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The Civilisation of the MachTungri – A modified Fantasia AAR

Warning: This AAR is utterly unhistorical and is based upon a different history (and set of historical facts) than our own. Please feel free to enjoy it despite this :D.

FOREWORD

When one looks back upon history and is faced with the lives of others and the paths they chose, one can always be pushed to wonder how the world was, and what brought the people to live as they did. The information we have is brief and obviously altered through the mouths and writings of many. This of course affects the way we see history, people, events, and even morals. The information collected is thus never written by two sides, as all biographers were (despite some effort not to be or not to seem,) impassive.

History is not always written by the people who are right. It is merely a recollection of incidents recorded by those who are left, usually those who emerge victorious. Despite this lack of concrete evidence, today’s historians can still work out an approximate summary of what happened in the past via the study of ancient writings and comparisons thereof. What we are interested in happened a long time ago. Because of this, we can only give approximate facts derived by the writings of the literate few.

However, to better understand what happened in this time, as well as the reasons for which they happened, we must go further back in history, to a time of European political unity and advanced technology. We must travel all the way back to around 100 A.D. The Roman Empire at its peak, Latin is the predominant tongue, although regional derivations thereof combined with ancient speech makes for the creation of new languages. Literature, Architecture, Army formation and other useful aspects of the Roman lifestyle showers the people like the rain on a spring day: The resistance is weak in comparison with the ominous Roman authority. However, over time the powerful empire crumbles, victim to corruption, citizen upheaval, conscript decadence, and barbarian incursions. [It is believed that] in the year 365 A.D. Rome falls, and some fifty years later Constantinople follows cue.

It is here that the most fundamental basis for our investigation is formed. The ensuing Dark Age quickly dampens the light for the whole of Europe and the rest of the world (now solitary and divided, having lost contact with the only real civilisation - Rome). Europe loses valuable ancient manuscripts as the Mongols raid the territories (circa 800 A.D. they level Rome and 850 they pillage Lugdunum – Paris). However, the separate tribes are soon united to oust the Mongol invaders, and by 1000 A.D. the Mongol culture is only an afterthought, remaining prevalent in only the most remote eastern reaches of the continent.

Somehow, after their victory against their common enemy, the European tribes seem to scatter once more, to unprecedented levels of self-confinement. Muslims in North Africa are the most advanced in the world in 900 A.D., but much like the Roman Empire, a sudden increase in corruption and rebel activity leads to the disintegration of great lands such as Persia (already weakened by the Huns) and Ethiopia (Today’s Abyssinia). In the Far East, the Mongols remain a great pillaging threat, preventing the development of any civilisation in the area. They remain the predominant oppressors until around 1350, when a small tribe called China unites with its neighbours to expel the intruders. China becomes the predominant power of the region for centuries after this. The Americas remain (as they always were) an empty land of scattered entities and ideals.


But the part that interests us the most is of course Europe, the cradle of civilisation. During the Roman conquests the Tungri (inhabitants of Tongeren, present-day Netherlands) presented strong resistance to the assimilation into the Latin empire. Having fought many glorious battles with outstanding victories, they were finally submitted to Roman rule in 23 B.C. under the great Augustus Caesar. However suppressed their culture, it survived underground for centuries, until finally resurfacing with Rome’s fall. The Tungri never ventured far out of their homelands, and remained but another tribe for over one thousand years.
The day this changed, our story begins.
 

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Read the beginning of the post:
This AAR is utterly unhistorical and is based upon a different history (and set of historical facts ****including dates****) than our own.

Of course they're not right...otherwise the dark ages would've been finished before 1500!!

What a nice place to put the game specifications...

Difficulty = Very Hard
AI Aggressiveness = Coward
FANTASIA (1500-1820)...Modified, but includes the initial countries as well (i.e. Eire, Catalunya, etc.)

I think that's about it... Oh yes...Patch 1.8 (b I think... I'll check and correct later :))

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1497 Anno Domini – Town of Greun, Tungri Realm

“A man called Maxim Vandemacht changed our entire lives… Remember, children, this was about one hundred years ago. Even I wasn’t here yet!” The seven children sat cross-legged around the ageing man, Pieter-Jan Klievert. It was a day like most, and the Tungri farmers were organising a boundary-pact to cease the squabbling over farmland borders. The year was 1497 A.D. and the Tungri did not seem apt for drastic change: Few fishermen ever ventured very far from the coasts, hunters never spent very much time away, and the Tungri Tosic (a very distant fragment of the Roman Catholic Church) preached repeatedly on tradition and the dangers of the outside world. The summer had been warm, and crops had grown in surplus. This meant, of course, that a good part of it could be sacrificed to God.

The town of Greun was situated 14 kilometres South of the Tungri capital: Tungrum. It was in this lightly populated town that Pieter-Jan was born in 1442, and it was here that his son, Janus Klievert, was born in 1486. The children of this town were very curious about their history, and always came to “Oom Piet” to hear the story of their forefathers: That of Maxim Vandemacht.

“In 1402 Maxim was twenty-three years old, and born – like all of you – in a small town, he knew how co-operation between people is a good thing. For example, when Koos goes to his neighbours to ask for some milk, they give it to him, but they know that in their troubled times Koos can come to them and offer something back. Maxim’s whole life was based on telling people just that!

“So he went to our old capital city – Atuatuca Tungrorum (because that’s what the Romans had called it when they defeated us). In that time, a nasty King called Jan de Dikke [John the Fat One] ruled us. He spent all his time eating the food that was meant for the Gods, and had anyone killed who ever complained about it. So Maxim, who was sure we would be better off with a good king, destroyed the monstrous bloke and crowned himself King in presence of the Aarts-Toos (The nearest man to God on this Earth). The people were happy the fat man was gone, but were angry that Maxim was still not bringing more power to the people. So what did Maxim do?”

All the children raised their hands enthousiastically. Oom Piet pointed at the smallest boy of the lot, six-year-old Martijn. “What do you think?” “He m-moved them all to…T…Tum…Tummm….” “That’s right! He moved us all to Tungrum, our new capital. But at that time, Tungrum did not exist! There was nothing but a big river and some little rivers and very much land with very green grass. Maxim moved us all here, because he knew that we could build our homes from scratch and choose our land to raise our children and grow our crops! After that we were all very happy, except for the people who missed home and went back.” “And what happened to them?” one of the children asked. Oom Piet adopted a melancholic voice…“They were never heard from again…”

The children screamed in enthusiastic fear and ran out of the house and into the fields…five minutes later they would be playing Maxim the Powerful and Jan de Dikke with sticks and pompous deep voices. Janus entered the room now empty but for his father, Pieter-Jan. “Will they ever know the ending to that story?” he asked, grinning. “Not if I can help it…But I don’t even know the end of that story, Janneke. I never will…but someday…you might.” “Sure…whatever you say, but if they don’t ever learn why we called the capital Tungrum instead of Atuatuca Tungrorum they still won’t get anywhere…” “But you know it’s only a colloquialism derived from our ancient capital’s long name…” Janus grins at his father. “But that’s what you think…” Jokingly annoyed, Pieter-Jan asks his son “Why is it then, o King?” Janus decides to play along, “It’s obvious the real name was kept for when we return to Tungrorum, witless peasant!” “Come here, you unfit king, that your father may beat you to nothingness…” Janus ran mockingly out of the door, and out of sight.

Of course, such pleasantries were not taken as insults, as father and son knew of their affection for one-another. And Pieter-Jan knew that someday his son would become king: It was as sure as the sky was blue.


Janus had left the house he so dearly loved growing up in, and his new home in Tungrum was so close to the Palace that his work could be done in privacy and silence. The Palace was of course, no more than two storeys high and wasn’t very wide either. It was the remainder of Maxim’s splendid home after the rebels, dictators, and separatists had damaged it bit by bit in their foolish demonstrations of power. The enormous garden had been turned into a marketplace, and the building’s third and fourth floors were so crumbled by lack of maintenance that the Palace was said to never have had more than two.

Its current occupants were badly raised children with too much money. Ten years earlier that money had been useful to turn into power, but now that the three ageing brothers had control, they knew little of what to do next. The money they spent was on women and beer, and the result of this was a crippled economy with merchants running for the hills. The self-sustained economy could hardly be called one. It was only the way the people managed things to make ends meet that kept the country and those three pigs alive!

But that is not important: Soon, Janus Kievert and his friend Willem uit Kooi would rule the land. It was the only way Janus could ever die in peace. Nobody knew of this, of course, and the hand-over would be quick but efficient: Hopefully a successful re-enactment of what Maxim did to de Dikke 95 years earlier…
 
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I fear that I have not understood : you have modified the fantasia scenario?

And can you make one or two screenies? What province is Atuatuca Tungrorum?

I will read your story but it lacks of games explanations... ;)
 
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Yes, I am sorry if it is a little badly introduced, etc. Even if that was meant to be introductory :rofl:

Screenies are coming next update (probably will be posted this evening GMT +6)...
[[EDIT: My Mom's just told me to go to bed :mad: I guess that'll be tomorrow morning then :p]]

Scenario is FANTASIA but modified (i.e. added some nations to make for more interesting gameplay_I am personally using the FLA tag).

Settings are:
AI Aggressiveness=Coward
Difficulty=Very Hard
Patch is 1.8 something(Gosh I really need to check!:eek:)

Atuatuca Tungrorum was the Roman name given to present-day "Tongeren" which is situated in Limburg, Belgium. It would thus be province #378 in EUII but when Maxim Vandemacht moved the Tungri (inhabitants of A Tungrorum) to the West, they settled at the site of present day Antwerp (prov # 380) which is where the story unfolds.
Antwerp is called Tungrum - a shorter version of their initial settlement name.

The first post was mostly an introductory passage meant to briefly describe the world's history (as it is very different from ours - Alternative history = later end of Dark Ages).

I'm sorry if it isn't all that clear, and I'll try to make it more so in the future...Tell me if there's anything that you still don't understand [because I am very bad at explaining myself...it comes naturally :p]

Cool to see you reading, Lieutenant_Dan :) You have made my day (despite unfortunate confusion :D)

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One advice : screenies !!!

And it will be very good
 

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[AUTHORNOTE]Out of fear that I would lose the few readers I might have acquired, I fast-forward the story a bit. If you would like the part I skipped (which is only the hand-over of power) then please do not hesitate to ask. It is only that I feel I might be taking too long to start.[/AUTHORNOTE]

THE BIRTH OF THE MACHTUNGRI

December 24, 1499

The Tungri were a relatively pacifist people who disliked war and murder. Thus, when Janus Klievert and Willem uit Kooi usurped power over the tribe, the People were sceptical of the successes Janus promised. The three brothers were in exile somewhere to the East, and the Tungri were not changed: “Janus is just another dictator promising good” the demoralized People would say. But Pieter-Jan Klievert held meetings with the lords of the largest and most productive parts of the Tungri Realm, urging them to produce as usual to support the transitional period. This transitional period, he said, would be the road towards a Golden Age fit for Maxim Vandemacht. The lords would be even more sceptical than the People but Pieter-Jan’s reputation preceded him.

In the Stadshuys (City Hall), Janus sat on the throne and wondered how he could conquer the hearts of the People. They had become so demoralized in their suppression that they could not see the difference between a second Maxim Vandemacht and another heartless dictator. Janus suddenly stood up. Running to Willem (uit Kooi) he continues to think of this stunning plan with which he was sure to conquer the People
‘s hearts.

He skidded swiftly into the Royal Library (one of the only worthwhile legacies of the three dictator brothers). “Willem! I’ve got it!...” Willem looked up from his old parchment and questioningly looked at Janus. “The ideal plan to conquer the hearts of the Tungri! Do you think I’ll work?” Willem still silently stared at Janus. He then spoke: “If you haven’t told me the plan yet, I cannot reply to such questions…” Janus looked puzzled…then remembered that in his enthusiasm he had forgotten to explain it. “Oh, yes, sorry….Imagine if we changed the Tungri’s entire image! Their flag, their name, their policies!” “…And in what way? This is a big change you are talking about, you know…”

“Firstly, the Rampant Lion on White, but then on the borders of the flag or shield, a thick black line, dotted with golden stars. It would describe us as we are: Tungri are the light in a world of darkness, and maybe somewhere else there are other civilisations like ours – the gold stars – whom we shall discover soon!” Willem scratched his chin as Janus continued, unable to stop himself. “The NAME could also be changed…Who was the man who brought us here? Who was he who led our great people into the wilderness towards a better life?” “Maxim Vandemacht?” “Precisely! Look at his surname: Vandemacht. Take out the word ‘macht’ and fuse it with our name. You get…” “JanullemMacht??” Janus smiles. “Of course not! I’m talking about our name as a people; the Tungri. Fuse them together it will be the Grand Civilisation of the MachTungri, those who left their homes to find a world unknown, and acquired many riches in the process!”

Janus grabbed the quill from the desk and began writing onto a spare sheet of parchment what the flag would look like:
thenewflag.jpg


Willem looked over at the sketch, and nodded his head. “Oh yes, only the most minor of changes…” he said sarcastically.

***

The next morning, the flag was introduced and the People began contemplating their new name…It was true MachTungri had a ring about it… The word MACHT they all knew was derived from Maxim Vandemacht, but the word itself soon became a noun describing power. This made the name even more to the People’s liking, which could only be good, because Janus was preparing for huge changes for the New Year! 1500 does sound like a nice year to initiate the expansion of MachTungri culture into barbarous lands…

January 1, 1500

The 10’000 infantry in training were finally to be presented in public, Janus Klievert and Willem uit Kooi at the front of the défilé. Marching through Tungrum the People were afraid a take-over by force – much force – was in progress! However, the ten thousand men were bearing the new flag and singing a song Jan Klievert had composed as patriotic chant.

MachTungri, We are the Power
MachTungri, We are the Force
The People, we are, rising up higher
Peace and science are what we enforce
The light of our world and the others beyond!

Our King, Janus Klievert
Our Captain, Willem uit Kooi
Our country, Tungrum and around
Our world, the darkness we shall prevail!

Continues for several verses


***

Culture is Dutch-German-French because the MachTungri evolved on all three: Germanic ancestry, Gallic influence from the South, and Dutch because they define the real Dutch culture, being the only civilisation developed enough to form an independent culture. This culture had expanded by 1500 to exist throughout all of the LowLands.

A map of the MachTungri’s known world, including city-facts for Tungrum, capital of the MachTungri.
Inicio1.jpg


The MachTungri are very isolated from other civilisations. They only have vague memories of a people called Köln somewhere to the East…
Inicio2.jpg


The first of January 1500 also saw the first few colonists leave Tungrum for a better life in Zeeland. This was so secretive that nobody but the closest of relatives and the Royals knew about it. Would they successfully found a city in Zeeland? Amongst 4400 natives, one can only hope...
Inicion2.jpg


Although the first day of 1500 was mostly the display of power and the change in governing methods, the new year had much in store for the people of the MachTungri...
 

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Fine.

With some screnies, it's more easy to read ;)

Colonize all the lowlands if you can :)
 

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1 January 1500...This is of course the part where I actually started playing (I've already played until November 1502)...

The flag I chose was that of Poitou which came with the patch...
I finally checked: The patch is first 1.08 patch, so slightly out of date...:p

Expect the next update tomorrow some time...

(And thanks for the feedback :):):))

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N.B. I played the same scenario as a different country just for fun, and may I say that some of the counrties REALLY DEVELOP WELL *instills sense of foreboding* :D

Does anyone want to have the scenario file just ask... Oh, and (as you've noticed) monarch and leader files are custom :D
 

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February 27, 1500 – North of the MachTungri Realm

Hendrik Rouwer was approaching his childhood playground: The world beyond the national borders was always a favourite place for him to run to as a child, especially whenever a dictator marched troops through his border-town. He hadn’t returned to this place for many years, but now was doing it in a more stylish manner than ever before: Leader of a group of some two-hundred colonists coming from the remotest of towns in his country.

These colonists were a part of the secret land-grabbing plan King Janus Klievert was applying for some reason… All Hendrik knew was that the place he had grown to love as a boy was now to become the capital city of a brand new province! And better yet, HE would be governor! Things had worked out very well in comparison with his younger life as a poor farmer’s suffering son.

Hendrik was now approaching the place where he would plant the flag…He had been given the choice of where to found the city, and had decided on the meander in “the River”. He would need to find a name for that river, he thought… Seeing the crooked tree he knew he was almost there.

Turning and raising his hand before the 200 MachTungri behind him, a silence conquered the mumbling crowd. Hendrik turned again and walked silently further, carrying proudly the flag on a lance.

He approached the small hill – it wasn’t even a hill, more like a mound of earth – and suddenly remembered the first time he had climbed to this point. He had heard a sound. Being only ten years old, he had turned to see a pack of wolves running away in the distance beyond the river. Ever since that experience he had always paid special attention to all sound.

The wolves’ presence had introduced him to a world of unknown danger, and today he would raise the bar…push further the limit of mystery and peril. Holding the MachTungri flag high in one hand, the lance it was tied to suddenly felt extremely heavy – a warning of the responsibility being entrusted to him by more than a King: An even stronger people.


He thrust the lance into the soft soil with almost brutal yet gracious force. “I hereby proclaim this land as possession of the MachTungri! Here shall be built the Tosum [church/chapel] of MachTungri’s newest city, G’luidesbeek^1!!! God save Janus I!”
He stepped back from the lance now firmly implanted in the ground. The flag whipped symbolically in the suddenly stronger wind, and Hendrik could only admire the beauty of the flagpole on this fertile green field background.

The two hundred colonists suddenly began moving towards where Hendrik Rouwer stood, and as they began setting up their few possessions, a small hierarchy was already being set up in each sector of the mound. Children ran to the river to get water for their families, men went into the nearby forests to gather wood and search for any wild animals which might soon become dinner.

Hendrik met with his childhood friend Mark Jansens who was surveying the set-up and making sure the tents were being set up far enough to have a city-centre. “Ah, Hendrik! Splendid place, this! But why did you call it G’luidesbeek? It makes little sense…It is more quiet here than it could be anywhere back home.”

Hendrik smiled knowingly. “When I first came here, there was a pack of wolves over there…they were an omen of good…they taught me that one is never absolutely safe, and that one should always be on one’s guard.” Mark nodded, when out of the corner of his eye he spied movement. Tapping Hendrik on the shoulder, he whispered solemnly; “I think someone is watching us.”
***
Appendix:
MachTungriinZeeland.jpg

Mark Jansens, pointing North-West to something he spotted...

Gluidesbeekkaart.jpg


Woud = Woods
Noordzee = North Sea
Tungrum = Capital of the MachTungri
___________________________________________________________________
^1 G'luidesbeek derived from Geluidesbeek which means:
- (GB) "Rivulet of noise/sound" [Geluid = sound, beek = rivulet]
- (B/F) "Ruisseau du bruit" [Geluid = bruit, beek = ruisseau]

[AUTHORNOTE]
I tried to make it more visual (sorry that the text was that long, though) by drawing a map of the area in question. I included translations as footers so as not to interrupt the flow of the passage. Expect more of this in the future.

Also, when the English translation does not adequately describe the meaning, I shall include other languages (i.e. here French, because ruisseau I could not find in english :D). As a sidenote, I wish to add here (as it was difficult to do in the text, that the city and river are called "G'luidesbeek"...:)
[/AUTHORNOTE]
 
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Just seen this AAR. I don't think I have seen people use Fantasia before in them. However, I like the way this is written, and don't worry about it being unhistorical. I think most EU2 games end up that way anyway.

*Note* I have bought Crusader Kings, and learning to play it. Therefore, I won't be writing EU2 AAR's for a LONG time. I have heard that Crusader King's can carry on into EU2???
 

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Cool, I'm planning to buy Victoria!
Yeah I think many patches and stuff have been made to let CK go on to EUII and then EUII to Vicky... I'm hesitating on buying only Vicky or the entire pack (CK Vicky HOI)...
This is the first time I saw you here for ages, so welcome back :)

The last update's custom pic is now added...
 

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Some relevant quotes in the historian's post (the first update) may help to answer that question :)...[my italics]

[It is believed that] in the year 365 A.D. Rome falls, and some fifty years later Constantinople follows cue. ... The ensuing Dark Age quickly dampens the light for the whole of Europe and the rest of the world (now solitary and divided, having lost contact with the only real civilisation - Rome
circa 800 A.D. [the Mongols] level Rome and 850 they pillage Lugdunum – Paris

Lugdunum and Constantinople were the only remaining outposts of Roman culture. When they were invaded by the Mongols the last of Roman culture was extinguished.

N.B.

Please do not forget that this is based on a VERY different history and that 2005 (today) is not the same as in our world (hence the historian's lack of valuable information). Remember also that the historian said
The Americas remain (as they always were ) an empty land of scattered entities and ideals.
[This note on the americas describes that in the historian's time America is still pretty much empty and useless].

I felt obliged to create this alternative history to explain why by 1500 AD Europe still remained a barbarous and empty land (hence the historian's post, which was made to describe the global history).


I hope this answer your question, Fodoron, and it hopefully clears up what might have been badly expressed earlier :)

Nice to see you reading, btw...
Expect an update in the near future :D

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Native Encounter

Hendrik stared in the direction towards which Marc Jansens was pointing. In the distance some humanoid shapes appear, moving slowly out of the faraway forest. Looking back at Marc, he said “I think it’s time we paid those guys a visit before they get too annoyed with us…” Marc nodded, and sendt for his and Hendrik’s horse.

Mounted and galloping East-South-East from the hill, they approached the shallower crossing over G’luidesbeek. “Are you sure it is prudent to go, just the two of us?” Marc asked in worry. “If we arrive with troops they’ll think it’s an attack! No. We must be subtle.”

Now that they were slightly lower than the rest of the land, the people they were heading for were out of sight. “We must hurry if we are to calm them…Do not make any sudden movements, you understand?” Their horses now galloping rapidly up the other side of the river Marc stuttered out a reply, “S-Sure…Y-yes…got it…”

Finally reaching the top of the hill, they noticed they needed to go down another before rising up to meet the natives. A sigh from both, and they’re off. Marc suddenly wondered out loud again, “What if they show hostility?” A dismissive sigh was the only reply he had, and his nervousness remained.

Having quickly galloped through the dip in land, they went up the second hill [visible in drawing, update 3]. Hendrik was slightly ahead of Marc, and was already going over his introductory speech. Suddenly out of the tall grass leapt a man dressed in wolf and deer fur. Upon his head rested a wolf head and in his confusion Hendrik guessed that the man was a witch-doctor of some kind.

“Blijf weg!!!”
Obviously some strange version of the Lowland-speak…
“Ga, jij en je vrienden, GA! Terug naar de Duivel met jullie!”

Hendrik approached slightly to the little man crouched before him. A long staff gripped firmly in his wrinkled hands, he warned Hendrik’s horse not to go any further, and the horse – sensing this hostility – turned, bringing Hendrik closer to the witch-doctor.

With his best Northland Dutch he tried to calm down the agitated native: “We mean no harm…Is it possible that we could talk?” The native showed surprise at learning that the strange man knows his tongue. “We have nothing to fear from you!”.

Suddenly, behind his back rose around fifty foot-soldiers armed with clubs and arrows. Hendrik, suddenly apprehensive, slowly got down from his horse and showed his hands as a sign of peace. The small man before him had jerked when suddenly his could-be-enemy had jumped from his horse, but now the blade on the end of his staff could slice the stranger in two without difficulty.

“May we sit?” asked Hendrik as Mark got down from his horse. The small man nodded, then stood straight, towering above both MachTungri. He isn’t that small at all, is he? Hendrik speculated on the age of the witch-doctor. Before, he would have guessed nearing forty, but now he corrected himself to nearing thirty.

The native remained standing, staff at the ready. “I am Georg of the Neulanders! What do you seek settling upon our land without our consent?” Hendrik was taken aback by these sudden and pompous words. However, unaffected, “We are the MachTungri. We come from the South” Hendrik pointed approximately South. “We mean no harm entering your lands. Where is it that you live?”

The man, still standing up, straight, and proud, proclaimed, “I, leader of the Neuland, order you to leave immediately! You are trespassing by treading upon our land and founding your city on our hill!”
“Your hill??? There isn’t a soul on that hill, how could you ever say this land is yours?”
“Our ancestors built it by placing layer upon layer of dirt brought from our old city. We have been planning to found our city there next summer! You shan’t stop us!”
“Ahh…” Hendrik wondered whether… “This changes everything.”
“Didn’t you notice something strange about the shape of the land? How perfect it was? How HIGH it was? Most of the land around these parts is so low that hadn’t the Romans built dykes we’d be underwater!”
“Yes…yes… May I propose something?” Cautiously, the leader stared into Hendrik’s eyes. “How about you coming back with us to our city? We can persuade you from there…”
“What? So that you may slice my throat?” “Of course not! Take as many men with you as you wish…”
 

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Bad news folks...:(

I have decided to stop for a while, as inspiration I lack :p
Maybe some other day/week/month/year/decade/century/millenium???
my deepest thanx everyone who supported me :) (Ouw' Hertog Hendrik VII was er ook altijd bij, hé :D)

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