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So this is something that's been bothering me for quite some time.. how utterly unenthusiastic a realm, and it's leader is, about what should be the grand event that is a coronation ceremony... or for that matter the utter lack of it and jubilees.

Yes while Europe of this time was poor and uneducated.. they still much like today enjoyed a good party so it's actually a shock to me that there isn't some kind of intrigue option like with tournaments to celebrate the ascension of a new king/emporer. I don't know about you but if i was prince of Britannia and had to claw my way up through the line of succession with my maritous deeds, general sense of honor, and willingness to slowly murder each of my brothers to their face.. honorably of course, Just to work my way through the peerage and the long list of succession then i'd want to have myself a grand ole party to celebrate the divine providence that made the old coot kick the bucket moments after my last elder brother still warm and bleeding corpse was thrown over the ramparts.

In all seriousness though I do believe an optional coronation that could take place within the first three months of rule would be a nice feature. Especially if it either helped me temporarily either convince the vassals of my legitimacy or instead undermine my authority causing a boost to faction support. With that said I understand if this idea meets skepticism as it would alter the game dynamics.

I've thought up a many of scenarios where such grand celebrations could be held but I've decided to only list a brief list:

1. Upon the foundation of a first kingdom rank title, <a successful ceremony would help ease tensions with vassals with raised levies and a bad ceremony would sow seeds for an accelerated revolt>

2. Inheritance of a new primary kingdom/empire title <would work only for the first title at that rank, offers limited revenue and stability boost or causes chaos if vassals offended>

3. upon the tenth, twentieth, ectect year of rule of primary title, <limited economic boon but chance of alienating citizens and vassals under non dejure lands>

of course all of these options will only be avalible for 3 months, would be put together like a feast and be called off in times of war, and finaly cancled if the ruler dies beforehand. They should also be somewhat expensive and have the cost grow with realm size
 

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I try to always throw a tournament as soon as a new King's in power for the relation bonus with my now-usually-rebellious vassals myself. Though the option to hold a big tournament after every succession or major war rather than just once per rule would also be nice...
 

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I agree. It would be nice to have some events like the option to either give thanks to God at the church or to have a royal drinking binge.
 

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This would be useful, especially since the modern concept that the throne was never empty ("The King is dead, long live the King!") originates in 13th century England [citation]. Before that, there was a period without a king, but generally just until the new king was crowned, which could be a few weeks to a few months later.

It would also make elective monarchies (like the HRE) more interesting, with last-minute vote changes and shifting supporters as money and blood changes hands.
 

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I think there is allready a similair feature in The Prince and Thane mod. After you get a new ruler on the throne there will be events where
vassals will bend the knee to you or not, and that having all kinds of effects like open revolt or positive relation boost.
 

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I like this idea!. It also reminds me of the 'introduce your heir' (or something along those lines) decision from EU III.
 
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I like this idea as well. With some special event chain for HRE coronation, perhaps.
 

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Excellent idea. It would be cool if you had such events, and if your vassals all had to swear fealty to the new king.

Interesting events could be spun around for example some vassals (or an entire faction) refusing to do so, and you'd send your chancellor to negotiate with them. Or, you decide on purpose to hold only a small ceremony, because you KNOW that if you invite all the unhappy nobles, they will raise demands and you want to avoid that.

Such ceremonies would also be nice in showing you how vast (or not) your realm is. The costs of such a party should depend roughly on the number of vassals that you invite, so a large realm would face ginormous costs while for a small one it's no more of a cost factor than the yearly winter banquet.
 

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Perhaps you should require the blessing of the Pope (Assuming you are a Catholic natio) before assuming the Title King. Robert the Bruce had to petition the pope for an ampulla of oil so that he could be crowned King and recognised throughout Christendom.

This would necessitate good relations with the Pope. You would be King elect and hold only the lower titles until the coronation which would require the blessing from a Cardinal or such. This would mean that although you had rightful claim to the crown all your prospectful vassals would be independent until that day. Otherwise you could perhaps crown yourself King without blessing and receive an appropriate Malus.

I know that you require piety to create a King title so his might be reflected in that already.

http://www.angelfire.com/in3/theodore/opinion/articles/coulombe/coronat2.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Ampulla

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=qtgotOF0MKQC&pg=PA53&lpg=PA53&dq=scotland+kings+ampulla+of+sacred++oil&source=bl&ots=zxlSSTmQQy&sig=p9md5f3TcvF-wHBAbrr-OkVlTlw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QsO0UP21I4bM0AWo54D4BA&ved=0CGIQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=scotland%20kings%20ampulla%20of%20sacred%20%20oil&f=false

Personally I'm not religious at all but I feel that the Churches influence and opinion is severely lacking in CKII
 

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I'm not sure anyone would dare to crown himself in the CK2 era and not have some holy man do it. It was kinda revolutionary when Napoleon did it.
 

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It's a good idea. Maybe a successful coronation could diminish a little the effects of the "short reign" penalty, since at least he would be legitimate. Of course, if too many vassals don't want to do anything with him, it could trigger a crisis just like right now. Of course, the Pope could have a say in some way and I would like the idea of "tradition" developped in another thread to be applied to the legitimacy of the new king (or queen).