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One other thing that doesn't make sense; why are there separate 'West Germanic' and 'Central Germanic' heritages?
I guess because they wanted to reflect the divergence between the Anglo-Saxon based cultures and the mainlander ones which forced the Old Saxon culture to migrate.




if there wasn't a "West Germanic" grouping, what would you place Anglo-Saxon, English, and Scots under?
 
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Traditionally, West Germanic languages are grouped into three: Ingvaeonic (Anglo-Frisian), Istvaeonic (Dutch and lower German) and Irminonic (Upper/High German). At the very least you could make the case for a cultural boundary between the insular and coastal Germanic peoples and the more inland and upland ones. Whether these linguistic groupings are sensible even on linguistic grounds, much less whether they correspond to any meaningful cultural grouping is certainly quite up for debate.
 
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There's probably a reasonable arguement that Dutch shouldn't exist at all in 867, instead being split between Saxon, Frisian and Franconian/Frankish.

One other thing that doesn't make sense; why are there separate 'West Germanic' and 'Central Germanic' heritages?
For that matter, why isn't there an East Germanic heritage for Langobards/Lombards and Goths?
 
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For that matter, why isn't there an East Germanic heritage for Langobards/Lombards and Goths?
Might have died out early enough to be irrelevant. The last vestiges of the Visigothic Kingdom ended before Charlemagne and that was the longest running one I believe. Those were definitely cases of a small group of elites ruling over a Roman culture speaking a Roman language.
 
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There's probably a reasonable arguement that Dutch shouldn't exist at all in 867, instead being split between Saxon, Frisian and Franconian/Frankish.
I agree. You might divide the whole Germanic Frankish area in Low Frankish and Franconian though.
One other thing that doesn't make sense; why are there separate 'West Germanic' and 'Central Germanic' heritages?
Back in old CK II I understood this uneasy compromise solution, even though I didn’t agree with some of the choices made in transition areas. Some things are better now, Dutch being closer to their continental cousins. Frisians should be in the middle between Dutch and the West Germanics (and with North Frisia arguably the Danes).
Saxons and Anglo-Saxons should have ties, but the former should be tied to the rest of the German tribes, whereas this should not apply to the latter.
These ties should be further watered down once (continental) Saxon becomes Low German and Anglo-Saxon transitions into English.
 
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I guess because they wanted to reflect the divergence between the Anglo-Saxon based cultures and the mainlander ones which forced the Old Saxon culture to migrate.
Except most Saxons stayed in their homelands and were together with the Franks one of the more important Germanic tribes. They were only converted to Christianity after the conquest of Charlemagne. One of the most important Imperial dynasties, the Ottonians (Liudolfinger) were Saxons.
The conquest of Charlemagne happened long after the migration of Saxons, Angles, Jutes and Frisians to Roman Britain.
if there wasn't a "West Germanic" grouping, what would you place Anglo-Saxon, English, and Scots under?
The problem with West Germanic is that the so called Central Germanics are in fact also West Germanic. Maybe Insular West Germanic versus Continental West Germanic?
 
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Except most Saxons stayed in their homelands and were together with the Franks one of the more important Germanic tribes. They were only converted to Christianity after the conquest of Charlemagne. One of the most important Imperial dynasties, the Ottonians (Liudolfinger) were Saxons.
The conquest of Charlemagne happened long after the migration of Saxons, Angles, Jutes and Frisians to Roman Britain.

The problem with West Germanic is that the so called Central Germanics are in fact also West Germanic. Maybe Insular West Germanic versus Continental West Germanic?
That would be better naming, I agree. But West Germanic probably shouldn't be outside of its historical linguistics context. By the time it matters, it's not even a good descriptor ("south" might have been better).
 
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That would be better naming, I agree. But West Germanic probably shouldn't be outside of its historical linguistics context. By the time it matters, it's not even a good descriptor ("south" might have been better).
Can you clarify this for a bit? Since combining in game West and Central Germanic would still be within the historical linguistics context. The whole problem with the labelling, is that whole East Germanic branch went extinct.
 
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Can you clarify this for a bit? Since combining in game West and Central Germanic would still be within the historical linguistics context. The whole problem with the labelling, is that whole East Germanic branch went extinct.
I left out a word. It was supposed to say "West Germanic probably shouldn't be *used* outside of its historical linguistics context". By the time of the game, East Germanic was probably mostly gone outside of a few pockets near the Black Sea and maybe among a few of the nobility where the Visigothic Kingdom used to be (doubtful) and possibly the Balkans still. So all continental Germanic outside of Scandinavia was West Germanic. But the cultural distinctions had already arisen across the West Germanic area, so it's not really a useful term anymore. And it's also not even really west anymore among the spoken languages, thus my proposal that it could just as well be called "south" (i.e., not north/Norse).
 
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