"The idiot vassals"

[Ravenous.BE]

...would be a decent name for a book about the Faction system in its current state.

Don't get me wrong, I think it is a very good and nice feature. It just needs work.
Why on earth would a lowely count of county x in the middle of the Arabia, revolt against his King and protector, when he is also surrounded by muslim leaders that will Holy War as soon as he goes in rebellion?

Does anyone really hate his king so much, that he'd rather get stomped by enemies that take away his possessions then live under the king?

 

[The_Blind_One]

The king of norway keeps having to put down the independence wars of orkney despite just having put a yngling dynasty member on its throne... and despite orkneys inevitable fate to be gobbled by scotland if it ever achieved independence...that hasn't stopped ANY count or duke of orkney to go for independence simply because it is not dejure norway...

 

[Lord Finnish]

After 1.08 I can honestly say little negative about the faction system. The AI makes bad decisions of course, especially in the Independence faction, but otherwise the faction system has been a huge improvement over the previous model.

 

[NezzeOne]

The king of norway keeps having to put down the independence wars of orkney despite just having put a yngling dynasty member on its throne... and despite orkneys inevitable fate to be gobbled by scotland if it ever achieved independence...that hasn't stopped ANY count or duke of orkney to go for independence simply because it is not dejure norway...

If Orkney is de jure Scotland, I'm sure the Duke of Orkney would rather bend knee to a Scottish King (who he should, by law,) than some Norwegian half-way across the sea. So it makes sense

 

[unmerged(494787)]

I keep having my vassals (underneath another vassal) start wars to put my son on titles I just gave away. Wait, was this supposed to be a problem with Factions or the Claim system? I suppose both works. I think the problem is that the AI rarely considers the consequences of failure.

I had a duke in Hungary start a faction war to replace the person I put on the throne as Emperor (and thus, my direct vassal), when I had just conquered Hungary with an Invasion and graciously left him in power. The game wouldn't let me do anything about it, either. Fortunately, the new King was a dynasty member, and as such, all my landed dynasty members piled in to help. The new king promptly went on a revoking spree after he won.

 

[Agnitio Ex Mach]

If Orkney is de jure Scotland, I'm sure the Duke of Orkney would rather bend knee to a Scottish King (who he should, by law,) than some Norwegian half-way across the sea. So it makes sense

But he doesn't actually ask to be part of Scotland. It's independence "lol screw you we're doing this on our own" independence.

 

[guv311]

Yes this is quite frustrating indeed, the AI never accounts for the fact that while he hates your guts that there are other predators looming over the horizon waiting to pounce on your weak county/duchy/kingdom. The AI should be able to factor things like your surrounding neighbors and how strong they are compared to themselves and what not and if they have a CB on them to potentially spark a war within a war scenario. Nothing more frustrating than putting down a revolt of 2-3 dukes only to get DoW'd on by another Kingdom who has all their troops up. Plus I play on hard/very hard makes this even worse, the AI will always put up twice or even 3x the size of my army and to win I'd have to get mercs or if against muslims then the crusaders.

 

[Arizal]

Yes this is quite frustrating indeed, the AI never accounts for the fact that while he hates your guts that there are other predators looming over the horizon waiting to pounce on your weak county/duchy/kingdom. The AI should be able to factor things like your surrounding neighbors and how strong they are compared to themselves and what not and if they have a CB on them to potentially spark a war within a war scenario. Nothing more frustrating than putting down a revolt of 2-3 dukes only to get DoW'd on by another Kingdom who has all their troops up.

Exactly, the AI need to have a broader view of the world than just its current liege. The very friendly duke that helped the poor count to lower the crown authority could declare war to him right away while the king protected him before. It would thus make sense that whatever their personnal feelings be (except if he is a sentimental fool), the poor count should back his king.

 

[guv311]

Sadly, I think it will either take a long time for PI to make this "better". We'll have to put up with that one stupid vassal who tears apart the entire realm in a civil war and whatnot and after the war has exhausted the realm's finances and military prowess the bigger and badder kingdom/empire see's a chance to add your realm into his or that one stupid claimant who happens to have a strong liege decides its the perfect time to claim his spot.

 

[Dracko81]

Umm what?

I think the faction system has been hit with such a big nerf bat that it is broken.

Control all of Britannia, some of Sicily, Brittany and NW duchy of hispania. Highest revolt risk is 39% from lower CA, and I only have 2 vassals who have positive relations to me.

Needs work vassals should actually revolt, 100+ years and the only revolts I have had are where someone didn't want to be imprisoned.

 

[MrWeRD]

Do rebellions still have a cascade effect when someone rebels?

 

[Dracko81]

Do rebellions still have a cascade effect when someone rebels?

I honestly am still waiting for my first one, I might have to conquer France to get things moving.

 

[ziamatt]

If Orkney is de jure Scotland, I'm sure the Duke of Orkney would rather bend knee to a Scottish King (who he should, by law,) than some Norwegian half-way across the sea. So it makes sense

If he's a Scottish lord burning with nationalistic passion just dying to be reunited with the Scottish homeland? Absolutely it makes sense.
If he's also a Norwegian and of the reigning King of Norway's own dynasty desiring not to be reunited with Scotland but just to be on his own because screw Norway, even though he'll just be swallowed up by Scotland? That makes rather less sense.

 

[JonStryker]

The king of norway keeps having to put down the independence wars of orkney despite just having put a yngling dynasty member on its throne... and despite orkneys inevitable fate to be gobbled by scotland if it ever achieved independence...that hasn't stopped ANY count or duke of orkney to go for independence simply because it is not dejure norway...

Afaik Orkney IS de jure Scotland. Only that one province on the Scottish mainland that's part of Norway at gamestart isn't.

 

[Dracko81]

I thought Orkney was de jure Norway and they also held Caithness which is De jure Scotland in the duchy of Moray. Although they could have changed Orkney to Scotland and I didn't notice.

Also had my first Lower CA revolt in 1.08 triggered at 50% - as soon as it reached it 50%.

Although I needed to be 6 over demense, 6 extra duchies and tyranny of -120 before the faction even got enough members.

 

[Agnitio Ex Mach]

Do rebellions still have a cascade effect when someone rebels?

Yes, yes they do. The AI can still call fellow vassals, even if they weren't part of the plot.

 

[unmerged(462833)]

Why on earth would a lowely count of county x in the middle of the Arabia, revolt against his King and protector, when he is also surrounded by muslim leaders that will Holy War as soon as he goes in rebellion?

Look at real history of Crusader States - they were fighting each other in spite of the danger from the Muslims. In my opinion problem is rather different That vassal is rather stupborn and don't want to give up. With ability of assaulting this may end that he is loosing everything fast - same as his liege...

 

[Wallain]

Orkney is de jure Norway since it is part of the duchy that encompass the northern islands.

 

[victimizer]

revolt against his King and protector, when he is also surrounded by muslim leaders that will Holy War as soon as he goes in rebellion?

I think something like this actually happened.

 

[Malibu Stacey]

The king of norway keeps having to put down the independence wars of orkney despite just having put a yngling dynasty member on its throne... and despite orkneys inevitable fate to be gobbled by scotland if it ever achieved independence...that hasn't stopped ANY count or duke of orkney to go for independence simply because it is not dejure norway...

The Duchy of Orkney (comprising of the counties of Orkney, Shetland and Faroe) is within the de jure Kingdom of Norway. The county of Caithness however is within the de jure Kingdom of Scotland even though at the start of the game it is a vassal of the Duchy of Orkney.

I think the problem is that the AI rarely considers the consequences of failure.

Very much this. Actually I don't think it considers the consequences of it's actions at all which makes it ridiculously easy to exploit.

Do rebellions still have a cascade effect when someone rebels?

Yes. I just had a change of ruler & a 2 county duke started a war of succession to put one of my uncles on the throne. 3 other counties also joined in. After they offered peace I ended up with 4 counts and the uncle imprisoned although I had to imprison the 3 counts who raised their banners myself rather than it being terms of the peace.