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Norway seems to be doing very well without your leadership, King Yngvar! I think you may be playing favourites just a wee little bit. ;)

Very nice AAR, so far. I like the implementation of dialogue and descriptory passages in your AARs. Shame about your bugs, just hope you can repeat your successes. :(
 
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That's really too bad. I hate computer issues! And you had such a good start. Hope to see another go once it's fixed. In the meantime, drink you a nice horn of mean and find some nice wimen to while away the time. ;)
 
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Don't worry, all I had to do was to put back the "mes_norway" file with all the events that did not work. Though I get alot of popups before the game starts that I have to ignore, I still managed to play the game, and the savefile worked :)

I will begin to write an update of the years between 1163 and 1169 now...

Might want "palette/arrow.gif" for Mongol scenario, don't know what it is, but the file is missing. My msn is: yngvarv@hotmail.com if someone would be so kind to send me a file, contact me when I'm online and send through msn...

Anyway, the AAR is back on. Was just too frustrated to do anything about it yesterday, went straight to the pub with a friend just to be able to relax, now I have a bad headache :wacko:
 
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The Irish wars and the expansion of liberty

In 1163, Iceland had greatly expanded its power by conquering provinces in the Baltic and Ireland. However, not everyone was too happy about their conquests and another war in Ireland, this time against Connacht, would not be looked upon brightly. Iceland's alliance with the so called evil barbarian of Europe at that time, Norway, did not make them very popular, nor did their way of governing, which was seen as a threat. In Norway, the civil war blussed up again after Håkon Herdabrei had been dethroned by Magnus Erlingsson and his father Erling Skakke, a former general of King Inge. They had ceased power, but had to fight rebels for over a year, after that however, Norway was free of inner troubbles and ready to defend themselves against the Holy Roman alliance.

In April, 1166, the Allthing decided that it was time to declare war on Connacht, if Ireland was to be united as a free land under the government of the people of Iceland, Connacht was to be conquered first, as the Scots held Meath. Connacht were not allied to anyone, but after the declaration of war, the governor of Ireland, Thorstein or Borgr and his army were forced to reatreat after an overwhelming attack by the Irish against Ulster. They retreated into enemy land, where they found no garrison. Connacht was taken and the army marched with new spirit back to Ulster and defeated the Irish in a great battle. The people of Connacht was liberated, another step towards Irish freedom was taken.

The war with the Holy Roman alliance raged on, combined forces from the emperor, Saxonia and smaller German states depending on the emperor, invade Jylland and captured it from Norway. However, when they tried to invade the Scandinavian peninsuela, they were beaten off at sea by the superior Norwegian longships before they even managed to land. Therefore, the Italians decided to attack the Icelandic province of Ingermannland, thinking of the Icelanders as a less worthy enemy. Their plan was to land in Ingermannland with 3,000 forces, defeat the army there and ride into unfortified Finland, forcing the Norwegians to sign a humiliating peace. The outcome of the war was in the hands of Thorvardr inn Raudi, the minister of war and the governor of Ingermannland. Thorvardr was an experienced commander, he had led the Icelandic armies into victory in Ulster, he had defeated the Novgorians in several battles and even helped King Inge in the siege of Novgorod. His men were veterans of war and they were well prepared for any attacks, though they had not expected a fleet coming all the way from Italy.
The battle was hard and longlasting, but the Icelanders gained the day, driving the Italians out of Ingermannland. The Italian fleet saw that it was no chance for the army to survive, so they decided to reatreat and leave the men behind. Thorvardr ordered the fleet stationed in Finland's ports to sail out and meet the Italian fleet. In the middle of the Baltic sea a hard battle was fought between sixty snekkjar longships (6 galleys) and thirty Italian war vessels (3 warships). The Icelandic fleet won in the end, making the Italians suffer a humiliating defeat. One man was left alive among the Italians, to ride back to Italy and tell the story of the humiliating defeat. However, he would return not to see a united Italy, but a Italy divided. The victory was celebrated on the Allthing when the news arrived. Thorvardr had become a popular man in Iceland, though he would not see his popularity in years, since he had left home over a decade ago.

During the defence against Italy, things were stirring up in the west as Munster had declared war upon the free people of Iceland. The king of Munster was probably afraid that such freedom and liberty that Ulster and Connacht were experiencing would finally come to Munster. He was right, that had always been in the mind of the Allthing, ever since Jon Loftsson was the law-speaker. The war went bad in the beginning, armies of Munster rushed into Connacht in August and captured the town there without much resistance. Thorstein was eager to meet them in battle and attacked before any re-inforcements had arrived from Iceland. He was defeated and had to retreat to Ulster. Another attack was made in october, the re-inforcements had still not arrived. Thorstein or Borgr raised the wartaxes and recruited 2,000 Irish natives before attacking Connacht once more. He was again defeated. It was time to wait, for the re-inforcements from the homeland to arrive.

It is recorded in a letter from Thorstein or Borgr to Thorvardr inn Raudi of his actions in Ireland:

"Why am I always defeated? I suffered defeat in my first battle against Connacht, then I suffer defeat again now, over and over. Why? Why can't I just win? Has God allmighty abandoned me? Is this my faith, to die in the hands of Irish savages, remembered as a defeatist and a bad leader?"

The responce from Thorvardr was rather short...

"Stop wining, or you would wish it the Irish would have captured you before I arrived!"

Thorstein waited not a second after the re-inforcements from Iceland had arrived before he marched into Connacht with an army of 7,000 men and new spirit, defeating the Irish wherever he went. When the Irish in Munster heard the news of their king's defeat after defeat, they revolted against him and made him a puppet king. Thorstein was in Leinster at the moment and had captured the province from Munster, when he heard the new government was willing to make peace, he accepted it, gaining the provice of Leinster. A new step had been taken towards the liberation of Ireland.

The following years would be rather peacefull, though Iceland was still at war with the Holy Roman alliance. Trade was expanded and the damages caused by the war was taken care of. Royalist revolts in Ireland was defeated and stability restored to the Lawdom of Iceland after a small revolt on the island itself against the governing of Snorri Hunbogasson and the heavy war taxation, the rebels were pardoned and the people were pleased, for a while at least, by this as Snorri, on the Allthing meeting in august 1169, promised not to raise more wartaxes as long as the people elected for him in the next election. However, his reign was not looked upon as the brightest by most of the people and there was many who had plans to vote for Hvamm-Sturla Thordarsson (the father of Snorri Sturlasson) at the next election, his plans for the future was to lighten the taxes, become more innovative and open to thinkers and new ideas and that the army becomes as professional as possible.
 

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I'll follow this with interest. scripted some of the random events for Iceland.
 

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Good to hear of a successful conclusion to the war. So, where are you heading next?
 

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Excellent - glad you got it fixed. Great victory against the Italians, though what they were doing all the way up there is beyond me. :D
 

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Well done. Taking Ingermannland was quite a surprise! Holding on to it will be a bigger surprise. :D Good luck in your furture conquests.

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The liberation of Ireland

What a long war it was, the war between the Norwegian-Icelandic alliance and the Holy Roman Alliance. People in Iceland could not remember when it had started, and even less, cared if it was to end or not. Any peace could not be made with the Germans as the common idea in Europe at the time was that the Icelanders were wild savages with dangerous ideas that could dethrone kings and create chaos and disorder.
Fighting the Icelanders was seen as noble in Europe and therefore the Germans found that continuing their war with Iceland was a good thing.
The Icelandic engagement in the war was to the minimum, restricted to minor naval actions in the Skagerakk and the Baltic Sea. What was more important to the Allthing was the wars in Ireland and the final incorporation of Greenland into Iceland. The native Inuits that had driven out the settlers and occupied the lands of Eirik the Red for quite a while were driven out when the new law-speaker, Hvamm-Sturla Thordarsson landed in Eiriksfjord with 3,000 men to drive out the Scraelings.

In 1170, Scotland became vassals of England, whom they had been allied with for some time. Sturla did not look too brightly on this, an England that powerfull, with claims on Ireland could cause some troubble in the future.
And so they did, though it was not directly England who declared war, but rather their vassals in Scotland. On the 11th of November 1171, Scotland declared war upon the free people of Iceland in an attempt to hault the liberation of Ireland and prevent the spread of freedom to Christian Europe.
And that was how the war that lasted nearly four years started. A war that consisted of many English and Scottish invasions and many great naval battles.

A name to remember from the war is certainly Thorstein or Borgr who in the battle of Connacht against the English and the Scots in december 1172, turned the tide of the war by imposing a great defeat upon the invaders, driving them back to the shores, defeating them in a last great battle in Leinster before moving up to Meath to take care of the Scottish garrison there. The entire nation were in deep sorrow when Thorstein died during the siege of Dublin, where he was hit by an arrow. Nevertheless, victory was assured. The minister of war, Thorvardr inn Raudi, suggested to Allthingi that they declared Thorstein a national hero, and so it was, Thorstein were to be the first declared hero in a list of many to come.

Though it is right that Thorstein should have much of the honor of this victory, one must not forget the heroes of the sea, Sigurd Svalbardrfundni, the great adventurer who explored the coasts of Greenland and the northern seas, finding Svalbard and the end of the world, which is marked by endless ice. Sigurd did a great job commanding the longboats into battle as well, with the help of his second in command, Thorarin Ormthungi, he defeated many combined Scottish and English fleets.

The peace results of the war came first in late 1173 after the English fleet had been defeated in the Irish Sea. The Englishmen sued for peace, and so they got, after paying 50,000 sterling. The peace with the Scots would have to wait, though Dublin was taken in january 1174, the stubborn Scots would not cede the provinces until after two more of their landing armies were defeated and their navy totally annihilated. The same day as peace was made with Scotland on the 16th of October, war was declared on Munster. It was a short war, The Irish invaded Connacht, but as soon as they saw their capitol was captured they returned to Munster. It was a hard battle, fought between over 8,000 Icelanders and 6,000 Irish of Munster. The Icelanders gained the day in the end, forcing the Munster army to retreat to Connacht. They were soon followed, and slaughtered on the fields of Connacht in one last bloody battle that finally unified the island under the free Icelandic rule. The people of Ireland was finally free, and were now given the right to come to Allthingi.

It was clearly that it would not end with Ireland, that the free and brave Icelanders would stop at that. As Hvamm-Sturla said in the Allthing meeting on the 18th of January 1175, exactly one week after the liberation of Munster. "Ireland is just a single step in a very long walk.".
 

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Well done for you and the Irish, now that they are free. Go Iceland, go!
 

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Those Icelanders are doing very well for themselves. If the English aren't careful, they may find themselves "free" soon as well.
 

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congratulations on unifying ireland.

I still think your next target ought to be the Mediterranean islands.
 

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Doing real good. Are you having to finance all these wars with loans? I know you mentioned giving the Norwiegans 500d, did you give yourself a little boost in the beginning? I think I'll have to give Iceland a shot. I think the MES rocks and hope more people write AAR's around it.
 
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Thanks for reading, the world will soon be covered by the yellow color of freedom (hopefully) :D

I forgot to give Iceland a economical boost before starting this scenario (except placing 4 starting merchants at Bjørgvin trade center and making the population of Iceland into 3,000). I did one thing though, that you might concider cheating, giving Iceland at least 50 leaders and better monarchs that the one that they had - "Allthingi" (at least some of them are better). The wartax have been constantly used (causing many revolts), the investments in technology (except some naval and stability) are poor, most of the money go to treasury (causing 20% inflation by 1175!). I have also had one bankruptcy in the early 1160's because I took too many loans, as a react to this, I stoped taking loans and started living on trade and indemnities. I have gotten 3 indemnities the last 5 years, 175d from England (I think I said 50, but I checked the history log and it was 175), 50d from Scotland and 25d from Este (defeating three navies in Skagerakk). Indemnities have given me at least the same amount of money as all the other income, but of course, since I am in constant wars, most of the money go to troops anyway.

Does anyone have some advise to give me on this? I have not started the game from 1175 yet, will probably wait till tomorrow since I got the sled/snowmobile/snowscooter-certificate yesterday, will probably be driving alot today. Any suggestions on how to improve the economy would be nice, when the treasury slider is at 80% and the income is only 1d each month, there is really something wrong...
 

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I couldn't really advise about economics in MES. It seems like I'm always broke when I play. I wonder if every country has such a hard with money in this scenario. Maybe invade Gotland, it gives you a CoT. :confused:
 

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You’ve had a Bankruptcy already? In the states we have a saying:

"You’re between a rock and a hard place." :D

The problem with taking out even a single loan with a poor country is that you can rarely pay it off. So a bankruptcy is guaranteed to happen.

What’s your inflation and BB?

I’ve only played one small country in the Mongolian Scenario and that was as the Kingdom of Jerusalem. I went bankrupt in my first game and it went down hill from there. In my second game with the KoJ I noticed that I had a gold producing province near me which, I grabbed and that helped my income. There aren’t any around you so the next best thing is as klink wrote looking for a COT to grab. But first you need to get into an alliance that can help you get that COT. If your BB is too high its going to be tough getting good enough relations to succeed in this since you don’t have enough money for gifts.

The paradox is that you’re losing the battle with inflation by doing nothing but if you do something you could trigger even more inflation. :(

You have certainly chosen a challenging country to play King Yngvar but I still think you can succeed. :)

Do you still have Ingermannland?

Joe
 
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It is a challenging country indeed, why did I not think of Gotland? Visby is still the CoT for Gotland, some of the Swedish east coast and much of the Baltic. I don't think they are in any alliance for the moment so, and their army has been defeated by rebels whom are about to make the government fall.

Yes, I still have Ingermannland.

My inflation is around 20% and my BB has the same number :wacko: