THE IRON EAGLE: Axis vs Allies Cold War

[dusan989]

For General Rosa and Walter Model - what can I say, great job men and keep working.
For T-hiddemen - Can you make something to replace endgame_comintern with something abou Japan and something to replace start picture?

 

[unmerged(44716)]

To Walter Model: Nice event ideas! But one thing: The event caused by the second choice, 'send in the Wehrmatch and Polizei', what consequences should it have?

To Užičkibombarder: I've think this whole idea of 'partisans' could be improved.

I've read somewhere that you can assign provinces outside the map to nations. So instead of a 'partisan' unit we could actually have Polish and Free French units. (The rest of the uprising nations like Ukraine and Congo should still be handled with partisan units, as making them exist before the events will screw the events series, as you can't release a nation that already exists)

Also, all these uprising events gave me an idea.

What if the Cold War gets hot and the Allies surround Fortress Europe, and plan to do a D-Day, maybe there could be a 'Give the partisans the signal' event that fires all the uprisings events at the same time for Germany to distract their army from the landing beaches.

I'll start working on the events later tonight as I have some stuff to deal with.

 

[unmerged(43870)]

For General Rosa and Walter Model - what can I say, great job men and keep working.
For T-hiddemen - Can you make something to replace endgame_comintern with something abou Japan and something to replace start picture?

I'll look at the endgame comintern and see what I can do. Which start picture?

 

[unmerged(43870)]

For General Rosa and Walter Model - what can I say, great job men and keep working.
For T-hiddemen - Can you make something to replace endgame_comintern with something abou Japan and something to replace start picture?

How's this? I have not tested it in the game, and this is my first stab at one of these. Its not quite in the vanilla HOI style . . .

 

[unmerged(49083)]

Well in my opinion that is excellent

General Roca, I think the effects for the Wehrmacht could be ...

+1 Fort in province I will let you choose.
+1 Garrison Division in Warsaw
Reduce infra -10% (permanent?)
- 1000 Supplies (for the new division)

In the meantime Užičkibombarder sits there getting his popcorn out to read the next post

 

[unmerged(43870)]

Well in my opinion that is excellent

Thanks! o

 

[bombshellboi]

Will do !

I guess I missed the part about Sea Lion failing first then a successful Barbarossa. But for the sake of argument, say that that happened. Hitler would probably have made a peace appeal to the UK similar to the one he made after France fell, Churchill would certainly have turned it down . . . but what if FDR could not overcome isolationist sentiment? or if he lost the election in 32, 36 or 40?

With no front in the East to worry about, don't you think that Germany could have mobilized for a successful cross Channel invasion?

As with any Alt History, you have to accept some big If A - Then B possibilities. And in any case whether or not it could have happened in reality, the premise does make for an interesting game

Setting this aside, what mods have you found good and playable?

But thats not the point is it?

In his premise he more or less states everything went historically until Operation Barbarossa which the Axis won instead of the Commitern...
This being true then the hole remains and my pointing it out was because I merely wished the Mod Creator to consider tightening up the Premise/Mod slightly to be a great deal more plausible.

 

[unmerged(43870)]

But thats not the point is it?

In his premise he more or less states everything went historically until Operation Barbarossa which the Axis won instead of the Commitern...
This being true then the hole remains and my pointing it out was because I merely wished the Mod Creator to consider tightening up the Premise/Mod slightly to be a great deal more plausible.

Fair enough

My other question still stands, what mods are your favorites? I'm always looking for new twists on the game . . .

 

[unmerged(44716)]

Alright, I finished the Warsaw Uprising event series. I've tested them and they work fine.

But there are some BIG problems.

If you choose to negotiate and grant independance to the Poles, they will be liberated, but will get several provinces that they shouldn't get.

Danzig = 303

Poznan = 307

Torun = 305

Bydgoszcz = 306

I think that after 7 years of terrible etnic purges those provinces would have lost enough Polish people to be considered German. Also, Germany's supply lines to the East are cut like they were before WWII.

Another problem, and this is the worst one, is if Poland gets independant, the partisans will still be in Warsaw. Poland has no army since it just got liberated so the partisans can just go out of Warsaw and take all of Poland with no problem. And I don't know any event command to get rid of them.

There are two solutions to this:

1-Do what I mentioned earlier and make Poland start the campaign with a province that's not in the map. The Warsaw Uprising event simply makes Poland declare war on Germany and gives many infantry divs. to Poland in Warsaw. The "Independance" event is simply a peace deal and germany gives Poland the provinces it would get if liberated. With this there won't be any partisan divisions in Warsaw after the negotiations, only Polish divisions.

2-Find a event command that gets rid of the partisan divisions in Warsaw.

To Walter Model: I found another solution. If Germany chooses to send the SS, it will get a big dissent reduction, but also a very big reduction of supplies and oil. If they choose to send the normal troops, it will get the same, but much smaller effect. If they choose to negotiate, whooping dissent, but no supplies/oil loss. Otherwise, the player would just choose the 'cheapest' option.

 

[dusan989]

To T-hiddemen: Nice picture (maybe it should be little darker). Start picture where you chose what campaign to play, what country to play, do you want to play in singleplayer or multiplayer or tutorial.
To General Roca: I did not understand about giveing provinces to Poland and France, did you meen water provinces or something else. Yes about Cold war gets hot revolt events. About Danzig, Poznan, Torun, Bydgoszcz I will make this provinces national for Germany in next version and then there will be no problems. Should I give to Congo in revolt file all German's provinces in Africa and call it "United states of Africa". And can zou make events about government in liberated countryes and those events will be fired after those countryes are liberated.

 

[dusan989]

The Iron Eagle> Axis vs Allies Cold War team's mebmers are:
me - Užičkibombarder;
General Roca - revolt's events and soon mazbe something more;
T-hiddemen - graphic man.
Many thanks to Walter Model who helps General Roca about events.
What we need:
AI's writter - version of vanila HoI2 is 1.3 with hotfix and that writter should appear very, very soon.

Ministers are needed for South, Central, North America, Liberia, Australia, New Zealand, India, Central Asia countryes in period 1946-1960.

 

[dusan989]

To General Rosa: when I start mod I got a message with " ERROR : (unknown data defined in event database) 'name = The Free French Manhunt' Line = 77 file = db\events\tie\vic.txt ". What is wrong.

 

[unmerged(49083)]

The way they won't get the provinces is if you make an event forcing them to give it back, for example :


Polish Independence Part 2

Although we have slight independence, we have to give back Germany their provinces which they now demand, and because we have no army, if we refused we would be annexed again.


1.) Secede all neccessary provinces
(secede - Danzig, Bromberg(Bydgoszcz), Posen,(Poznan).

They shouldn't get Torun as in TGW the Germans didn't actually own even half the province. DISSENT 30, because the Poles think they could of done more)

2.) Secede other Provinces too -

Secede (all above), and some others with German sounding names maybe, Torun (Thorn), Czestochowa, Cracow, Przemsyl, Stanislawów, Lemberg (Lvov), Stryj. some of these were once part of Austria-Hungary, apart from Czestochowa which is to provide a land connection.



[EDIT] - Will I be put in the credits part on the readme file ?

 

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To Užičkibombarder: I corrected the event that wasn't working. Replace the manhunt event with this.

#######################
The Free French Manhunt
#######################
event = {
id = 505063

country = VIC



name = "The Free French Manhunt"
desc = "How are we going to carry out this manhunt?"
style = 0
picture = "milicianos"

action_a = {
name = "Execute on the spot any suspicious looking Frenchman."
ai_chance = 50
command = { type = dissent value = 5 }
command = { type = manpowerpool value = -4 }




}

action_b = {
name = "Prision any armed Frenchman"
ai_chance = 40

command = { type = dissent value = 1 }
command = { type = manpowerpool value = -4 }



}

action_c = {
name = "Forget about this"
ai_chance = 10
command = { type = dissent value = 6 } # Free French victory



}
}

Also, the provinces I suggested that could be given to Poland and France aren't sea provinces. They're nowhere in the map, you can't see them. If you go to the province excel file in the DB folder, you will see these provinces's numbers, they're at the bottom of the file. If you assign 1 of these provinces to a country, and that country only haves this province, this country will exsist but nobody will be able to see it in the game. It's very useful for the Warsaw Uprising events. So you can make appear in Warsaw out of nothing Polish infantry divisions- Warsaw Uprising. (Or if this is too complicated, it's just easier to romove the diplomatic option from the event)

And good idea about Congo.

I will start working on the 'Give the partisans the signal' event tomorrow night and on the goverment of the liberated countries's events the day after tomorrow.

And that 'Something else you mentioned' will be.... more events! Maybe even Ministers/Leaders for South America but I see later.

To Walter Model: That is a very good idea and in fact and I was about to make that event. But Užičkibombarder will make those provinces national German provinces so when they grant Poland independance they will not get them.

Would this 'reduced' Poland be correct?

To all: I will be gone for 2 days Bye

 

[unmerged(49083)]

That is wrong because Cracow and Przemsyl need to go to Germany or there's no land connection. Give Torun to Poland though, because the Germans don't have claims on even half the province.

 

[unmerged(44716)]

Alright, I re-worked completely the Warsaw Uprising events. Since giving provinces outside the map to Poland/France was too complicated I just made the event the same way the Ukranian/Byelorus/Rus/Congo etc are. The Uprising happens, some time later a "Treat better the Poles" event happens, if you choose to treat them better you can also choose to make them independant, etc.

In game terms, the negotiations option was just not possible.

#########################################################################
# The Warsaw Uprising
#########################################################################
event = {
id = 505064
random = 13
country = GER
persistent = yes

trigger = {

owned = { province = 1092 data = GER }

NOT = { exists = POL # Poland is not independant
government = democratic

}

}

name = "Warsaw Chaos"
desc = " Ever since Germany has occupied Poland they have been absolutely cruel, especially to Jews. Now the Polish have had enough and have now launched an uprising, the main forces of their uprisers in Warsaw. They don't want their capital under our control but we took them out of the world map fair and square!"
style = 0
picture = "milicianos"
offset = 34

action_a = {
name = "Damn"

command = { type = revolt which = 485 }
command = { type = revolt which = 485 }
command = { type = revolt which = 485 }
command = { type = revolt which = 485 }
command = { type = revolt which = 485 }
command = { type = revolt which = 485 }
command = { type = revolt which = 485 }
command = { type = revolt which = 485 }
command = { type = revolt which = 485 }




}
}


#########################################################################
# What to do with the Poles?
#########################################################################
event = {
id = 505065
random = 28
country = GER

trigger = {

event = 505064

}

name = "What to do with the Poles?"
desc = "Ever since the Warsaw Uprising happened, we have been debating what measures we should take with the Poles to prevent it from happening again. Mein Führer, we have come to see what you have to say."
style = 0
picture = "milicianos"
offset = 15

action_a = {
name = "Shooting some of them will calm the rest"

command = { type = trigger which = 505064 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 485 value = 35 }
command = { type = belligerence which = GER value = 15 }




}
action_b = {
name = "Ok, treat them with more respect"

command = { type = trigger which = 505066 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 485 value = -15 }
command = { type = belligerence which = GER value = -10 }
command = { type = dissent value = 30 }



}
}

#########################################################################
# More respect to the Poles
#########################################################################
event = {
id = 505066
country = GER


name = "More respect to the Poles"
desc = "Following your commands the military has been ordered to treat better the Poles and a propaganda campaign has started to convince the population into doing the same. This will have mayor changes in both our doctrine and our goverment."
style = 0
picture = "milicianos"

action_a = {
name = "Thank you very much"
command = { type = domestic which = interventionism value = -1 }
command = { type = domestic which = democratic value = 1 }



}
action_b = {
name = "Maybe they deserve more"

command = { type = domestic which = interventionism value = -1 }
command = { type = domestic which = democratic value = 2 }
command = { type = independence which = POL value = 1 when = 1 }



}
}

And I also finished the events for the goverments of the liberated countries. The player can choose between Left-Wing Radical, Social Liberal and Social Conservative. But this is too weak. It should be re-worked. I need ideas! Should there be a 4th option too? What should the options be?


Things to do:

1-Polish-German provinces exchange/demands

2-Give the partisans the signal events

I don't want to do n. 1 without some Model ideas. How should the event go?

The n. 2 is VERY complicated. It will involve more than 24 events so it will take me a while to do it.

 

[dusan989]

And I also finished the events for the goverments of the liberated countries. The player can choose between Left-Wing Radical, Social Liberal and Social Conservative. But this is too weak. It should be re-worked. I need ideas! Should there be a 4th option too? What should the options be?

I do not thing that Germany would accept Left-Wing Radical, Social Liberal and probably Social Conservative governments in liberated countryes. I was thinking about event in which country can choose between National Socialist, Paternal Autocrat and Fascist.

 

[unmerged(49083)]

Maybe the governments would be :

Paternal Autocracy
Fascist
Market Liberal (right wingers)
Social Conservative (slightly right wing and bit authoritarian)

This way, they are keeping to a right-wing ideology.

Ok, n.1 could go like this :


GERMANY'S DEMANDS

Mein Führer, von Ribbentrop has come to ask you if we should demand the territories which we should rightly have and which were once part of Österreich-Ungarn (Austria-Hungary), but of course we can't do this without your permission.

1.)Send Ribbentrop to demand land off the Poles
2.)Do NOT send him, it may offend them



GERMANY'S DEMANDS 2 (Success)

They have caved into our demands, they will now secede to us Danzig, Elbling Königsberg, Oppeln, Breslau, Cracow, Przemsyl, Stryj, Stanislawów, Lemberg Bromberg, Posen and Thorn)


A.) Demands accepted! (effect you should know from above description.

GET :
Danzig
Elbling
Königsberg
Oppeln
Cracow
Przemsyl
Stryj
Stanislawów
Lvov
Bydgoszcz
Poznan



DEMANDS DENIED

They have rejected our demands. What should we do?

a.) How dare they! These are our lands! What do you think we should do, DECLARE WAR!

War with Poland, claims on provinces written above

b.) Forget the issue

Relation with Poland +10, claims on provinces.


GERMANY'S DEMANDS 3

They have agreed to do give the provinces but they would like Torun beacuse under half of is our land.

A.) Fair enough, we have the better part of the deal (Secede Thorn[Torun]
B.) Are you mad? The German military shall crush you! (War with Poland)

 

[unmerged(43870)]

Very Interesting event possibilities! I am looking forward to playing this one . . .

 

[unmerged(49083)]

Well thank you!