The India Situation?

[Alexander Seil]

I was wondering if it is possible to get any info on how colonial manpower and war potential is handled in HoI3?

While HoI2 system was passable for African and Far Eastern colonies (although barely), it left a big gaping hole in Britain's war potential by making India a strategic liability (since it did not contribute manpower during WARTIME and could not be locally reinforced!). Historically, India contributed considerable native forces in both World Wars, which could hardly be the case in HoI2. Also, there's a very important issue of Indian forces being indistinguishable from the British, which leaves an independent India in 1947 with no army, which is ridiculous.

 

[tretii_sleva]

Yep, the jewel of the crown deserves being more special. Agreeing with you.

 

[DesertSnow]

There should be some kind of "colonial infantry" that can be built from "colonial manpower" and (MORE IMPORTANTLY) can be deployed in the colony.

 

[unmerged(62251)]

Also, things should be added about Subhas Chandra Bose and the Indian National Army. The difference between the Indian nationalists and ultranationalists was big enough for the Japanese to exploit, potentially wrecking the British.


Somany factors, not enough space...

 

[Eddy Gemmell]

There should be some kind of "colonial infantry" that can be built from "colonial manpower" and (MORE IMPORTANTLY) can be deployed in the colony.

Yes, I always thought that sort of approach worked quite well in Vicky.

 

[noobermenschen]

Possibly making British India a puppet? Actually this could be modded in the existing games

 

[unmerged(105989)]

a puppeted India is a powerful tool. Having released India as a puppet as Germany, India becomes a self-sustaining regional powerhouse. Add Brit tech and there's lots of potential there.

 

[unmerged(112350)]

i support the idea - it works nice in CORE

 

[Sir Humphrey]

Also, things should be added about Subhas Chandra Bose and the Indian National Army.

Given the "government in exile" model that is being implimented, having Bose and the INA would be easy to add to the game.

 

[unmerged(62251)]

Given the "government in exile" model that is being implimented, having Bose and the INA would be easy to add to the game.

There is such a feature? PERFECT!



That means I'll be able to add in the Korean Provisional Governemnt

 

[unmerged(36636)]

For Paradox,



Whatever you do with the provinces maps of the rest of the world make sure to create a correct map of India as of the WWII era time so that alongwith India other nations like Pakistan and Bangladesh could also come into being without crippled shapes. For example in HOIs 1 & 2, the map of the Kashmir region has not been properly made so neither a correct shape of the maps of India nor Pakistan and Bangladesh could come into being. The border of Kashmir runs from Afghanistan all the way to Nepal! And as of Bangladesh the province of Rangpur (dont remember the name correctly) breaks the land connection of India with its north eastern states which become landlocked. Also Bangladesh if we give Rangpur province to India become way too short. So do some research on world province maps first.

 

[unmerged(56754)]

Possibly making British India a puppet? Actually this could be modded in the existing games

That wouldn't make any sense atall.

Having a Colonial infantry type is unfair. Indian divisions were no worse trained then British divisions, its not fair to give them lower stats.

These divisions are already moddelled in HOI2. Build some Infantry and eventually you will get '7th Indian infantry division or what ever' as well as the 10 or so Indian divisions that exist from the start.

 

[unmerged(105989)]

That wouldn't make any sense atall.

Having a Colonial infantry type is unfair. Indian divisions were no worse trained then British divisions, its not fair to give them lower stats.

These divisions are already moddelled in HOI2. Build some Infantry and eventually you will get '7th Indian infantry division or what ever' as well as the 10 or so Indian divisions that exist from the start.

The problem is that the UK can't deploy troops there due to the no land connection to its capital. Also, due to the same lack of land connection, the UK cannot really access Indian MP. A way around this, not only for the UK, but other nations with significant colonial holdings would be to have two MP pools (as mentioned earlier) so that you could deploy colonial units to colonies. This in no way should diminish their fighting capabilities, indeed some of the Indian units of the UK army were among it's most feared fighters. The Ghurka regiment ring a bell to anyone?

 

[String]

The problem is that the UK can't deploy troops there due to the no land connection to its capital. Also, due to the same lack of land connection, the UK cannot really access Indian MP. A way around this, not only for the UK, but other nations with significant colonial holdings would be to have two MP pools (as mentioned earlier) so that you could deploy colonial units to colonies. This in no way should diminish their fighting capabilities, indeed some of the Indian units of the UK army were among it's most feared fighters. The Ghurka regiment ring a bell to anyone?

There's indian units and indian units.

The problem in early war was that the units stationed in far east (Malaya and Singapore, i'm looking at you) tended to be used by brits as a manpower pool. They usually had non-indian officers who sometimes didn't even understand the language of their subordinates. What was worse was the fact that every few months the most promising recruits and NCO's were transferred out to the front and were replaced by (usually) green recruits. Didn't help force proficiency levels at all.

 

[unmerged(105989)]

There's indian units and indian units.

The problem in early war was that the units stationed in far east (Malaya and Singapore, i'm looking at you) tended to be used by brits as a manpower pool. They usually had non-indian officers who sometimes didn't even understand the language of their subordinates. What was worse was the fact that every few months the most promising recruits and NCO's were transferred out to the front and were replaced by (usually) green recruits. Didn't help force proficiency levels at all.

Good point, I have to agree. Maybe certain colonial units start off poor (maybe with artificially low strength and org) and then improve once war starts?

 

[Don_Quigleone]

Well certain british colonies really shouldn't be cores at all , maybe colonial cores, which could also be applied to France's Colonies

 

[Olaus Petrus]

Yes, I always thought that sort of approach worked quite well in Vicky.

True. Maybe units should have culture like they did have in Vicky. Europeans didn't only use Indian troops, but also used Arab and African troops.

 

[unmerged(7537)]

The problem is that the UK can't deploy troops there due to the no land connection to its capital. Also, due to the same lack of land connection, the UK cannot really access Indian MP. A way around this, not only for the UK, but other nations with significant colonial holdings would be to have two MP pools (as mentioned earlier) so that you could deploy colonial units to colonies. This in no way should diminish their fighting capabilities, indeed some of the Indian units of the UK army were among it's most feared fighters. The Ghurka regiment ring a bell to anyone?

There is a way to solve this: Allow troops to be deployed in overseas provinces that you own and control, and allow to draw a very small percentage of manpower from them.

 

[unmerged(105989)]

works for me. I don't really play the UK that much, but it would be useful for other nations as well. I always found it annoying as the US to ship large numbers of forces across the Atlantic and Pacific. It's realistic, just annoying.

 

[The Balbinater]

this

problem is not unique to the UK. every country on earth with distant overseas colonies also has this problem. in real life many thousands of native ethiopians fought alongside the italians in italian east africa against the british. if this is fixed it needs to be fixed for everybody not just UK.

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