The Karlocalypse

[Lord_P]

Conclave changed the way dynastic alliances work! Hoo boy...

Have you played 867 in a while? It's utter madness! Almost as soon as you unpause the Karlings unanimously jump on each other to claim that sweet sweet inheritance land. Sometimes they band together to defend against a particularly aggressive kinsman, but usually they just go for the kill if they have the men.

Do note that this is not complaining, this is praising. The chaotic infighting of the Karlings is now more real than ever!

 

[yourworstnightm]

Well, that's good. Karling on Karling action is always hot.

However the AI's inability to making alliances is not.

I kind of understand it though, since alliances are now completely worthless.

 

[szmik]

However the AI's inability to making alliances is not.

AI is making some annoying (when I want to war) external alliances, whether by chance or design I don't know. It works anyway.

 

[LucidFugue]

AI is making some annoying (when I want to war) external alliances, whether by chance or design I don't know. It works anyway.

I've noticed this too. It tends to form alliances as a panic button when it is threatened. With auto-call in, this is the most sensible behaviour. Why form an alliance before you need it if that simply introduces the possibility of being called into someone else's war, and there is no penalty for waiting until the last minute?

 

[Ragingnorman]

I've seen Petty Kings/Dukes make some really good alliances (Wessex allied with Lotharingia, Aquitaine and West Francia, well done sir), but vassal dukes seem to stay without allies for most of the time, also the Umayyads are really bad at making alliances and this made the Reconquista easier (but still not that common) for the AI.

I think the Title Claimant/Has a Claim on my Title opinion modifier is what really changed the pace of same-dinasty alliances (because they are not forced upon us anymore), brothers will rather kill eachother than unite against the world and only start to kill eachother after they defeat their external enemies (not complaining as long as the Karlings kill themselves).

 

[szmik]

I've seen Petty Kings/Dukes make some really good alliances (Wessex allied with Lotharingia, Aquitaine and West Francia, well done sir),

Given AI (in)ability to use ships effectively I question sensibility of such alliance.

 

[orochi2k]

Welcome to the hunger game.

 

[Lord_P]

I started as Karloman of Bavaria (son of Ludwig of East Francia). My pa went to war with Lothaire for Burgundy and I got called in (thanks, Paradox, for the worst ck2 addition ever). Charles the Bald also went to war against Lothaire. Father croaked, I inherited Germany and the war continued. It seemed as if I was winning.

But tragedy struck! Lothaire made an alliance with Louis of Italy! Soon they were beating me about.

 

[Vicodin_Addict]

2 strongest Karling in 867, might be Karlman of Bavaria and Louis of Italy.

Karlman with guaranteed inheritance from Ludwig and pushing claims to either Lotharingia or Italy can be a Kaiser before 900.

Same with Louis, with the Alfonso "tap in the back" style I killed Lothaire of Lotharingia, grab Sicily by doing invite & push claim and finally a push to Bavaria to create Empire of Italia or switch to German and create HRE, depends on personal style, I guess.

I don't really like playing as Louis of Aquitane although same guaranteed inheritance from Charles, sometimes Ummayad can come knocking the door in the most unfortunate times...

 

[Lord_P]

2 strongest Karling in 867, might be Karlman of Bavaria and Louis of Italy.

Karlman with guaranteed inheritance from Ludwig and pushing claims to either Lotharingia or Italy can be a Kaiser before 900.

Same with Louis, with the Alfonso "tap in the back" style I killed Lothaire of Lotharingia, grab Sicily by doing invite & push claim and finally a push to Bavaria to create Empire of Italia or switch to German and create HRE, depends on personal style, I guess.

I don't really like playing as Louis of Aquitane although same guaranteed inheritance from Charles, sometimes Ummayad can come knocking the door in the most unfortunate times...

I think the Karling balance is pretty ok.

Louis has a pretty snazzy powerbase, but he has two really strong vassals of foreign culture. The French-Aquitanian bloc is perhaps the strongest one, but it is also countered by the East Francia-Bavaria bloc in the east. The only one who regularly seems to get shafted is poor Lothaire in the middle. Figures that achieving an independent Frisia could now be easier than ever... Hmm... gives me an idea for a future campaign.

 

[anomanderus]

I started as Karloman of Bavaria (son of Ludwig of East Francia). My pa went to war with Lothaire for Burgundy and I got called in (thanks, Paradox, for the worst ck2 addition ever). Charles the Bald also went to war against Lothaire. Father croaked, I inherited Germany and the war continued. It seemed as if I was winning.

But tragedy struck! Lothaire made an alliance with Louis of Italy! Soon they were beating me about.

How did charles do?

 

[Alcadizzar19]

Well, that's good. Karling on Karling action is always hot.

I've heard it bandied about that something like a quarter of European derived people are descended from Ole Charliebones. So a great deal of couplings even nowadays *are* Karling on Karling fun.

 

[Arsonik]

I've heard it bandied about that something like a quarter of European derived people are descended from Ole Charliebones. So a great deal of couplings even nowadays *are* Karling on Karling fun.

http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2013/05/07/charlemagnes-dna-and-our-universal-royalty/

 

[Alcadizzar19]

http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2013/05/07/charlemagnes-dna-and-our-universal-royalty/

Neat.
I pulled mine from http://www.gly.uga.edu/railsback/GenealComp1.html

 

[Arsonik]

Neat.
I pulled mine from http://www.gly.uga.edu/railsback/GenealComp1.html

Yes, this tingles my nerd side much more. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Lord_P]

How did charles do?

I was constantly bashing him about so that he wouldn't win the war against Lothaire. I think in the end he white peaced out, but that didn't matter since he died soon anyway, uniting the West Frankish lands.