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IGN and PC Gamer are pretty joke review sites. Metacritic is where you need to be looking.

They do however need to start work on that first expansion right away to start plugging in the weak spots.

Are they a joke because they don't slavishly follow the herd in terms of review score?

I get that it was six years ago and some people in this thread were probably in middle school when it happened, but Civilization V at release had the same problem of anybody not giving the game a 8.5+ at release were written off as "joke reviews".

Have you read the PC Gamer review or only look at the score? I've read the review, and I see nothing in that review that isn't a valid criticism made by a person who literally has no ill-will to Paradox from a site that has slavishly followed development of the game and linked articles about the game's development on Facebook for months.

Months
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At the end of the day, Metacritic is also useless. Scores are useless. Lets all pretend we're part of a literate society and actually read reviews and form opinions instead of being "those guys" who only focus on score like Call of Duty fanboys.
 
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Civilization 5 had those ai flaws as well (much much worse actually in my opinion) but how did it get a score of 90?
2k games has enough pull with the games industry to threaten IGN's revenue by threatening to withdraw or draw down its advertising on their site.
 

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Don't give them anything, IGNoramuses deserve to become bankrupt. They are 100% shills, I remember their rating of Rome 2...
User reviews are worth much more anyways.
 
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Seems like a pretty fair review.

From what I've seen so far, Stellaris manages to shine in the early game but then seemingly DOES lose a lot of momentum and interesting things for you to do in the mid game. Diplomacy is even more simplistic than EU IV was at release and with the absence of trade and espionage or anything else interesting to do, I can definitely see how this game turns into a tiresome slog until an end game crisis occurs.

I have every hope and expectation that a couple of years from now, Stellaris is going to be one of THE Space 4X games in the canon, but it needs a lot of work. Hopefully, I'm proven wrong.
 
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These are the same morons who gave alien isolation a bad score because they were bad at the game.
 
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I think people are upset not because of the content of the review itself. There are no doubt some important points there that PI needs to take seriously. However, the final verdict is just unreasonably harsh and inconsistent with their other reviews of the game in similar state. When you give a mostly playable game 6/10 and a complete mess 9/10, it just speaks volume on the credibility of the reviewer.

I see people being angry about it being a 6, because a 6 is low (is it really?) not because of the reasons. And then they find other reviews written by different people for the same site, and point and their score for X game they liked, witch is utterly pointless.

If Stellaris is really a >8.5/10 game, I would be very surprised. I been a fan since EU2/HOI 2 and paradox have never really had a big launch in all the time that was not very bugged. They get fixed on the way yes, but a review is a here and now thing. No point should be gained by saying this will be fixed in sometime, maybe in a dlc.
 
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Quite disappointing how many have nothing to contribute but "that's a joke". Or worse.
There are some fair points made in that review. Criticism that we either know often to be true for Paradox games or that we can't judge yet, before we played Stellaris ourselves.
Constructive criticism is what leads to better products. Disregard achieves the opposite.
 
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The guy says he played it for 80 hours or something in several campaigns and I don't really see anything that strikes me as not understanding the game.

he never got a end-game crisis yet talks about the victory conditions. that strikes me as odd at the very least - i feel liek he just started a bunch of campaigns but never played a single one all the way through.
 
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For the stated record, IGN Italy gave it a 9.3. Even IGN's other offices are disagreeing with IGN :p
 
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Well, there must be a review for different kind of users, so i guess it's fine IGN covered the morons.
Actually the reviewer is really into strategy games, he is even on the three moves ahead podcast sometimes.
 
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I think he probably made good points, but it does seem like he was extremely harsh about the game.
Either way, even if he is right does that bother me? Of course not. Just look at how different CK2 & EU4 are now, then at launch. I absolutely fell in love with both those games at their launches, but if you compared that to now, you would think those base games are awful. That is how good Paradox are at expanding and improving their games. So I fully expect they will make Stellaris so much better in the coming months and years.
 
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I think he probably made good points, but it does seem like he was extremely harsh about the game.
Either way, even if he is right does that bother me? Of course not. Just look at how different CK2 & EU4 are now, then at launch. I absolutely fell in love with both those games at their launches, but if you compared that to now, you would think those base games are awful. That is how good Paradox are at expanding and improving their games. So I fully expect they will make Stellaris so much better in the coming months and years/
 

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While I completely disagree with his review, in which he contradicts himself, I definitely now know what I would like to see from future expansions:
1. Trade Expansion adding maybe some kind of trades system like in EUIV
2. Espionage & politics, making it a bit more complex like rivaling factions in CKII
 

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I'm at the point where I consider a low score from IGN to be a ringing endorsement for a game, and a high score makes me suspicious.

Most of the problems he mentions feel like he could be talking about most Paradox games, especially EU4. Paradox games have a tendency to stagnate in the middle. However, I still derive hundreds of hours of enjoyment out of them, which I can't say about most games.

It sounds like he was expecting a game more like CK2 than EU4+MOO, so I understand his disappointment. On the flip side, I don't think Paradox ever promised Stellaris would be CK2 in Space, so I think the reviewer's unfounded expectations let him down more than the game did.
 

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Passive AI (and slow expansion) matches what I've seen in streams and let's plays so far, and might be something that needs addressing in early patches.

I guess we'll see tonight

Meanwhile from DDRjake's space Ryukyu

He get dogpile by two AI when he declare someone really weak.

I think AI are just being Opportunist just like EU4 Hard AI do.
 
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Doesn't like GSGs. Spends 80 hours (allegedly) reviewing one. Surprise, surprise, ends up hating it and blaming it on self-inflicted error of failing to setup a difficulty matching expectation. 6.3.

And nothing was lost.
 
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User reviews are worth much more anyways.

I usually go to Metacritic. Stellaris now has a Metascore of 77 based on seven critics.

When we look at the User Reviews, we see, for example, a straight 10 by someone who wrote:

This game is not out yet but i just want to be the first review

So he gave a 10 to a game he did not play yet, but he is a fan of nevertheless (not to mention equally moronic people giving the game a 0). See, I may agree or disagree with Reviews from sites / magazines, but I will prefer them over user Reviews anyday.
 
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