anyway, fiddling about like this?! Sending some bloody letter to that damned miserable cow. Huh. Slaving away like a clerk, cramping his fingers, straining his eyes, hunching his back and dirtying his hands with ink – menial labour, damn it, not for the likes of him! She wouldn’t appreciate it, not one bit. Probably prefer to hear nothing and hope he was dead. That was it – he was writing to her so she would know he wasn’t dead, to bust her hope and make her miserable. Exactly what she deserved for having such wicked wishes.

Aiming his quill with new resolve, Jocelyn wracked his brains for something to start off with. It needed to be assertive; this wasn’t some soppy effort at comfort, or an apology, or concern or any bloody soft damned nonsense, by the wings of Gabriel!

The quill stutter-screeched as he wrote, Deer Richildis. No! Her scrubbed that out. Too damned kindly. To my wyf Yeah, that would do … but wasn’t there a usual fancy poncy traditional opening which was practically obligatory for any literate letter writer to start with? There was, he had this nasty feeling. Some crap about greetings to your best beloved wife, and all that guff. What was it? She’d mock him if he didn’t get it all exactly right, he knew it. “Sod it,” he muttered. Some people might not mind a pack of lies like that being scrawled in their name; he did, very much. He didn’t hope she was well, and he didn’t miss her, and he didn’t care at all, and if she didn’t like it then he’d thump her when she complained.

I am in Ingland. Al gos wel. I hav sworn my oths. Now I traval with princes Elaynor.

Jocelyn gnawed the end of the quill; should he go into more detail? A bit, maybe. He didn’t want the infuriating woman getting all la-de-da and whittering on at him for not saying much supposedly because he struggled to write anything at all, which plainly wasn’t the case. He was a very accomplished letter writer.

She is marid now to some niyt, and I waz at the wedding. He is sed to be a gud fyter, and seems alright. What he is no one noes. Some bastad, sertanly. But whoz? The Scotz king says he is a de la Bec, important and the last of that house. Others say he is just the son of a pezant and a miner noble. He needs help to get on with his new lyf and wyf and all becoze he is preeveously very unimportant, and he looks on me as a natral frend. I thynk he will turn out alright in the end, maybe. The princes is wat her father sed and mor and very in luv with her niyt. They remind me of one of Mahaut’s storees almost, but real. I hope they wil not bee as dum as those storees or there wil be truble. I saw prinse Hyu as wel. But not much, onlee a part our or so. He was alright. I saw no lykenes to the old kyng. Witch may be gud, sinse the old kyng is reveeled to hav beyn right crul and by no meens decent like we all beeleeved. It was the talk of the weding, the scars al ovr Elaynor witch wur his doing, and I feer the beding cerymoany was crul too becuz everyone saw them and there was much mokry. I didn’t go to the cerymoany to luk, being a gud man who dos not luk at naked wimin without invite, so I didn’t see the scars myself but it is comon talk.

Pause.

I mis the children. I hope they are wel. Tel Thierry I sayd he must be good and lurn his lesons and look after the yunger ones like a good niyt. Tel Mahaut that I wil tel her abot the princes when I get home. Giv Jean a kis four me.

The quill crunched between his teeth. Jocelyn spat fragments onto the floor; remembering where he was he crossed himself. “Sorry, sorry!”

Before he could think better of it he scribbled, I got yu a gyft. I mis yu. Almost immediately he crossed the words out again, pressing so hard the nib of the quill split. Flinging the useless implement aside he cursed, “Buggering hell! Accursed bloody thing!”

He drew a spare quill from his pack, dipped it in the ink and resumed staring at the page.

I am sor- He scrubbed that out.

It wood be nise if yu wer here. No, too bloody soppy. Anyway, what the devil was he doing writing all this crap anyway? He wasn’t apologising, he wasn’t trying to get back in her good favours, he didn’t miss her, and he sure as saints didn’t fart wasn’t trying to please her with this ordeal by feather! He hadn’t blown their little truce, she had. So she should be the one grovelling to him, begging his forgiveness for her outburst and for daring to complain about Serlova. It was her fault. It was. If Richildis had been there with him he’d have tried her first, and she’d have refused him yet again anyway, and besides it wouldn’t have been gentlemanly to turn down Serlova. Practically charity, comforting the poor widow like that. He had nothing to make up to her, nothing.

Tayk care of my lands. If anything hapns to them I wil be riyt angry. Yes, that was more like it.

He signed his name at the bottom and laboured to review his work.





Fulk had been hearing the muffled chaos of a new arrival at the manor for a while now. At his side Eleanor slept peacefully on, for which he was glad. As of the last couple of nights she hadn’t been spending half the night worrying away; the restoration of decent hours of sleep had already eased the stress lines which had been threatening to etch themselves permanently into her face, the dark smudges under her eyes were fading.

Someone had arrived at the manor. To get through the army camped outside the walls they must be very important; to cause such bustle they must be staying. Which made Fulk wonder, who was it? The possibility it may be Malcolm fetched Fulk out of bed and set him to dressing quietly in the dim light of the night candle. He had no wish to be caught any more unprepared than he already had been.

With a final glance back at his sleeping wife Fulk moved to the door. Midway across the room his foot came down on something soft. Fulk retrieved his much abused hat and dusted it off, fortunately no damage had been done.

The manor had nearly settled down for the night, rooms and corridors filled with pallets and would-be sleepers and only a few still up and about.

Outside the main hall Fulk encountered a man in royal Scottish livery, a badge of a dove on his sleeve. Anne, the late arrival was Anne. Hastening after the man, Fulk enquired, “What are you doing here?”

The man shrugged. “You think her royal mightiness tells the likes of me anything? Balls to that.”

There appeared to be some mistake as to Fulk’s status; it wouldn’t be kind to inform the man of his mistake, so he let it be and played the simple man at arms. “But it is just the princess? Not her brother?”

“Yes, just her, and don’t go wishing that damned demon-spawn on me neither.”

Thanking the soldier, Fulk headed back to his own rooms. Eleanor could deal with Anne. His trencher had enough problems without the addition of another princess.

Passing the chapel on this different route back, Fulk noticed that someone was inside, definitely not praying. He slowed his pace; the man hunched over, a quill in his hand. Writing, in the chapel? Suspicious. Fulk went in.

The man’s head came up at the sound of boots on the tiles; Jocelyn. He snatched his work up and rolled it into a tube.

At the same time they both asked, “What are you doing here?”

“I’d come to see who had arrived.” Fulk looked pointedly at the letter the other man held in his left hand.

“The Scottish princess took my room. I wanted some peace to,” Jocelyn spoke the next words as though they burned his tongue, “write to my wife.”

“Really?”

“Yes.” Jocelyn squared his shoulders. “Are you suggesting I’m illiterate or that I have no reason to, or something?”

“I’m wondering why you didn’t dictate to your clerk.”

“I didn’t want to. You have a problem with that? It’s my bloody letter.”

Fulk looped his thumb through his belt in a casual gesture which placed his right hand closer to the hilt of his dagger. This stank; a nobleman engaging in a menial task in such a strange location, becoming defensive, aggressive almost, when questioned. Could he be a spy? “I write my own letters,” he said evenly. Few of good station had reason to dirty their hands with the tedious task of writing, in the same way they had no reason to turn their hand to the plough or smith’s hammer.

“Well there you are then.” Jocelyn turned his shoulder to Fulk, plainly wanting him to leave.

Fulk refused to take the hint. “Why here?”

“Because it’s quiet.”

“So is the hall, now.”

“I didn’t want to go to the hall.” Jocelyn came to his feet, his own hand hovering near his dagger’s hilt. “Why all these questions? Can’t a man write to his bloody wife? Is that a crime?”

“I have a duty-”

“To pry? To scut about poking your nose in other’s affairs?” Jocelyn spat on the floor, winced and crossed himself, which looked odd as at the same time he snarled, “Bet that’s how you broke the bloody thing – someone slammed their door in your spying face.”

“To protect my wife,” Fulk finished calmly. “There have been enough attempts on her. She’s been betrayed by those close to her more than once.”

Jocelyn’s fist crushed his letter. “You think I’m a traitor?” He flung the message on the floor at Fulk’s feet. “Read it then. Damn you!”

Fulk scooted the squashed tube along the floor until he could stoop to pick it up without exposing himself to a quick attack by the other man. As he’d expected the handwriting was awful, barely legible and from an unpractised hand. It was the spelling which betrayed Jocelyn; a literate man would know the correct spellings. That was the sole incriminating thing, and it explained a lot. Perhaps there was some love between the count and his mysterious wife after all, which made Fulk wonder why it was so furtive, so hidden in lies.

Fulk rolled the message back up and offered it to the Frenchman. By way of apology he said, “I think she’ll appreciate your effort.”

Jocelyn snatched back his work. “You do?” he asked suspiciously.

“Yes, and quite a bit.”

The set of Jocelyn’s face eased, he glanced down at the letter as if he couldn’t believe it had any worth. He scratched his cheek, fingers feeling over his cropped beard. “From what I hear you’ve a right to be wary.”

“Unfortunately, I do.”

“I’ve sworn myself to her, more I swore on the souls of my family and on a relic. Like she required.”

Fulk nodded, once. “You did.” This man had put care into learning the correct spellings for his wife and children’s names. He turned to leave. “Goodnight.”





Alone again, Jocelyn picked up his quill and laboured to add one final line. I hope yu ar wel.



Chief Ragusa: View it from the right angle and it becomes one of those infinity loop Celtic knot designs. Jocelyn won’t treat his wife as an equal because it would be unmanly; he has a complex about being unmanly because his sense of masculinity has been undermined by his failed relationship with Richildis; his relationship with Richildis fails in large part because of the way he treats her. Round and round it goes.

Pregnant gooseberries? Maybe, maybe not. Modern statistics say that 80 out of 100 women will get pregnant in a year without any contraception, and Nell’s drinking there’s a primitive form of the pill. Assuming they are both fertile. Ooh, the suspense! The mystery! Will we hear the patter of tiny feet? Will Nell survive the experience? Will Fulk go prematurely bald from stress? Find out in next week’s exciting episode! (or not) :p

Avernite: Well, I suppose there’s nothing overly wrong with having a bunch of very mature royal children wandering about England. Heaven knows, after this current generation the place could probably use the quiet! :D

Coz1: Oh now that’s cruel! If Richildis had heard that Jocelyn would have been in trouble again! :D

Prussian_King: A couple of sittings!? It seems this forum is filled with hardened souls with eyes of steel and chairs a sight more comfy than mine! :D Thanks.

Chargone: I think I have it easier. I check every day to see if there are any comments, and because there are more readers than frogs there’s a higher likelihood that there will be some. Hehe, if your addiction gets really bad you’ll find yourself checking the forum several times a day, just in case … :D ;)

Incognitia: Yup, it’s frightening. All the more so because it is mostly true. Very adept liar and self deluder, is Jocelyn. The belief crumbles when he’s lying about something he knows very deeply to be wrong. That’s why, for example, his above protests that the Serlova incident was Richildis’ fault doesn’t ring true. He knows deep down and very well that it was his own fault.