The limitations on vassal types seems arbitrary

[HybridRifter]

I play Crusader Kings II almost as much as I play EU IV, and because of that it makes me ask the question: Why cant I have a merchant republic and/or a theocracy as a vassal in EU IV? They are possible in CK II (which goes past 1444). Was there some sudden mandate that happened I don't know about that forbade republics and theocracies from being under crown control?

 

[Twoflower]

I am not sure what you're on about. It is possible to vassalize theocracies and merchant republics in EU4, both by force and diplomatically.

 

[mhaell42]

Don't they get malus to diplo accept ? But by force you can vassalize anyone small enough.

 

[ChloePech]

Whatchya on about mate? You can vassalize anything, even the pope (not the best idea, mind you)

 

[qwertzuiop]

Whatchya on about mate? You can vassalize anything, even the pope (not the best idea, mind you)

Except for free cities.

 

[ShoGuL]

Except for free cities.

Technically, Free Cities are already vassals of the Emperor

 

[Incompetent]

I think what the OP is trying to say is that when you release a dead nation as a vassal, they're generally given your government (with special rules if you have a unique government type, but in any case, their government is determined by your current government). It would be nice if either a) released nations came back with their historical government type, or b) you had some control over their government (within reason).

 

[SolSys]

I think what the OP is trying to say is that when you release a dead nation as a vassal, they're generally given your government (with special rules if you have a unique government type, but in any case, their government is determined by your current government). It would be nice if either a) released nations came back with their historical government type, or b) you had some control over their government (within reason).

That's reading way too much in-between the lines.
If that is indeed what the OP meant, then that is one roundabout way to say it.

 

[Nostalgium]

That's reading way too much in-between the lines.
If that is indeed what the OP meant, then that is one roundabout way to say it.

And that aside, vassals in EU4 and vassals in CK2 are nowhere near the same. A Merchant Republic or Bishopric vassal in CK2 would, in EU4 terms, be much closer to assigning land to the Burghers or Clergy estates.

 

[Twoflower]

I think what the OP is trying to say is that when you release a dead nation as a vassal, they're generally given your government (with special rules if you have a unique government type, but in any case, their government is determined by your current government). It would be nice if either a) released nations came back with their historical government type, or b) you had some control over their government (within reason).

Yes, that would be great. It is very immersion-breaking (and generally silly) that you cannot release annexed Imperial cities and bishoprics as cities/bishoprics while playing as the Emperor (or any other country that cares about preserving the HRE), and generally there are many cases when a country's ideas synergize a lot better with being a republic or a theocracy than a duchy.

 

[ChloePech]

You should be able to do exactly that if you use "return provence" instead of release vassal.

 

[Swami]

Its not uncommon for republic to help despotic monarchies in power, at least in this timeline we support dictators all over the place

 

[Incompetent]

That's reading way too much in-between the lines.
If that is indeed what the OP meant, then that is one roundabout way to say it.

I'm a firm believer in the principle of charity when it comes to internet forum discussions (unless it's an obvious troll). Anything else quickly descends into a flame war.

And that aside, vassals in EU4 and vassals in CK2 are nowhere near the same. A Merchant Republic or Bishopric vassal in CK2 would, in EU4 terms, be much closer to assigning land to the Burghers or Clergy estates.

Not really: Estates in EU4 are just numbers, with no AI of their own. Vassal management in CK2 is vastly more complicated (not surprisingly, given that the game is basically Feudalism Simulator).

I'd say rather that vassals in EU4 are a simplified, optional version of vassals in CK2. The simplification of their government types when you release them is understandable, but not ideal.

 

[Twoflower]

I'm a firm believer in the principle of charity when it comes to internet forum discussions (unless it's an obvious troll). Anything else quickly descends into a flame war.

And applying a charitable interpretation in order to start a meaningful discussion on something that could be improved in the game is certainly preferable to just putting the OP down for a perceived "silly"/unnecessary question.