The Kingdom of Trebizond

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I could not find anything directly related to my inquiry, so don't chew on my bum if this has been asked before! And, actually, don't chew on my bum, uh, ever.

Aaaaaanyway, I recently started up a game as the Duke of Trebizond. To my everlasting delight, I learned that there was a formable Kingdom of Trebizond! Yippee!

Upon checking the base requirements, they seem quite easy - just own two duchies! I'm already half-way there. Securing the duchy to my immediate left (the name escapes me - I believe it starts with an "A"?), I return to the Kingdom title...only to find that the next condition is NEVER. No, really. That is what it says. The remaining requirement to form the Kingdom of Trebizond is NEVER. It has a big red "X" next to it because, apparently, I have yet to NEVER. Not even once.

Wut?

Normally, unformable titular kingdoms simply say that they "cannot be created under normal circumstances," or what have you. What is this sorcery, and, more importantly, where is my crown?!

NOTE: I do not have the LoR DLC. Does that cause any issues?

 

[Dutchling]

The kingdom of Trebizond is there just for a later start, where there was an empire of Trebizond independent of Byzantium.
The thing is, when a titular title has a capital, it will be creatable. That is why the devs added the condition of NEVER I assume.

 

[Hastyr]

Historically it was a Byzantine successor state, formed by the Komnenos dynasty just before the capture of Constantinople during 4th crusade. They even called themselves emperors.
So I suppose its working as intended.

 

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The kingdom of Trebizond is there just for a later start, where there was an empire of Trebizond independent of Byzantium.
The thing is, when a titular title has a capital, it will be creatable. That is why the devs added the condition of NEVER I assume.

Aw. :sad:

Well, thanks for the info. I would really just prefer it if they made certain titular titles cancel out certain de jure titles (you cannot be King of Naples and Sicily, or King of Anatolia and Trebizond). Alas, my every whim is understandably unable to be met by our fair Paradoxian overlords.

 

[Hackworthy]

Trebizond really should be a Titular Empire rather than Kingdom.

 

[Kalderus]

On a total side note here, the titular kingdom of Khazaria still exists in the game files (you can find it under the title finder) but can also obviously never be created, EVER. I realize Khazaria was replaced by the de jure areas of Cumania, Kwarizim and a few other realms, but then what is it still doing in the game files if it never exists and can never exist?

 

[cybrxkhan]

On a total side note here, the titular kingdom of Khazaria still exists in the game files (you can find it under the title finder) but can also obviously never be created, EVER. I realize Khazaria was replaced by the de jure areas of Cumania, Kwarizim and a few other realms, but then what is it still doing in the game files if it never exists and can never exist?

Probably just leftover unused code, more or less. If you look hard, you'll find plenty of things in the code that never made it to the actual game, including stuff from EU Rome and the original CK1. For instance, there's trait icons for "church loyalists" and "crown loyalists" - perhaps something akin to the Ghuelfs and the Ghibertines was planned, but never made it. Stuff like that.

 

[MasterOfGrey]

Can you use the console to give those titles to people still though? (has interesting ideas...)

 

[Comradebot]

Probably just leftover unused code, more or less. If you look hard, you'll find plenty of things in the code that never made it to the actual game, including stuff from EU Rome and the original CK1. For instance, there's trait icons for "church loyalists" and "crown loyalists" - perhaps something akin to the Ghuelfs and the Ghibertines was planned, but never made it. Stuff like that.

Not to mention leaving it in the code means older saves will still be compatible. Remove it, and you bork some saves. Heck, the Kingdom of Khazaria was formed in a handful of games where a Crusade or Jihad was called for it.

 

[Bad_Haggis]

Trebizond really should be a Titular Empire rather than Kingdom.

Not really.

 

[Grubnessul]

A "Constantinople is conquered" or something requirement sounds better than NEVER

 

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A "Constantinople is conquered" or something requirement sounds better than NEVER

Any requirement is better than nothing.

Well, I guess *sniff* there's nothing to be done, save for console commands, etc. The Kingdom of Georgia will be finding its way into my dynasty, though. That's good.

 

[Sleight of Hand]

I like bumping Khazaria up to empire-tier and giving it all those tan-colored Eurasian kingdoms like Cumania, Volga Bulgaria and Perm.

 

[Hackworthy]

Not really.

They called themselves Emperors and they were no less Emperors than the rulers of what was left of the ERE in the west.

 

[SweArdaia]

All the byzantine sucessor states should be a titular empire or kingdom with the condition "title e_byzantium doesn't exist". That would make a lot of sense

 

[Federalist girl]

Trebizond really should be a Titular Empire rather than Kingdom.

Eh. Most of the post-4th crusade Byzantine successor states called themselves empires. For the purposes of the game, though, it'd be title inflation. Nikaia retook Constantinople and therefore "restored" the ERE, whereas the others did not -- regardless of what they called themselves.

 

[Theddude]

Eh. Most of the post-4th crusade Byzantine successor states called themselves empires. For the purposes of the game, though, it'd be title inflation. Nikaia retook Constantinople and therefore "restored" the ERE, whereas the others did not -- regardless of what they called themselves.

Trebizond did, but I'm pretty sure that Epirus did not, and it was specifically a Despotate. Yet in the game I think it's just a Duchy, so I think it's maybe more important to give Epirus it's historical title than it is to bump Trebizond up to Empire, which would probably be unbalanced.